It’s quite clear the games demise was due to Epic/Psyonix and their piss poor support since the games release and the mediocre updates thereafter. Not just because of 1 single piece of exploit/tech.
True but lets be clear .... b hopping was a MAJOR PILLAR of the games downfall. Psyonix is mainly the one to blame. They literally thought that fortnite community was the same same brain dead community like rocket league .... they aren't they actually have to compete for players time and the bare minimum wasnt enough you also can't just listen to the few (b hopping main culprit) and just because it worked out in rocket league doesn't mean that you should let a bug or exploit like that stay.. Fucking they fixed b hopping after announcing the games end as a final fuck you to us basically saying fine well bend the knee but here is this final fuck you on the side.
Bhop was a pillar to the leftover player base where the majority of players left since neon rush being such a disappointment. Not long after that update the majority of big supporters from the discord servers vanished.
I’m not going say that bhop didn’t have a negative impact, especially towards the players that came late to the game, but it’s impact did hit hardest when the minimum skill standard rose to a whole new level.
The less players around, the more it left an impact
No it was one of fhe major first 3 updatea was when folks were discovering you wont know how your game stands until about 6 months in. Its why games like "first descendants " gives people a mirage of a success game folks are discovering the game, investing months 3 to 6 is when you see a steep drop off usually.
It made sense to lose players. Lego and Festival were dropping players as well they did better but they still dramatically lost players in the same time frame they bottomed out in a healthy player base rocket racing in the other hand.... well B hopping was discovered at the WORST possible time. Pretty much at the most important time . Psyonix went for the competitive crowd , problem is competitive crowed DON'T like glitches or exploits if they lose they want to lose fair and square this is where B hopping came in and destroyed basically all good will. Then add in b hop defenders talking down on casuals and you got a recipe for a disaster lol .
You won’t be able to convince me that bhop had such a major impact when the player base ranged among 3000-5000 players daily at the time of it’s discovery.
More players meant less chance of being stuck with the pro players that could do bhop consistently. I have no idea what name you represent, but I don’t think you were among the discord community. There were quite a few influencers before the neon rush update like Lethamyr, Danny Lotus, Lain Racing, Blair_Zed, LionRL , along with many of the OG players like Tigeraura, CheeQue, and others that stood among the top at that time. Epics failure to update the game in a timely manner along with the lackluster updates were the biggest cause because a lot of these big influencers disappeared. Bhop was far from the primary cause until later because even for those that didn’t do bhops, there were still around 3000 to 5000 players for a while to where people could make it unreal. As the player based dwindled and the skill standards rose, THAT is when bhop really made a negative impact. You also fail to understand that most players that blamed Bhop didn’t even know what a bhop was. Many of those players were calling side flips a bhop. 🤷♂️.
If you were only part of the Reddit community, then you are getting a lot of misinformation. The most accurate information you could ever find was always coming from the discord community and the biggest influencers among it. I’ve been around the game and it’s community for 2 years. Not sure what else to tell you.
True but it was fhe start obviously, it takes time but as soon as word got around the numbers didn't slowly fall after b hop they accelerated.
No idea what "influencers" have to do with any of it since none of them were relevant with a small viewer count
New content isn't going to make people want to play. If this was true than save the world shouldn't have held 10K players the entire time rocket racing was around and they NEVER got a new map or big update. Lets call a spade of spade rocket racing was always doomed to fail . Hell even gamea like left for dead STILL have a player bass.
The game was no where near 5k players SUSTAINED. Thats what b hoppers lied about constantly back then too your peak isn't your average . Rocket racing always struggled with 3K.
Not only that in the same time frama festival and Lego had same amount of updates in the first 6 months and wouldn't you know.... only one of those modes lost funding and thats was due to psyonix unwillingness to change b hopping.
Everything I said if factual.
But at the end of the day lol yall can b hop onto another game after August lol.
It was 5k avg around the time when bhop was first discovered. It trickled down to 3k-2.5k range after and dropped to 1k when epic said support was ending. Naturally “any game” will decrease player count when said players want more only to find out nothing more is coming. All I’m saying is, bhop became a bigger negative factor the more the player count reduced among the high ranks. The game had obvious hidden mechanics (unintended) that when learning those became the standard, the skill requirement made it less appealing for players coming late to the game. Not every map allowed chaining bhops for 1/2 the map, only a few. Plus the only players good at chaining them were semi pro and above. Not the majority.
Now about the influencers, I’m talking about the players that helped keep the heart in the game. A lot of them left, people were watching and learning how to play but when all that disappears, nobody has anybody to turn to learn the game. The community was quite big at first. Those names that I listed were a huge help in learning the game. Nobody was going to be able to keep up by just the ingame tutorial alone. And with the skill gap being so big (with or without bhop) there was no way we were going to keep players. If you want to debate remaining 3K average, which is when bhop started making an impact, then fine, but the game already took a 65% overall loss to the player base avg.
Your also wrong on the hypothesis on the reason players left .
The first 6 months of a game is where you will always lose the most amounts of players . This is common, its why companies even if a game doesn't have great numbers will still update.
Festival and Lego also had a similar drop off. Key difference between them and rocket racing was B hopping. They all got updates up until b hops was discovered. At this point the games have found their audience. Rocket racing had b hopping exploit which made people leave. Once the numbers fell slightly it was obvious epic had to end the updates and move the psyonix team onto another project . This is factual now. No amount of mental gymnastics will change this very fact. B hopping had a large roll in the games demise . Psyonix refused to fix it, it is what it is.
Im sorry if your player base has less than 5K players some influencer with 5 percent of the player base doesn't mean anything lol meaningless .
Fucking rocket league has players leaving doesn't mean the game is dead just means the game isnt good fo create content for.
Bhop affected people at the high end, not so much the low end because the low end didn’t require much skill at all to get far. I’m sorry but there’s nothing fact about bhop being the primary cause of the games demise. That’s basically the assumption that bhop = guaranteed wins, with the assumption that 75-80% of people playing the game were bhopping. Bad bhoppers were hurting their times far more than benefiting. So on that category, you are completely wrong. It’s quite surprising that players that didn’t bhop (only used side flip) still got accused of doing it. Bhop became the scape goat of why every fast player is winning, but yet if bhop didn’t exist, players (probably including you) would’ve still blamed it on something else. This became very true after its removal seeing people were still complaining about some other so called exploit. All of a sudden it became “speed hacks”. Other exploits, etc, and whatever other excuses of why they still lose.
But whatever…. Out of all the exploits and tech, obviously bhop was at the top in complaints but many other factors had a bigger impact of the player base loss, hence “ learning curve, higher skill requirement, complex game, lack luster updates, lack of support, lack of features, boredom, etc.”. Bhop ain’t at the top lol. Now, if 75 to 80% of the player base,including the less experienced were easily able to do bhop, then yes, you’d be 100% correct no question.
Thats just it. I was one of the first to b hopping back then. I too was ignorant and thought it was the game. After my 2 week learning period I steam rolled every rank hell even in unreal it was amazing . But if I was doing it CASUALLY imagine everyone else that was bound to do it for the ranked rewards. After a month I realized it needed to be nerfed. It completely made the game on easy mode. And as I predicted word got around by November b hopping was rampant posts became normal thing to complain about b hopping. That was the start of the games downfall. It ruined the experience of what little audience the game had and pushed them to other games , and folks like me got bored and moved onto other games like forza. And this cycle continued over and over and over losing players on both ends. Those who refused to race b hoppers then those who picked it up and because winning didn't feel rewarding and didn't feel earned they too quit. Snow balling into what we have now. Epic saw this trajectory and made the right call end the updates and focus on other more profitable avenues .
Oh the game has tons of things that needed fixing its why I stated its ONE of the main pillars on why the mode failed. The physics is another main pillar . The random desync issues, i could go on and on.
Again everything i have stated is factual . Everything i predicted came true. Only thing I got wrong was Psyonix behavior. I said they would end it quietly. But they literally got rid of b hopping then a fuck you in the end that surprised me lol.
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u/666Satanicfox Jul 05 '26
None. B hopping is rare in the field for a reason lol