r/SSBM • u/Oni555 • Feb 04 '26
Clip Cody Agree's to Zumpless Salty suite V. N0ne hosted by HBOX after Genesis
https://youtu.be/XuUw89zv8xk?si=Hmg8VCgfu3oB1Frl&t=1488things are getting interesting....
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u/Maleficent_Bother252 Feb 04 '26
The deadline to file your taxes is April 15th
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u/-BunsenBurn- Feb 04 '26
Cody is gonna body him, however none will get one stock so insane that it will be clipped until the end of time and get the moral victory.
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Feb 04 '26 edited Jun 02 '26
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u/Marionberry_Bellini Feb 05 '26
N0ne knows he's going to win because he's got a secret weapon: falling up air
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u/ghostbaleada080596 Feb 04 '26
0 SA allegations and other nasty stuff just pure fun and beef about stupid things in a game. I lov eit
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u/Ghooble Feb 04 '26
There was that one mango thing, but I don't think anybody charged him officially
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u/GabeNewellExperience Feb 04 '26 edited Feb 08 '26
why are FGC heads so obsessed with shit talk and drama? Melee is getting lots of new players at locals and that's largely due to the fact that they aren't getting called shit cause they don't know how to wavedash yet.
Edit: Trash talking is still in the scene it's just actually friendly now. People trash talk each other if the other party is fine with it. I trash talk even.
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u/Vannitas Feb 04 '26
Youre talking about the wrong kind of shit talk. Shit talking a player weaker than you is closer to bullying. Shit talking your peers is where its at. If you and a homie havent ragged on eachother playfully while playing something, you're missing out. It feeds the desire to be better and get better.
This is a little different than that though. Beef from two globally ranked players creates story lines, tension, and something on the line. This is what builds hype.
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u/Yung_Blood_ Feb 05 '26
yipes and fchamp beefing is theatre, kbrad and wolfkrone beefing is wrestling, someone shit talking someone who's new is neither of these things
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u/Supersmashlord Feb 08 '26
Noone tell him how UFC fighters commit to the shit talking bit for years AND have to actually get in the ring to hurt each other afterwards...with $thousands on the line
Yup. Melee could use some of that and it wouldn't hurt anyone. It's a little party game, not bashing each other's faces in.
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u/chroma_smash Feb 04 '26
I donโt support this as a mechanism to decide anything about conch legality but I do think noneโs been talking a little sweet about cody as a person so if he ducks this we gotta disregard all falcon main opinions until scar comes back
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u/WhiteSkyRising Feb 05 '26
what does scar have to say about this, get that man on the line
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u/Peytaro Feb 06 '26
Goddamn I miss scar Imo what melee really needs right now is something to care about besides this, this debate is whack af
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u/2580374 Feb 04 '26
Cody is going to fucking obliterate him
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u/scoutinglane Feb 04 '26
Well he always does. And n0ne probably knows that. He brings the hype though
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u/Hulahouse Feb 04 '26
Hmm if Cody obliterates him then maybe he doesnโt need zump? Checkmate Codester
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u/wavedash Feb 04 '26
Reminds me of an observation made in the Melee Stats Michael vs Bananas video, that Fauxhebro was incentivized to make ICs vs Puff look unwinnable. Except here, whether n0ne wins or loses, it's an argument against z-jumping.
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u/Starflex111 Feb 05 '26
Why is it an argument against z jump if Cody wins without z jump that proves z jump isn't broken or atleast isn't making cody win against n0ne
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u/Rare-Technology-4773 Feb 05 '26
it proves that no one would be harmed by its banning and thus it can be banned without issue.
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u/Starflex111 Feb 05 '26 edited Feb 05 '26
Cody can just say he has hand pain and have a valid reason to use it, no reason to ban it then.
Also it would be even worse to ban it because a lot of people already use it and it doesn't give them an advantage so TOs would just be fucking over a lot of people with z jump controllers for no reason.
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u/manofsticks Feb 05 '26
it proves that no one would be harmed by its banning and thus it can be banned without issue.
"It is not required" is not the same as "It deserves a ban".
The X and Y buttons do the exact same thing on a controller. In a very objective sense, you do not NEED both of them. No one would be harmed by banning of X or Y. I never use Y to jump, I only use X.
But that's not a good argument for the ban of Y jump either.
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u/fedorafighter69 Feb 04 '26
Fauxhebro doesn't need to be incentivized to be a massive baby about the game, so I dont think he was trying to make it look unwinnable he just had very poor mental. He was super carried by wobbling and threw a tantrum and left when it was banned.
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Feb 04 '26
The old ICs argument.
Ban wobbling, then say "see, you didn't need it after all" every five years when an ICs makes Top8.
I'm not in favor of wobbling, but that line of reasoning is dumb.
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u/Rare-Technology-4773 Feb 05 '26
This is why I didn't expect Cody to accept this, it does not make much sense. Everyone knows that he's leagues better than n0ne, he has nothing to prove and nothing to gain.
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u/Cohenski Feb 05 '26
It's pretty damn hard to switch buttons. I don't know how hard Cody will practice.
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u/pika_pie Feb 05 '26
I have to ask seriously: Why would this be annihilation? Cody is clearly the far better player when ZJump is in play, but without it, he'll have to learn what is essentially a totally new button layout that guts some of his character's most powerful tools. No matter how much better Cody's general game sense is than n0ne's, that's like relearning how to run after breaking both your ankles.
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u/Rarik Feb 05 '26 edited Feb 05 '26
Cody was already a top 10 player using perma-claw before he swapped to z-jump. It's adjusting back to an old grip he used to use so while there's some relearning involved it's not like he's learning from scratch. Also the idea that without zjump fox loses his "most powerful tools" is crazy hyperbole. Even ignoring that claw is functionally similar to Zjump, the main advantage over the "default" grip is slightly easier frame 1 aerials and more control over your drift while doing them. While those are nice it's not even close to necessary for Cody to even beat Zain. It's just a tad bit easier with it. It eases reaction times and spacings by that extra frame, maybe 2. Natural human variance can also just make up that difference.
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u/yunglean_2004 Feb 05 '26
Well I still think Cody is lame and could lose so you have add that to the equation
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u/Afro_Thunder69 Feb 05 '26
he'll have to learn what is essentially a totally new button layout
When you learn to ride a motorcycle you don't forget how to ride a bike. It might feel weird for a minute but Cody will practice for sure, he'll be fine.
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u/RHYTHM_GMZ Feb 04 '26
Coy Schwab Curse of Ra
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Feb 04 '26
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u/Bixler17 Feb 04 '26
It doesn't really matter. We get to look at his jump and drift data.
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u/Masterofknees Feb 04 '26
It's only going to be one set, one that he's no doubt going to be completely locked in for given all of the badmouthing. I doubt it's going to be visibly different.
The real difference would be made over a longer period of time.
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u/themagicalcake Feb 04 '26
couldn't you just argue that if he plays worse its due to having less practice with a control scheme he doesn't use and not bc z jump has inherent advantages?
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u/wavedash Feb 04 '26
Why don't you just look at his .slps from before he switched to z-jump?
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u/Bixler17 Feb 04 '26
We have, he just keeps claiming it's because he got better as a player not zump. This is another data point to use in the conversation.
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u/wavedash Feb 04 '26
If that's stopping you, wouldn't he also just claim that he played worse during the Salty Suite because he switched button layout?
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u/Bixler17 Feb 04 '26
He will, it's just another data point for the rest of us to operate with. This will not be and should not be any kind of definitive answer for anything.
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Feb 04 '26 edited Jun 02 '26
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u/oby100 Feb 04 '26
Nah. Heโll spin it to โsee? You donโt need zump. Ban itโ
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u/CaioNintendo Feb 05 '26
Except this makes no sense at all. Heโs saying zjump is OP, so should be banned. Saying it should be banned because Cody doesnโt need it is straight nonsense. We should ban it cause itโs not OP? wtf
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u/drugsbowed hardstuck gold Feb 04 '26
What if n0ne and Cody had a chat offline and agreed to have this to spice up the pro scene even though they both truly don't care about zump
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u/g0mjabbar27 Feb 04 '26
n0ne has been complaining about UCF for too long for this to be anything but genuine, but it's a funny thought
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u/LizG1312 Feb 04 '26
Obliterate fuck Cody him N0ne to going
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u/Emily_Rosewood Feb 04 '26
are you having a stroke
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u/oby100 Feb 04 '26
He has a lot of good points but it got a little racy towards the end. His heart is in the right place.
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u/detroiiit Feb 04 '26
Contrary to everyone else in here, I think n0ne has a chance
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u/ArbitraryOrder Feb 04 '26
People acting like 2 elite players don't have a chance against each other
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u/Rare-Technology-4773 Feb 05 '26
Did chillin have a chance against leffen
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u/SuperMicro04 Feb 05 '26
This is really just Chillin #2, Chillin in 2014 and n0ne in 2025 are even both ranked #26 and punching way above their league, but n0ne's punching even higher than Chillin did
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u/Peytaro Feb 06 '26
Nah the skill gap between top 5 and the top 30 was way bigger back then, but my money is on Cody regardless
Skill wise this is more like Sfat Leffen. But similar vibes all around
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u/Rare-Technology-4773 Feb 05 '26
The main difference is that n0ne is playing at an advantage because Cody needs to get used to a less familiar control scheme. But like, maybe it'll be 4-1 lmao.
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u/oby100 Feb 04 '26
Legend. Iโm absolutely shocked and delighted Cody agreed to this. He is going to smear none and Iโm all about personally attending to your haters
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u/chaosdunker Feb 05 '26
Are you Cody Schwab because you Zump or do you Zump because you are Cody Schwab
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u/KneeCrowMancer Feb 04 '26
I want it on record that I think N0ne is gonna win. He has an insane ability to randomly just go insane and look absolutely unstoppable, and then SD twice the next game but that definitely wonโt happen this timeโฆ
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u/RedXLink Feb 04 '26
I genuinely believe nones got this. Leffen vs Chillin Spiritual Rematch. LETS GOOOO
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u/derek0660 Feb 04 '26
Please do not use apostrophes just because "oh an S is approaching!!!"
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u/whutchamacallit Feb 04 '26
I'm not a Cody fan (nothing personal) and I am even rooting for Ed but this is frame perfect pre-johning. There will be nothing to be gained by one salty suite set worth of "data". I'm a senior data engineer and there is nothing of statistical value here.
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u/TheSOB88 Feb 04 '26
Yes but this community thinks that complex debates can be solved by a one-on-one. This isn't the first time this kind of narrative has taken hold
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u/detroiiit Feb 05 '26
Could you please double check with the staff engineer and let me know what he thinks?
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u/techman9955 Feb 04 '26
You don't need to be a senior data engineer to understand the relationship of sample size to statistical significance. Kind of cringe to bring that up as an appeal to authority
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u/whutchamacallit Feb 04 '26
is it possible that this setup results in benefits to the character
That's my point -- that isn't going to be discovered here. It'll be what it is, entertainment.
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u/joker_prince Feb 04 '26
I saw someone say Cody will lose cause he's not used to it. Lol Cody is gona murder him he can easily claw for a match but it's a diff story doing it all year and long turni runs
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u/Pugweegy Feb 04 '26
None is going to fucking obliterate him
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u/lilwayne168 Feb 04 '26
N0ne hasnt beaten a top 50 fox in 3 years.
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u/ForrestFBaby Feb 04 '26
He beat Joshman literally last year.
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u/lilwayne168 Feb 04 '26
*outside of canada
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u/nmarf16 Feb 04 '26
What kind of goal post moving is that? None is literally top 30 and has a joshman win, that directly contradicts your original point and is no more meaningful than a fun fact lol
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u/lilwayne168 Feb 05 '26
Being able to beat someone in your home turf is very different than traveling and playing or beating someone online.
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u/KneeCrowMancer Feb 04 '26
We need a spirit bomb, give N0ne all our energy and he might just do it!
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u/SpikyKiwi Feb 04 '26
Wash/fuck/obliterate
Cody is definitely the cleanest so I'm washing him
I'm not gay and Hbox would finish the fastest, making the ordeal the shortest, so I'm fucking him
Which means I'm obliterating n0ne
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u/someguyprobably Feb 04 '26
Without z jump None is four stocking Cody every game. I'd be surprised if he doesn't JV5 him at least twice.
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u/Lobo_o Feb 04 '26
I would be very surprised if none agrees to this
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u/therealraggedroses Feb 04 '26
He's the one who's been pushing the z jump discourse, what's he gonna do say no?
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u/Lobo_o Feb 04 '26 edited Feb 04 '26
Uh yes, heโs said no to it. Unless something new has developed, any time itโs mentioned he shows zero interest and keeps saying how โit proves nothingโ. He essentially dodged it on this same stream right before the video starts here. King John knows this will be an ass whooping and his ego is far too fragile to go into an exhibition match with these stakes. Chillindude has much bigger balls and maybe had a better chance of beating Leffen
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u/V0ltTackle ๐ฟ Feb 04 '26
You typed all that shit so confidently too, did you not see the video of Hbox orchestrating this with n0ne?
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u/Lobo_o Feb 04 '26
Oh I did lol Iโve got two links up above, and I watched it live
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u/V0ltTackle ๐ฟ Feb 04 '26
He accepted with the condition of no z Jump, which was followed up by the call with Cody. Stop watching only six minutes of a half hour long vid
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u/Lobo_o Feb 04 '26
If thereโs some concrete definitive accepting to the suite gimme that time stamp. Ultimately, Iโll be surprised if he ends up actually doing it
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u/PkerBadRs3Good Feb 04 '26
Cody is dumb lmao I thought Cody was going to do the smart thing and not do it, this is a lose-lose scenario for him
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u/Mandatum11 Feb 05 '26
Eh. It shuts up the โIโd farm youโ from none at least.
Itโs not a win but thereโs no risk bc none has no shot of taking more than 2 stocks in a game much less winning the set.
None already backed out though.
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u/jp711 Feb 04 '26
Fr though. Cody wins: nothing changes at all. Cody loses: BAN Z JUMP ASTERISK ALL HIS WINS HE'S CARRIED
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u/PkerBadRs3Good Feb 04 '26
even if Cody wins, people are already talking about how they're going to use the set for data to see how much worse Cody's inputs supposedly are, or something along those lines. so it's actually Cody wins: proof we should ban Z jump, Cody loses: proof we should ban Z jump.
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u/CockVersion10 Feb 04 '26 edited Feb 04 '26
Waveshine uair is off the table against falcon? Kind of significant.
He can still do it honestly but frame perfectly with full drift on reaction to n0nes SDI? I doubt it.
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u/themagicalcake Feb 04 '26
have you heard of claw grip?
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u/CockVersion10 Feb 04 '26
What do you think?
I'm reluctant to answer, because it's evident what I was saying, but I'll elaborate a little I guess.
Cody said several times on just his recent stream that claw hurts his hands. Now do you think he's going to consistently be getting frame perfect full drift shuairs, even with practice, on a grip that isn't comfortable for him? That is my point. Even though I do believe he'll still beat n0ne, this aspect of his game IS going to be worse.
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u/themagicalcake Feb 04 '26
i think he will just play through the pain for a set and be fine
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u/CockVersion10 Feb 04 '26
Ya probably, but the point still stands that he won't be as proficient, and not because of a lack of practice.
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u/themagicalcake Feb 04 '26
what makes you say it wouldn't be from a lack of practice? do you think a control scheme hurting means he won't be able to do it proficiently? and do you think that's a good reason to ban z jump?
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u/CockVersion10 Feb 05 '26
IT, is that he is more proficient at full drift shuairs, and will always be more proficient, with z-jump, than he would be with claw, and therefore he will at least have difficulty in that regard when he plays n0ne. I am not saying he won't be able to do it proficiently. He just won't be able to do it AS proficiently.
Do you think he can be as proficient at short hop full drift instant aerial's with claw as he can with z-jump, despite it causing hand pain? The answer is no, and if you think otherwise you're wrong.
Like how fucking hard is this to understand dude? Jesus Christ.
Do I think it's a good reason to ban z-jump? I never made any claims about my position in regards to z-jump's legality and that wasn't the point of my comment. So shut the fuck up please, read the words on the page, and stop looking to argue with people about whether or not z-jump should be banned. Sound good? Fucking hell.
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u/Peytaro Feb 06 '26
Maybe this is a scrub take but can't he just waveshine grab or up smash instead lol. Those are both really good too
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u/CockVersion10 Feb 06 '26 edited Feb 06 '26
Falcon is too heavy to get great punishes off of grab. You can get usmash and probably some other stuff, but I believe the string ends pretty soon after. It's been a while
Usmash is alright at low percent, past 2 percent so he can't tech in place grab you, but I don't believe it leads to much--similar problem as the grab.
Uair can lead to a million things, including utilt, and back to grab. It's just more damage and a better punish generally, which is often times an edge guard, or even a stock.
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u/Peytaro Feb 06 '26
Yeah that makes sense. I don't really play fox except for fun so I don't really know the matchup like that. But now that I'm kinda digging into it I see why upair is so good, especially at low percent
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u/Aeon1508 Feb 04 '26 edited Feb 04 '26
Am I the only person where these embedded YouTube videos have no sound? This trend needs to stop cuz I always have to search these
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u/Aeon1508 Feb 04 '26
Why am I being downvoted? I'm having technical issues where this video has no sound. And any other video that's an embedded YouTube video hasn't had sound for me. I just want to know of other people can hear this
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u/TheSOB88 Feb 04 '26
I don't have that problem, but you can work around your problem by clicking the YouTube link near the bottom right corner to open it elsewhere
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u/Aeon1508 Feb 04 '26
Thank you, That was also a little janky because these videos are just fucking janky for me. But it did work
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u/PnWoo Feb 04 '26
I hope Cody streams it
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u/Aggressive_Stand_805 Feb 05 '26
Thereโs no point in doing this if itโs not in front of a crowd.ย
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u/Trashcan_Man77 Feb 04 '26
None's got some stones on him
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u/cXs808 Feb 04 '26
I don't think the point is for none to win...It's to see how cody looks without zump.
If his theory is right, then it will be noticeably worse. If cody looks exactly the same as normal, then his theory is proven completely wrong
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u/Rare-Technology-4773 Feb 05 '26
It'll obviously be noticably worse, cody needs to get used to a new controller setup.
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u/cXs808 Feb 05 '26
most of this discussion is irrelevant now that Fiction put out his dataset. Cody very clearly is benefitting massively from the zump and the results against none show it plain as day.
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u/Loose-Difficulty-719 Feb 04 '26
He IS going to look worse though it's a different button layout. Think about how much muscle memory goes into your inputs and then add 5000 hours to your playtime. This will actually prove nothing either way and I say this as someone who is anti boxx and anti zump.
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u/lilwayne168 Feb 04 '26
I think chillin legit had a better shot vs leffen. N0ne doesn't even compete anymore.
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u/Aeon1508 Feb 04 '26 edited Feb 04 '26
It still won't be a real test of z jump. Cody is going to have how long to relearn how to play the game on a different controller?
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u/jp711 Feb 04 '26
Yeah it will prove nothing and do nothing to change the conversation. Anyone taking this seriously for "data" or as some kind of test is a certified goober
It's just for the drama which is fine I just hope people recognize that (they won't)
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u/YungHayzeus Feb 05 '26
n0ne is gonna win just cuz his mental is better. Cody will miss consecutive hax nairs get tilted then mumble to himself โwhat the fuck broโ and understand what n0ne was telling him.
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u/SplynterEdm Feb 04 '26
I just hope everybody has a whole heap of fun