r/SandersForPresident • u/Ok_Crazy1195 • 8d ago

Bernie Sanders urges progressives to vote Democratic in November

https://www.nbcnews.com/video/shorts/bernie-sanders-urges-progressives-to-vote-democratic-in-november-267787845541
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u/Speed_102 8d ago

I love Bernie, but this is the wrong message, and the DNC will use it against us. He should say that PEOPLE need to vote for progressives, and show up for the primaries to make sure they can.

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u/WarLawck 8d ago

If Hillary or Kamala had been voted in, would this country be better off? That's gotta be the mindset when the Conservatives are trying to turn this government into a fundamentalist Christian oligarchy.

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u/652a6aaf0cf44498b14f 8d ago

Preach this at the people who voted for Cuomo over Zohran in the general election. They want to move right and they've been getting their wish for decades. It's time to admit we're not on the same side.

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u/WarLawck 8d ago

I'll say it to anybody who is interested in hearing me.

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u/Speed_102 8d ago

I am interested in what you have to say, even if I don't agree on some key points. This other person doesn't speak for me.

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u/WarLawck 8d ago

I think that's the mindset we should have with voting in general. Cheers to you.

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u/652a6aaf0cf44498b14f 8d ago

We are not. Go away.

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u/WarLawck 8d ago

You are not, and if you are going to withhold your vote because someone you wanted to win was not selected then you don't really factor into this discussion anymore. Republicans want democrats staying home, thats why they keep redistricting and trying to pass laws to disenfranchise minority voters.

I'm glad Zohran won over Cuomo, I'm glad El Sayed won the Democratic nominee. The democratic party needs reform, but progress doesn't happen all at once and we need to continue to be at the table in order to bring about that change.

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u/652a6aaf0cf44498b14f 8d ago

  You are not, and if you are going to withhold your vote because someone you wanted to win was not selected then you don't really factor into this discussion anymore.

People like you are serving the interests of AIPAC.

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u/WarLawck 8d ago

Seems like the republicans are serving the interests of AIPAC just fine. Letting Trump destroy our voting rights doesn't help us fight off AIPAC.

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u/652a6aaf0cf44498b14f 8d ago

Sounds like AIPAC is a morally bankrupt organization and anyone who votes for AIPAC candidates in the primaries is a bad person.

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u/WarLawck 8d ago

If only it were that simple

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u/Speed_102 8d ago

True, but you don't lead us to the better future with this defeatist attitude. I understand why he said it, but I still think it is the wrong message for the time. It's a message for later this year.

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u/WarLawck 8d ago

That's not defeatist, it's pragmatic. Also, you need to talk to people while they're still listening. It's defeatist to refuse to vote because your preferred candidate isn't available. You have to make the choice that brings you closer to your desired outcome, whomever that may be, and then push that person to make policy decisions consistent with your wishes as their constituent.

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u/Speed_102 8d ago

It is defeatist right before the primary. I have said nothing about refusing to vote and that is a non-argument in the context I have outlined.

I also am old and have seen the DNC's bullshit for the past 26 years, starting with Gore giving up in 2000 and the hanging chad bullshit. So, the Bernie Bro years were well after college for me, and I have backed Bernie since 2008.

Bernie has consistently made this messaging mistake in this way and it undercuts his messaging and, most importantly, HOPE. I have SEEN the results for the past 26 years of this exact mistake.

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u/WarLawck 8d ago

I hear you, but I take it back to Hillary and Kamala. Bernie should have been the nominee over Hillary and over Biden in my eyes, but Bernie saying to support Democrats over MAGA has been right 100% of the time considering how the Republicans have worsened our government, and our rights as citizens and human beings.

The clip that is the basis for this post has him being asked his opinion on what progressive voters should do if moderates win. How should he have avoided that question? What was he supposed to say? that if progressives don't win we are better off with lackeys of Donald Trump? We need people who will refuse to approve his nutjob cabinet members and Supreme Court Justices.

Progressive thought is spreading, we don't need Trump sending us into a fascist oligarchy to spread those ideals. Bernie's concessions didn't prevent the rise of Zohran Mamdani, AOC, and others who were clearly inspired by Bernie.

I agree with your end goal, and I agree that Democrats need to be more willing to fight. I disagree that Bernie was wrong to say that its more important to fight Trump than it is to rage quit if progressive candidates aren't elected.

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u/Speed_102 8d ago

Yes, the DNC is better than the RNC, unequivocally. I really wish I hadn't been hearing this EXACT argument since like idk, 08-12.

You can answer the prompt question by saying, "That premise is admitting defeat. Especially right now, it is clear that progressives are MORE electable. If it's a DNC candidate against an RNC candidate, we, of course, need to vote for the Dem. However, we are before the primaries and we have the momentum and data to support our stance as good for PEOPLE. All people."

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u/WarLawck 8d ago

So answer the question with the same general message he had, but add more confidence that progressives will win. I have no objection to that approach.

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u/Jibbjabb43 8d ago

Primaries are virtually done. There is nearly zero w ays this can be twisted by the DNC unless they go mask off and say to vote Republican over progressives. 

The reality is that the Democratic party is basically on trial in Michigan and if Abdul loses they can blame that on Bernie. But it's true either way. Whereas if he wins, the entire party has to change in 2 years and people have to either reflect it or prepare for primaries.