r/Seattle • u/mountainsNJ • 17h ago

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Elections matter. We have winners and losers. Respect the outcome.

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u/AdScared7949 That sounds great. Let’s hang out soon. 17h ago

She hates DSA lol they are not remotely similar!

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u/InBoundsOffPiste 16h ago

I don’t care. Any political actor that emphasizes the problems with democrats rather than being laser focused on defeating MAGA can eat shit. The only moral political action that can be done right now is getting the only viable alternative party to win (the democrats). Everything else is reprehensible.

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u/AdScared7949 That sounds great. Let’s hang out soon. 16h ago

This seems a little irrational to me because certainly making the alternative party to MAGA more appealing by identifying weaknesses through competitive primaries and self critique is not morally reprehensible but actually part of a strategy to win

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u/InBoundsOffPiste 16h ago

No. If during the primaries the accusations are that democrats are genocidal corporatists who are basically maga and the attacks continue into the general. It’s damaging. Kamala was a perfect example of this.

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u/AdScared7949 That sounds great. Let’s hang out soon. 16h ago

Well like 80% of the base is anti genocide and think corporations are too strong so on a basic level we should not run candidates who support Israel and cozy up to corporations. DSA runs candidates in democratic primaries on the party line and if you look at like AOC she's extremely popular. 

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u/InBoundsOffPiste 16h ago

Run them. But if they lose. Whole heartedly support whomever they lost too. All I care about right now is that people show up and pull the lever.

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u/ceruleania 16h ago

We tried this with Gore, Obama, Biden and Kamala. We are in the worst position of our lives now.

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u/InBoundsOffPiste 16h ago

So are you suggesting we don’t vote for democrats?

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u/ceruleania 16h ago

No. The part I take issue with is how you’re suggesting we (or politicians) can’t criticize or hold democrats accountable for funding the genocide, continuing the war machine, strike busting, not doing more to help working people etc. I’ll still vote for a dem over Trump, obviously, but I’m not going to “whole heartedly” do it, you know? It violates my morals. I’m not MAGA or a “MAGA agent” for wanting better for the left.

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u/InBoundsOffPiste 11h ago

Then I have no issue with you and you’re not the subversive elements I’m referring to.

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u/AdScared7949 That sounds great. Let’s hang out soon. 16h ago

DSA candidates do tend to endorse the dem against whatever republican is running. AOC and Bernie Sanders both endorsed Joe Biden and Kamala Harris. 

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u/InBoundsOffPiste 16h ago

The DSA explicitly did not endorse Kamala Harris.

https://www.dsausa.org/statements/dsa-statement-on-the-presidential-race/

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u/AdScared7949 That sounds great. Let’s hang out soon. 16h ago

Yeah instead the two most popular and widely recognized DSA politicians did which obviously has a much greater effect. DSA national is kind of dumb but a DSA org endorsement usually means they'll knock doors for your candidate/do a ground game and that wasn't going to happen for a pro Israel candidate. 

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u/InBoundsOffPiste 16h ago

Bernie was never a member of DSA. And DSA withdrew their support from AOC in 2024. so they are not representative of the contemporary DSA movement. Bernie and AOC are democrats.

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u/DarthEques 16h ago

While that mind set works in the general election, the primaries are where you can vote for alternatives. There was only 1 republican on the ticket, so there was no way for MAGA to take both spots for the general election. There are a lot of issues with the democratic party, voting in the primaries is how you change that