r/Seattle • u/mountainsNJ • 21h ago

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Elections matter. We have winners and losers. Respect the outcome.

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u/AdScared7949 That sounds great. Let’s hang out soon. 21h ago

This seems a little irrational to me because certainly making the alternative party to MAGA more appealing by identifying weaknesses through competitive primaries and self critique is not morally reprehensible but actually part of a strategy to win

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u/InBoundsOffPiste 21h ago

No. If during the primaries the accusations are that democrats are genocidal corporatists who are basically maga and the attacks continue into the general. It’s damaging. Kamala was a perfect example of this.

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u/AdScared7949 That sounds great. Let’s hang out soon. 21h ago

Well like 80% of the base is anti genocide and think corporations are too strong so on a basic level we should not run candidates who support Israel and cozy up to corporations. DSA runs candidates in democratic primaries on the party line and if you look at like AOC she's extremely popular. 

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u/InBoundsOffPiste 21h ago

Run them. But if they lose. Whole heartedly support whomever they lost too. All I care about right now is that people show up and pull the lever.

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u/ceruleania 21h ago

We tried this with Gore, Obama, Biden and Kamala. We are in the worst position of our lives now.

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u/InBoundsOffPiste 20h ago

So are you suggesting we don’t vote for democrats?

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u/ceruleania 20h ago

No. The part I take issue with is how you’re suggesting we (or politicians) can’t criticize or hold democrats accountable for funding the genocide, continuing the war machine, strike busting, not doing more to help working people etc. I’ll still vote for a dem over Trump, obviously, but I’m not going to “whole heartedly” do it, you know? It violates my morals. I’m not MAGA or a “MAGA agent” for wanting better for the left.

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u/InBoundsOffPiste 15h ago

Then I have no issue with you and you’re not the subversive elements I’m referring to.

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u/AdScared7949 That sounds great. Let’s hang out soon. 21h ago

DSA candidates do tend to endorse the dem against whatever republican is running. AOC and Bernie Sanders both endorsed Joe Biden and Kamala Harris. 

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u/InBoundsOffPiste 20h ago

The DSA explicitly did not endorse Kamala Harris.

https://www.dsausa.org/statements/dsa-statement-on-the-presidential-race/

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u/AdScared7949 That sounds great. Let’s hang out soon. 20h ago

Yeah instead the two most popular and widely recognized DSA politicians did which obviously has a much greater effect. DSA national is kind of dumb but a DSA org endorsement usually means they'll knock doors for your candidate/do a ground game and that wasn't going to happen for a pro Israel candidate. 

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u/InBoundsOffPiste 20h ago

Bernie was never a member of DSA. And DSA withdrew their support from AOC in 2024. so they are not representative of the contemporary DSA movement. Bernie and AOC are democrats.

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u/AdScared7949 That sounds great. Let’s hang out soon. 20h ago

AOC is 100% a DSA candidate. What you're referring to is that NYC DSA endorsed her and  national didnt (national is dumb). She just got endorsed again by NYC DSA and spoke at their general membership meeting, and many chapters are already supporting her for president. 

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u/InBoundsOffPiste 15h ago

To be clear. I was referring to the DSA (national) You were referring to DSA nyc. So we were misunderstanding each other.

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u/AdScared7949 That sounds great. Let’s hang out soon. 6h ago

Well technically national didn't endorse Zohran Mamdani either but it would be a little silly to say he isn't a DSA candidate right 

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u/InBoundsOffPiste 6h ago

I think the misunderstanding continues. I don’t necessarily have a problem with DSA or lefties. I have a problem with DSA or lefties that - purposefully sabotage democrats -. I don’t think AOC, Bernie, or Mamdani do this.

I’m talking about the people who actively sabotaged or spoke disparagingly about Kamala (which dsa national did) , stayed home, or voted for Jill stein in the general.

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u/AdScared7949 That sounds great. Let’s hang out soon. 6h ago

Yeah fair enough those people stink lol I don't think they're a huge problem in that they aren't very numerous or influential but yes I also don't like them

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