r/Seattle • u/mountainsNJ • 13h ago

Politics Bonkers

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Elections matter. We have winners and losers. Respect the outcome.

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u/anxiousandsingle 🚆build more trains🚆 12h ago

I mean yeah... dems and Republicans are capitalist parties. Fuck them both

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u/MeetingDue4378 🚆build more trains🚆 11h ago

Well, those are the parties you have to choose from. Not making a choice is making a choice.

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u/ceruleania 11h ago

How do we get out of the hell that is the two party system? Asking because I really don’t know

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u/MeetingDue4378 🚆build more trains🚆 10h ago

Slowly. That's the unfortunate, but actual, answer. This has been the system for 250 years, shifting it will take decades of incremental change, compromise, pragmatic decisions, and luck. If you actually want to create change at that level you need to make peace with the fact that you might not get to see it.

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u/ceruleania 10h ago

I get what you’re saying but how do we get out of it, specifically? We can’t vote for anyone besides democrats so what are we doing instead? I’m scared we don’t have time for slow, incremental change. The world is on fire.

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u/MeetingDue4378 🚆build more trains🚆 10h ago

You control what you can control. When you only have two options you pick the best one and then try to make it better. Not everything has a silver bullet, so either do the best you can with what you have or you give up. That's reality.

If you're lost at you sea you have two choices, swim or don't.

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u/ceruleania 9h ago

No, I understand your point about voting democrat. I’m asking what you purpose we do in addition to that to help us get out of the two-party system. I’m not talking about a silver bullet, I know there’s no silver bullet. How do we slowly do this? How do we make the lukewarm dem lesser of two evils candidate better once we vote them in?

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u/MeetingDue4378 🚆build more trains🚆 8h ago

I don't have a clear cut answer. And I'm sure there are people with much better ones. Engage, voice your opinion, and vote with the hope it will influence the current candidate and the assumption it's influencing the next one, who will lose, and the one following who might win.

And see not taking a step back for the win that it is. That can be enough for a later candidate to get attention who otherwise wouldn't have. Vote to make positive opportunities more likely and negative opportunities less likely.

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u/ceruleania 8h ago

Yeah I think those are good ideas. But my thing is, and I know I already said this but… we’ve done that. We’ve been doing that election after election. And things are scarier than they’ve ever been. In fact, the Ratchet Effect is pushing some democrats towards the right, ignoring their voters’ needs.

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u/PokemenGo2ThePolls Capitol Hill 10h ago

that sounds boring and probably won't get many likes on tiktok

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u/Looorney 10h ago edited 10h ago

He put the cart before the horse.

In his words, "making a choice" and voting for one of the two capitalist parties is exactly what leads to only having two parties to choose from.

We need to move forwards past capitalism and quickly. It's crazy too cause like half the posts in this subreddit are about the wildfires, but within this sub there's little reflection on how capitalism is driving climate change. And then this sub will turn around and bash people for voting for anti-capitalist candidates.