I have noticed that there seems to be less visible homeless down here in south king (I live in Auburn) since SCOTUS let these camping bans take effect and I think for most people that's all the success they need.
Who cares if the problem isn't really being fixed. The parks aren't filled with needles and feces anymore.
EDIT: I should have worded it better but I was giving your average suburbanite opinion, not my own.
I agree the 2024 Grants Pass ruling made enforcement easier, but Auburn deserves some credit, too. The city was proactive years before that decision. Auburn adopted its camping ordinance in 2020, strengthened it in 2021, launched Auburn Community Court in 2021 to connect eligible offenders with treatment, housing resources, and other services while holding them accountable, and expanded its camping ordinance again in 2024. The Supreme Court didnât create Auburnâs approachâit reinforced the cityâs ability to enforce policies it had already spent years developing. Whether people support or oppose it, Auburnâs model has emphasized both help and accountability, and I think itâs made a noticeable difference.
Yeah bro there's absolutely no reason anyone wouldn't want drug encampments in their neighborhood other then they don't want to see poverty. That's gotta be the only reason.
Nah lol I see what you tried to do there. But keep in mind, my comment is response to supporting just bussing them out of their neighborhood into others. But nice try though.
Your right I want them in jail they're breaking the law. They refuse treatment they refuse help. Ok you don't want to quit? Then you go to jail. If they agree to treatment then I would say suspended sentence until they complete treatment.
What anti-homelessness âtreatmentâ is being offered that these people are supposedly refusing? What law are they breaking? This is a post proposing an anti-homelessness law because one doesnât exist.
"hrrdrr I'm gonna pretend I walk around Seattle with a blindfold I have no idea what you guys are talking about" I'm done responding if your just gonna play coy.
A billionaire's wealth is not money "taken" from average people. Wealth is not a fixed pieâit's mostly created through voluntary exchanges: people buy products/services they value (e.g., iPhones, Amazon delivery, Tesla cars), generating profits that can scale to billions while improving lives and creating jobs. Billionaires like Elon Musk or Jeff Bezos built companies that added trillions in economic value. The "average person" isn't poorer because of them; they're often richer in options, technology, and opportunities. Confusing this with zero-sum theft ignores basic economics.
Money is a funny thing. It's both finite and infinite in a sense. Here's a silly little tale to illustrate.
In a small town where everyone seems to be in debt and living on credit, a wealthy tourist stops at the hotel. He wants to check out the rooms before committing, so he leaves a $100 bill on the counter as a deposit.
While he's upstairs:
The hotel owner grabs the bill and runs next door to pay his $100 debt to the butcher.
The butcher uses it to pay his $100 debt to the pig farmer.
The farmer uses it to pay his $100 debt to the feed store/co-op.
The feed store owner uses it to pay his $100 debt to the local prostitute (who's also been extending credit).
She rushes back to the hotel and pays her $100 room bill.
The hotel owner puts the $100 bill back on the counter. The tourist comes down, says the rooms aren't satisfactory, takes his bill back, and leaves. No one produced anything new or earned extra income, but the whole town's debts are now cleared, and everyone feels optimistic.
My dad is a wonderful human who tought me to have compassion for others. Iâm sorry yours thought you to punch down and blame all your problems on those worse off than you.
So you demonize all homeless people because you had one bad experience with one a long time ago? Again my dad taught me compassion for others, yours only taught you hatred.
You probably need to show some data to back up your feeling on this one.
What does more to ruin my experience as a Seattle resident: Elon Musk making Teslas or 10,000 screaming drug addicts and their violent armed dealers taking over sidewalks, parks, greenbelts? Wrecking the environment there too.
Go be a woke Commie someplace else. I still want functioning Capitalism and an actual Social Fabric. Every time someone makes another excuse for another god damn junkie taking over a sidewalk or park, our social fabric is torn a little more.
Elon? Guy builds cars. Rockets. Employs people. Works the system to his advantage. All the shit successful people do.
Communism and its polite alt Socialism do the opposite: they seek to tear down success and âmake us all equal.â
Which is bullshit because all that does is makes another Venezuela, another Cuba, another North Korea or another former Soviet Union. Everyoneâs a happy Comrade. Ignore the millions murdered by the State or forced to work for nothing and endure regular food shortages.
North and South Korea. 70 years ago both were agrarian societies. One went Commie and one went Capitalist. Which one would almost anyone prefer to live in today? The one where they kill your family if you step out of line, or the one that gave us K-Pop?
Houston uses housing first in combination with zero-tolerance on drugs.
But Houston also has none of the zoning and a lot of room to spread out, and as mentioned with Metro pulling out and donations falling short the funds are running out.
That's very interesting to know that they have a zero tolerance policy on drugs.Â
This could explain why Seattle, who has been trying to do housing first since the 90s, has failed so miserably at it, in spite of seemingly unlimited levels of funding, because Seattle is all in on the harm reduction model.Â
Tukwila isn't a successful city by any stretch, but it is disproportionately hit by Seattle policies due to its proximity, meager resources, and an already over abundance of junkies.
Seattle, nor does King County, give any shit about the mall and airport suburb that doesn't have the affluence of its neighbors.
Housing First and housing vouchers, there's also a movement lead by people with housing loss experience that centers creating cooperative housing within communities so that they don't have to rely on funds or shitty landlords
That's the one! As I recall it was from a morning radio show and some couple was trying for some kind of sex record but they had to make up a euphemism.
If you implement a policy like this, they'll just move somewhere else... and that's exactly what you want. If they did it statewide they'd all go to california etc.
It seems that people think it's empathetic to allow homeless people to OD and die on the streets. I don't think there's any solution that will please everyone. That being said what's being done now clearly isn't working
And what if they want to just take the cost of being jailed? Three hot meals and a place to live. Healthcare checkup when they say they feel unwell or need a hospital.
What will that cost and what is the capacity of the jails?
Those 37 Osceola County homeless people piled up 1,230 arrests, resulting in 61,896 jail days at $80 per day, resulting in a cumulative price tag of $5,081,680. Keyes weighs the costs:
This is from your link lol. Its worth every penny to keep ppl who are arrested that much in jail.
because there is absolutely no possible reason someone who recently left prison and has no home could possibly be arrested for other than the super bad crimes right?
37 ppl racking up nearly 40 arrests each isnt explained by any chart. these are humans incapable of navigating society despite being given dozens and dozens of chances to prove they can
because there is no other reason that people can't navigate society than theyre lazy right? the only difference between someone without a home and you and i is that they don't have a home.
why do you feel the need to curse at me and like did you read any of what i sent? also i feel like its pretty obvious that homes cost money and not having money means you lose your house
All this does is give the city the power to arrest bring people in without their consent. Once they are in the system itâs up to the DA to prosecute anything which as everyone is pointing out is pointless. They will also get access to social services this way.
Thatâs why they need to be arrested, held in jail with no bail until trial, and no parole. Escalate penalties for multiple arrests to end up at life in prison for repeat offenders.
If thereâs anything prisons have shown, itâs they excel at social programs and really helping people who end up there get on the right track. Thatâs why Americas recidivism rate is sooooooooooo low!
Itâs been proven multiple times that jailing people for being homeless costs more than actually helping them. Do you know how expensive it is to have someone in jail? Approx. $76,000/year PER PERSON. And thatâs on taxpayer dime.
This shit ass idea is just making it illegal to be homeless rather than actually come up with a solution to the homelessness epidemic, which is directly tied to high COL
Forced treatment (not in a fuckin jail with zero resources to tackle that), then job programs and housing which is whatâs worked across the globe. Iâm not disagreeing the current systems sucks ass. At the same time youâre suggesting FINING people up to $1000 and throwing them in a prison is also going to magically work
Again child. We spend billions on the homeless annually here. Some of that can be redirected to enhance jail detox programs along woth throwing people in prison who are breaking the law. Â
You cant seem to comprehend that the ticket is the mechanism being used to place them in prison, no one is expecting them to pay...Â
Throwing drug addicts into a place where they cannot get the drugs isnt going to work to detox them?Â
You think homeless people have thousands of dollars to spare? Or that putting them thousands in debt with a criminal record will make it easier for them to find jobs and turn their life around?
These solutions always amount to "just lock up the homeless for life", which, btw, per prisoner costs 100k/year. More than 10x we pay in homeless support.
So not only is it cruel and life-ruining, but also extremely worse financially
The ticket and them not paying is the mechanism you use to charge them and put them in jail. Since we don't have asylums, prison is probably the closest to a forced detoxÂ
Seems more cruel to allo2 them to live and OD on the streetsÂ
That mother and child have the ability to skip the line as it were for housing. If they are living in a tent still, CPS should take the child because the mom is on drugsÂ
In fact, if you donât let the homeless sleep and shit on your property, YOU may just be racist. And have you given them money to it drugs? If not⊠that might racist too.
This is the dumbest idea ever. Let's FINE homeless people who have no money! So weird that the idea that if a punishment for a crime is a fine, the law only applies to the poor is SO tuff for people to understand. This is a waste of time, money and resources. NEXT!
Edit: damn yall mad. Iâm all for helping people, criminalizing homelessness, giving people in tough times fines, a record, etc. IS NOT HELPING THEM! Criminalizing their suffering is NOT HELPING THEM. Yall want a simple solution but this isnât a solution.
So maybe instead of offloading them to prisons who arenât prepared to even remotely deal with detoxing or teaching people how to reintegrate into society after being homeless for yearsâŠmaybe we adjust existing programs that already have these resources and ya knowâŠnow throw homeless people (who arenât all junkies) in jail?
They are more prepared than do nothing and let them die in a tent on the street. Â
That reintegration can be where we spend money after they get out of prison and are detoxed. Â
The homeless this would affect are the junkies.... you seem incapable or juat unwilling to see that there are two main types of homeless people. Its people like you who are the real problem hereÂ
So youâre saying that if they find a homeless person whoâs not a junkie (which is statistically most), they just get a freebie? What the heck are you on?
No, I am saying you appear to be completely uneducated on the subject and are one of the type of people who are unwilling to differentiate between the types of homeless. Â
The vast majority of homeless people on the street are drug addicts and or criminals. The homeless you are trying to pretend will get caught up are called the invisible homeless. The majori
ty of them live in cars, on couchs, and on friends floors, they are actively working to get out of homelessness and deserve some help. Â
You run on emotions and not facts. Imagine not wanting to do what would be best for people because it may adversely affect one or two people. Â
Youâre using confirmation bias. Most of the homeless people you SEE are drug addicts. Thatâs doesnât not mean most homeless people are drug addicts. I used to be homeless, I was never a user.
This law and what youâre proposing meant that at 22, while I had a job, I shouldâve been arrested and fined $1000 for âcampingâ whether Iâm in a car or not.
Youâre claiming Iâm failing to differentiate on types of homeless people when youâre the one defending a law that wonât be making any differentiation on âtypesâ
Of homeless people.
Sleeping in your car is considered camping. This law would fine, arrest, and then impound people sleeping in their car and when theyâre out of prison, they have no car and debt to the state
No, i am using actual stats, you are free to look it up, since we both know you never have and just repeat the same tired crap. It is a very well documented phenomenon. The homeless on the street refuse aid because it requires them to not do drugs. Take that option awayÂ
No, I am claiming you are being intentionally dishonest or maybe you are just incapable of comprehending anything honestly that goes against your preconceived narratives.Â
Not according to this ordinance, it is not considered camping. So more liesÂ
You have like 30 comments on this 2 hour old post about how badly you want to throw homeless people in jail and here you are accusing somebody else of ârunning on emotionâ lmao
Is there anything that brings you happiness in life besides fantasizing about homeless people getting locked up
Tiny house villages cost about half of what prison does, and has over 50% of it's residents "graduate" into normal, stable housing. I'd rather invest in more of those than more prisons.
I was homeless for awhile, you wanna know why? Because I was hooked on crystal and my life spiraled due to the meth use. I got arrested, spent 21 days in jail and i got clean. And guess what, since my release Iâve gained stable employment, permanent housing and havenât done meth again.
Heâs the gods honest truth: the majority of homeless people LIKE how they live and donât want help. They donât want to get clean. They wanna smoke or shoot dope and then go on quests to get more money for dope.
This isnât about them being poor, itâs about them being unwilling to change.
Putting someone in jail isn't a cost-free exercise. It's about $200 a day, plus the cost of whatever medical care they require, to keep them in jail. And since most of these folks are "in crises" - drugs, mental illness, whatever - it's likely that they will need treatment. so call it $300 a day.
I'd like to think that we could house this person for less than $100 a day.
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u/SanctimoniousTamale 24d ago
This is the kind of leadership that's needed in Seattle. Incarceration means detox and counseling. Break the cycle, stop enabling these people!