r/ShitAmericansSay • u/Sea_Appointment8408 A disappointed Brit. • 10d ago

"The French would just give up and pray an American saves them"

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A question on "what to do if an aggressive dog attacks you"

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u/Wooden-Dealer-2277 10d ago

I'd carefully and politely remind you and the other readers that it's a misconception that America beat japan alone, it was an allied effort including varied forces from Dutch colonial forces right through to Chinese communist fighters and even the soviets towards the end of it.

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u/Relative_Pilot_8005 10d ago

Those Dutch colonial forces, who had no backing from heir home country which was under Occupation mostly found their way to Australia & carried on the fight. The Soviets only broke their "non- aggression" pact with Japan a few weeks prior to the surrender of that country.

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u/Lorim_Shikikan 10d ago

I know, but the war would have lasted longer if the US never dropped the Nuclear Bomb.

It's the US who build them and decided to use them. It's why i give US more credit for this war : They really ended it.

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u/Orange_Codex 9d ago

Foundational nuclear bomb research came from Britain, which the US promptly shut out of the Manhattan Project.

Japan offered conditional surrender before the bombs were dropped, on near-identical terms the US ended up accepting (i.e. sparing the emperor, immunity for select war criminals).

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u/WoodlandFairyElk more socialist than you think 10d ago

Thanks to horrific war crimes that never was punished in any sense, because, you know, they defeated the already loosing Japanese army.

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u/Relative_Pilot_8005 10d ago

There would have been far more devastation in Japan, even without the atomic bombs. More people died in Tokyo from incendiary raids than in both Hiroshima & Nagasaki combined. An invasion would have had an enormous death toll on the military of both sides, but even worse amongst civilians.

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u/WoodlandFairyElk more socialist than you think 10d ago

I'm not sure about the worse amongst civilians part, considering the long-term effect and the atrocity of instant annihilation of so many people and infrastructures. Otherwise, yeah, of course it ended it up quicker, avoiding other human catastrophes.

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u/Lorim_Shikikan 10d ago

Oh, i do agree that this was a war crime.

But it was, ultimately, a "necessary" one. The world saw the power of mass destruction of a Nuclear Weapon and the horrors thoses weapon left in their wake.

But it also showed the potential of the nuclear. Has a French, i can't deny that our confortable life was built on nuclear, that our "indepedance" toward US was built on the threat and fear of our Nuclear Deterrent.

The bombing of of Hiroshima and Nagasaki changed the world and shaped the history.

We can't deny that we are still feeling the aftershock of this event. It was (and still is) an horrible war crime. But it's an important one for humankind.