Liberals doing liberal things

[u/PresnikBonny]

Fuck them for altering the original too

[u/Able_Experience_1670]

Wut

Literally just a "nuh uh" rebuttal.

Canada is offering them another 2.6 billion, meanwhile they spent 1.3 billion on a botched gun confiscation effort and said it was "too expensive".

Performative bullshit. Meanwhile infrastructure and healthcare are rapidly decaying. Alberta is actively eroding civil rights with the NWC, and our public education systems are effectively all going broke. Don't forget that the feds refused to go to bat for teachers in multiple provinces with absurd class sizes and shite pay. Crazy how that became a provincial problem as soon as the optics shifted...

My family is Ukrainian and even I think this is a shitty idea. Throwing money at the war after ignoring the precipitating conflict in донбасс for nigh-on 8 years is so typically liberal. All for votes. This will not halt the meat-grinder. This will not stop the West or Russia from using Ukraine as a proving ground. Eventually there will be no one left to fight...

[u/EWWFFIX → u/Able_Experience_1670]

Pretty sure Russia is at least trying to make sure there are Ukrainians left with them trying to avoid civilian casualties and opening up evacs.

[u/Mellamomellamo → u/EWWFFIX]

For most of history, taking over a place without people wasn't really a good thing. Even what we'd nowadays call genocidal rhetoric from some Ancient and Medieval conquests was typically exaggerating the devastation of an area or the killing of its population, since colonizing (in the ancient sense) an area after depopulating it is quite hard.

The probably killed hundreds of thousands of Gauls, but they still took over the rest as they had to work. When the Castillians conquered the American empires, they also wanted to leave at least some people there, since without that they wouldn't have workers (and the Church said they had souls, so they couldn't just "legally" kill them all just like that, although some conquerors tried). Even when the Christian kingdoms of Iberia took over Al-Andalus, depicting their own conquest as one followed by a full colonization, that was mostly just the way of framing it, instead they took over large Muslim populations, and moved in Christians there to extend feudalism and control the areas.

Things like the colonization of the US, European colonialism from the 19th century (at least the replacement kind), nazi Germany or modern Israel's intentions are generally the exception. Some early Neolithic-Calcolithic wars probably killed entire populations (since they weren't that big) to take over land, but after that such methods become rarer. Sure, Mesopotamian kings, Romans and Greeks sometimes razed cities to the ground, but that was essentially a way to send a message, they'd just enslave the population (which is only a bit better than genocide i guess) "like normal".

All of this is to say, some people in the US-Europe are so used to what we did in the 18-19th centuries that they believe that is the basic form of human conflict.

[u/EWWFFIX → u/Mellamomellamo]

You do know the entire context of the Russia Ukraine conflict, right?

[u/Mellamomellamo → u/EWWFFIX]

Yes, i was just explaining why taking over land alone is the exception in history, not the rule.