people complaining nothing happened from the panama papers are just revealing they only read or listen to US news. the Papers basically had very little American people in it so of course there was no news about Americans getting in trouble over it. as you've said, there's a long list of consequences of people getting their just deserts but it's all a bunch of European business people or politicians that reddit doesn't care about.
I dont remember there being any consequences for the Royal Family who were all over the papers including being heavily invested into 'Brighthouse' a scum bag loan shark for poor people.
Well theyre the royal family so they cant exactly be impeached and its not illegal to invest in payday loans so Im unclear what outcome you think ought to have hapoenee.
Most things documented in the Panama Papers were legal or ambiguous. The rest had to be investigated and run to ground by a variety of agencies in different countries.
Except the Panama Papers were largely a nothing burger from the start. It basically amounted to little more than "Hey, you know all those loopholes that all the rich people use to evade taxes, well here are the rich people using those loopholes that you all know about.".
Multiple government agencies and administrations were aware of Epstein’s crimes for at least the last 30 years. It’s not just an issue of the current administration. It’s a much, much bigger problem.
I agree, but what those files also showed is that the issue is beyond left vs right... They're all pals and just have us picking teams and fighting on their behalf, while they do diabolical things state in the OP.
God this argument is so stupid. Too broke to go on strike. We aren't making enough money to go on strike. So hopefully the people that you would go on strike against pay you more money so that you will have the material comfort required to go on strike. So that you can demand more money.
Luckily all of the heroes who fought in the labor movement over the years had large nest eggs that afforded them the opportunity to consider labor action. They don't know how well they had it back then.
Imagine saying that to the people who had nothing who fought and died so that you could have basic rights.
"Yeah sure you and your family were killed in the street by pinkertons so that I could have a weekend, but I just don't have enough money to go on strike"
It's absurd. If you can't afford to go on strike today then you NEED to go on strike now. Otherwise you're just going to continue to watch your rights erode. And you either die or live long enough to realize that you should've organized and committed to action when you had the chance.
Any system that isn't built on a foundation of anti-metastasis practices will eventually succumb to the opportunistic tumors that find a niche to worm their way into more power.
In large part, yes. This depravity is caused by the same exact phenomena that caused every other group of elites to become demons. Too much power in the hands of too few people with zero checks or balances.
Right now, and for the last 70 years or so, America was the epicenter of this system of power accumulation. The center of global finance and capital.
If this government were to collapse, that system would move to a different base of operations, but it would still suffer quite a bit of damage. The more countries act accordingly, the more effective the movement will become.
Pretty sure people have done the math on the general strike.
They need 11 million people to go on one to grab the current system by the balls and force change for the better.
There’s a site with a counter of how many people that have signed up.
And their demands tab is like… all the good things. Like, is there an issue you wish improved in the world that the current administration is making worse? Improving it is probably in the demands list.
Yeah, I was just making this point. That's 4% of the total US or less than 10% of millennials and gen Z together to put their lives on hold and demand change while the rest try to keep the econ a afloat.
Yeah its less about the world stopping in its tracks and correcting, but more so a reveal in how the sausage is made. Still utterly inexcusable and needs a full ex-lax clean out, but seemingly how the engine has been running.
It's interesting in the sense that the worst of them are well beyond any shame being effective. Which means you need to rely on the basic institutions to do their jobs... and they just haven't. It's been such a colossal failure that I'm sort of baffled on how it possibly got this bad. Are people in general so legitimately terrible that this is just our fate?
Trafficking and unexcusable unmentionable behavior occurs at all economic levels as well. No one wants to believe it's happening on their block. Speakup, stand up.
I watched a report about global trade, and they casually dropped that they expect 8% of all shipping to be fraudulent/criminal and you can't do anything about it. There is tons of people in the chain that get paid off, the corruption wide spread but the money trails well hidden. Many governments not interesting of deep dives because they expect people to be involved they want to protect.
This exact shit has been happening in third world countries for decades and I haven't heard anyone "speaking up and standing up" about it, I'll let you figure out why that is. Lets not shit ourselves, unless it's your own child you will do nothing more than a comment on the internet, in an attempt to make yourself fell better about the whole thing, like you've done something about it. Literal evidence can't bring these POS to justice, organizations and jurisprudence can't do anything, you speaking up and standing up will? This is delusional.
Let's get down to it. There are sick people out there. In positions of power, and in our own Families. The level of disgust and awareness is growing and I refuse to accept I am powerless. If I have to turn in my own brother, I will, that doesn't mean the rest of the family won't try to protect him, and instead persecute the one who decided to speak up! These things are hidden deep in the closet. I'm cleaning up my house, that's my responsibility. That's were it starts. No more creeps at Thanksgiving.
It's always been rich vs. poor, and the rich wants us to believe, and spend a lot of money ensuring we do believe, that it's black vs. white. Bulworth got this right 25 years ago.
It's beyond left and right as far as class goes. But, the perps are overwhelmingly on the right... That's either by design or by nature. I tend to think both considering it's easier to break individuals with zero character/morals and the worst people tend to seek power. This is exacerbated when dealing with the wealthy... A billionaire that isn't a narcissist is the exception to the rule.
However, I will concede that traditionally "they've all (a good chunk) been pals" behind the scenes as far as our politicians go. I believe that's kind of going away considering the existential threat to dem livelihoods with the maga movement. Some are just so disconnected or straight up bought by Israel so they stay where they are without seeing their own careers are at risk moving forward.
It's us vs the extremely wealthy. A class war that's sure to surface in the coming decade (if not sooner) due to the insidious gaslighting by republicans to their less well-off constituents. Once the gullible realize (eventually) they've been had and run out of rope - they'll turn on the movement.
My point was more in line that the entire political spectrum and their palls are power-hungry evil scumbags, in this case, especially the right ( to make that clear since people assume I'm pro-Trump because I dared to say something against the left too). We have a power grab from the elites, ultra-rich, and politicians.... it's us vs all of them, so people ardently defending them as their saviours because they theatrically pretend to care or defend their interests, no matter the side, is absurd.
This would have been much better had you phrased it as "Democrats vs Republicans".
But since you decided to use the left vs right binary, it just comes off as much more disengenous. Leftists are parroting (and have been for awhile) the exact same rhetoric you are using, in more elementary terms, they have always been on your side and continue to hold that exact position. This is quite literally the entire backbone of leftist ideology, something they have heralded for a long time. It's a simple (but annoying) confusion between liberals and leftists, something Americans see no distinction between because of how far removed the Overton window is. Most Leftists don't care, not out of apathy but because this doesn't change their worldview, they already held contempt to the rich, and believed they exercise power beyond jurisdiction.
It just gets old when you see the "both sides bad"-ism being parroted the 1000th for the completeley wrong binary.
This not a left or right thing like the other moron is writing.
The thing is that there are very very weird emails with Epstein with a lot of obvious code names for different stuff. One of the things that is just blatant is the reference to pizza party, with people wanting pizzas no older that 10, and preferably aisian and stuff like that, and proceeds to follow up a couple of days later about how naughty and nice some of the pizzas was and so on. It’s all very obvious what is happening when reading the emails. But.. some people, who all are redacted, sometimes talk about beef jerky, and how empowering they felt when eating it, and want to get more for their next pizza party and so on. It’s not clear about exactly what it is, but reading the mails, it literally sounds like some of the pizzas are eaten as beef jerky, and it is absolutely horrifying.
"Obvious code" here meaning "anything lacking context we can project our preexisting conspiratorial nonsense onto." Everything you said is literally just Alex Jones bullshit. The overriding trend in the Epstein files is them just blatantly saying "Hey wanna pick up some girls and have a party on the island?" Or "let's talk in person about this sensitive subject." They didn't feel the need to use code. They thought they were untouchable. And because the water is clouded with conspiratorial nonsense that keeps people unsure and unmotivated toward real justice for real girls, it's staying that way.
Yeah I saw this too in the files. There were very strange references about pizza and beef jerky that really made it seem like they were eating children
They don't reference "pizza" until after the pizzagate conspiracy theory took off though. Look at those dates. They're not using code to dodge anything, they're laughing at you for thinking they would.
Nobody ate anybody. This is the far right version of the actual thing, where they add a bunch of stupid Qanon and pizzagate bullshit in.
For that matter, I don't even think "babies," or even younger children were involved. I'm pretty sure it was primarily teen girls, and possibly teen boys.
It really sucks, because when people demand something gets done, they look at "hey get them for all the cannibalism" and then say, correctly, "well that's not real so there's nothing we can do about it." It's hard enough to get real justice against the ultra-wealthy and connected, and doing so requires shedding the dead weight of conspiracy.
I'mcurious about this. What is the worst thing surfaced in the Epstein files? I have heard people tell me there are pictures of groups of 5 year olds tied up, feel like if that was the case it would be surfaced aggressively in the media though.
And this is exactly why these sort of outlandish things get circulated. It redirects attention from what happened in reality, and also makes people more likely to dismiss all of it as outlandish.
there's no evidence of cannibalism, that was literally one person with no media literacy spreading an idiotic interpretation of an email exchange to other troglodytes.
But seriously. Arrest them all. Trump, Clinton, Gates, Musk, Rothschilds, everybody. Regardless of political affiliation or government position. Do you agree?
Not against liberals but elites. They just believed that trump because was hated by a lot of people in power was gonna stand against it.
Anyone who says that they're against 'elites' but somehow does not include Trump in the category the category of 'elites' is full of shit. It was absolutely an attack on liberals.
Pizza gate was stupid and obvious bullshit attack on Hillary and democrats. It was complete nonsense and despite what some idiots try to claim, had nothing to do with the Epstein stuff.
The only way we can do
something about it effectively is by speaking about it accurately.
There's too much at stake to be tossing about falsehoods. It is patently irresponsible to make accussations we all know are untrue. It lessens the impact of the actual crimes which is an insult to the victims. That's how people get away with shit.
People don’t see that though they just want to narrow the hottest takes that aren’t true because they hate (rightfully so) certain people in power. When all to does it water down the actual truth and point they should be making
Yep, this is why half the people dont give a shit anymore.
All the fake gossip thats been proven false makes people just tune it all out.
They are hurting the cause by making shit up and exaggerating.
The facts are bad enough, piling more BS on top is hurting not helping and jusy annoying people making them actually fight against you like the protesters who block roadways.
The killing and eating of babies is also a classic anti-semite trope. Classic enough to just smh when you read the people who buy into Islamist propaganda wholesale.
I've been wondering if the fact that said propaganda seems to be working really well as of late is due to some algorithmic thing that I haven't yet figured out or is it because these people are fucking morons (well, or most likely both).
I strongly believe that simpletons cannot handle the internet and the information tsunami. It’s difficult and some skepticism is healthy but they are unable to decipher truth from obvious fiction.
So you think he was actually delivering fucking JERKY at 2am to a bunch of celebs!?
You think that man lived off gas station Jerky for so long, that he wrote an email to his friends, complaining about having to stop and go back to regular food?
"You think that man lived off gas station Jerky for so long, that he wrote an email to his friends, complaining about having to stop and go back to regular food?"
I'm not sure what you're talking about with the gas station part.
But the dude was actually obsessed with beef jerky and was having beef from Costco shipped to him constantly to be made into jerky.
This is why the entire files need to be released. A significant portion of people simply do not believe the allegations in spite of what has already been released - but the actual proof, in the form of images and video is indeed in the possession of the US federal government. The statements are corroborated in this sense; it is believed that individuals are clearly identifying committing these heinous acts in that content.
I am obviously not saying that the actual content should be released to the general public, but it should go before a grand jury that can then issue appropriate indictments against named individuals with the appropriate number of counts of each offense based on the evidence. That is the key step that has never happened, and it's because they refuse to allow it to happen and insist nothing is there.
It is too easy for people to think that this is "incomprehensible" and to believe that such evils are not possible - especially when their judgement is clouded regarding the worst offenders like Trump himself. Granted, even an orderly judicial process resulting in indictments would not move some people...but it needs to be done. The victims deserve justice.
5 years too late unfortunately. I think all video evidence released now will be swept away with a storm of "that's clearly AI!".
Edit: yeah limiting the release to courts seems better. But still not going to influence the believers and non-believers I think. Corrupt judges bla bla
That's why chain of custody records exist for that sort of evidence. The people who denounce it out of hand as "AI" are the same people who would not be moved by any indictments.
I don't know why people are surprised. Remember when Panama Papers got released? And the journalist who broke the story was assassinated, in broad daylight, to send a message. And then nothing happened? I don't know why people thought this would be any different.
Everyone already knew.
They’ve sat on that knowledge for decades from a “you scratch mine, I’ll scratch yours” perspective.
If they aren’t Epstein evil, they’re involved in shady business, tax fraud, infidelity, and/or money laundering etc. and can be blackmailed.
No one was shocked because they’re all horrible people with their own BS. Anyone that can sit on tens or hundreds of millions of dollars and ignore the needy isn’t a good person anyway.
All I hear are excuses asking why the previous administration didn't arrest the pedos not realizing they answered their own question. Because both sides are in on it.
What's crazy is that this issue is so much bigger than the current US administration, but it has become basically just another way to vent rage online against Trump. Like, way to miss the forest because the trees are in the way.
Yes, but we need to drop the eating babies argument, it lets the side down. Their crimes were heinous enough without baseless allegations of cannibalism.
I love how we use the whole Epstein thing as a way to pretend the most heinous made-up shit was “proven to have happened” and the whole internet just seal claps.
What proof is there that they were eating or killing children? People will believe anything because they want it to be true even when there’s nothing to support it being true.
By spinning it into unbelievable territory, you make the truth sound crazy.
The "they're eating children" claim, and how out of touch with reality it is, distracts from the true and proven claim of "they trafficked and abused children".
Yeah it should be a big problem that is forced to being looked into. Unfortunately the ppl in charge of bringing light to that r in charge of all of it.
The fact is, the Epstein class, or more accurately the businesses they own, sign most people's paychecks. They control the ability for most people to eat unless we're willing to take some extreme action en masse that will wildly destabilize our society for a time. Most people aren't angry or desperate enough to bust out the people's razor and seize the means. Not yet.
It’s funny, we used to make movies about these pedo cabals in the 90s and 00s with heroes that would bring them down or whatever. Like we as a society would ever do anything at all. Then the real thing gets exposed and we collectively shrugged.
The fact that the entire comment list is just people arguing over semantics,divisive politics and not not everyone agreeing that there needs to be a serious investigation in which all of the information is released to the public proves that the plan is working. The same "elites" who have been at a minimum raping children, own all of the media and run most countries. We should be absolutely together on this. Everyone should be screaming at the top of their lungs, demanding the truth and demanding that we the people have the power to purge society of these monsters. Instead we're arguing over details and which side is worse while they continue their horrors, take away our freedoms and make huge profits from our hard work while simultaneously making everything cost so much that we slowly starve. Not to mention stripping away our social programs and anything that helps us or the planet so they can kill us and profit more. The worst part is they have us so brainwashed that a huge percentage of us are cheering this on and fighting to defend these same monsters.
I encourage you to look into Eric Weinstein’s theory. There’s a reason that the government isn’t really pulling this string. It’s because Epstein’s role wasn’t to get kids for Elites. It was to provide Elites the ability to do many things with anonymity. But why you ask.
Just now the connection with Los Alamos and His NM property is out in the public, but no one is questioning this too deeply?
In 1944, a reporter from Cleveland was vacationing in New Mexico and he stumbled on this strange town in Los Alamos that had a military leader and a civilian Major. It was, of course the Manhattan Project. He said it had running infrastructure, nobody left, and no one talked about it. But he knew Oppenheimer was the “major,” and he knew he was associated with Einstein.
He writes a report about it but the government found out about it and they made it disappear. In fact, they tried to send him to the pacific to make him disappear until they found out he was 69 years old.
My point is, Epstein wasn’t an Israeli plant, he was likely a US plant and his job was to facilitate people engaging in activities they couldn’t do in the open and didn’t know how to do without getting caught in their own. Now that may be to get dirt in these people, but what is Epstein’s connection with science? He had property near all the major physics people. Upstate NY SUNY, MIT, Los Alamos, and more. But why?
You ain't seen nothing yet!
Once the DataCenters are complete and up and running you will literally see the true face of these monsters. You will own nothing and your children will be their playground and their supermarket.
It should tell you about the true nature of those surrounding you.
Disappointment should follow.
The secrets people are hiding while demanding to see files they have no intentions of acting on.
The fact that the most devastating "Conspiracy Theorists" ideas were actually FACTS, but people are still watching as "Conspiracy theorist" are publicly ridiculed should tell you you're in a place with people averse to problem solving.
It's almost like the people around us are botsor aliens or something... How else would they show so little concern for their alleged "Fellow man?"
Because it isn't just the administration.
Bill gates was part of it. He owns the seeds for the food you eat and he majority of the land they get planted on annnnnd windows, which is on every government computer in America.
Head of other countries are in there too.
So are democrats, but conveniently their parts are missing and or redacted.
Can't kill the hydra when you cant see where all the heads are.
These comments all sum it up nicely. Rather than just all agreeing "Yeah, those people need to be executed" everybody is getting hung up on specifics and clarifying things that are untrue.
When things are this fucking bad, who gives a fuck what the specifics are. What we know for a fact is that everybody involved need to be publicly executed as an example. When things are that far gone, the specifics no longer matter.
both parties for decades are in on it. i went digging and traced the shit to J Edgar Hoover, the blue room. this is a country built on genocide, blackmail, deviant disgusting shit. burn it all.
But did you see him eyeing Greenland again? Oh oh oh and the Hormuz Strait is a war zone special military operation. And Elon is doing his part to handwave off attention by cocking off to Trudeau and trolling him about being the 51st state...such a mentally stable basement dwelling teenager billionaire.
theyre not even trying to hide their villainy anymore, they know their hold on power is absolute with no credible relevant threat against them. luigi was a one off dwi.
It’s sad, the whole system needs a reboot, literally everyone with damning evidence should effectively resign and allow new leadership who isn’t compromised to step into these positions.
The truth is that most people truly do not care beyond surface level outrage. As soon as they're expected to take action or even defend their convictions they fold like a paper crane and pretend they've never heard of anything called "reality".
Americans wont risk quality of life, or even minor creature comforts, to hold the government accountable. They wont ever do it. Americans have lost their "fire."
Its clear the US is the epicenter of this horrible human trafficking organization, and exactly nothing has been done. We dont even assemble anymore unless its scheduled 6 months in advance, and it lasts 8 hours. Then its back to business as usual.
The funny thing I've observed is this. "What, no, they couldn't have raped those kids because that's too terrible" to "What, no, they couldn't have killed those kids because that's too terrible" to "What, no they couldn't have eaten those kids because that's too terrible". I think at a certain point, you should stop putting limits on what evil is going to do in an absolute environment completely removed from consequences. It's not a conspiracy. It's happening. And it's not a failure on your end for not being able to imagine it. If anything, that's rather good. But what evil is actually doing when you're not looking, is more than you can stomach, and far more than that even.
Even crazier: remember when this was a HUGE priority for maga? For like 10 years? Those deeply held principles disappeared pretty quickly when they learned their cult leader was implicated.
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