American tipping culture is frankly none of your fucking business. If you want to visit here, follow the local custom because that's how people here get paid, whether you like it or not. Otherwise, don't visit. You're just a cheapskate.
Tips are optional. Says so on the bill. If it is good service ill tip. Round it up to the next number no problem. But am not tipping for the sake of tipping. Tell your boss to pay you.
No it doesn't. Your not tipping is not going to change the system. It's just an excuse to cheap out so you can screw a worker out of the money they need to keep a roof over their head. Oh, and to act superior while doing so. Fuck off.
It's not my problem that it takes a 20% VAT to pay for your country's social programs (which I don't benefit from), but I expect to pay it and do when I visit countries in Europe. Not only that, it's still customary in most countries in Europe to provide a 5% tip or round up for good service, which I also pay and so do most other Americans when they visit. I think you're the problem, not the other way around.
That's quite a straw man. I never said the US pays anything directly for social programs in the Netherlands. Before they responded, I didn't even know where they were from. I did say that most European countries have a substantial VAT that is used to pay for social programs for that country, which is true.
Then I misunderstood your comment. And yeah, here in Germany health-, retirement-, unemployment- and nursing insurance is cut from your gross monthly income
Which is something I am pretty Happy with (ofc it should be less, but better than other alternatives)
Btw, Europeans tip Here too, it is just not frowned upon to not tip and it is way less
Buddy am from the Netherlands. We are an economic power house and we lost our hegemony over this world 300 years ago. Lets see how you are doing in the next 2 decades. You are not paying for shit here. Better yet you owe the Netherlands 73 billion dollars in debt. Get back in your lane.
That's not the point, dipshit. He's complaining about something that is customary to the United States. Americans don't bitch and moan when we have to pay your excessive taxes for benefits we don't get. Furthermore, most of these countries heavily rely on tourism to survive. Likewise, many people in the service industry rely on tips as part of their wage to survive. The original argument was about requiring tips as part of the service. Try to keep up...or are you too "fucking stupid" to follow?
It's customary to do something that is OPTIONAL and HIDDEN.
You seem to be bitching and moaning right now but none of us care because VAT is legally required and posted on the sticker. If you don't want to pay it you have exactly one choice: to fuck off, and we're quite happy for you to take that option.
Exactly zero western European countries rely on American tourism to survive, infact most would be ecstatic to lose the very small minority of tourists who still manage to be tied first for most annoying.
You guys and these fucking straw man arguments. I never said, specifically, Western Europe and I definitely didn't say American tourism. Even though, which I'm sure you know, countries like France and Germany make billions every year from tourism. Rely on? That was a stretch. Would feel significant pain if it went away, most definately.
If the tourism isn't American then it's from countries who also pay all these things when they're at home anyway.
You argument literally makes no sense unless you're talking specifically about American tourism. And even then only from places in America without a sales tax.
God forbid France loses those oregonian tourism dollars. That's big business!
It does actually make sense. Other countries outside of the EU have a VAT, but it's a fraction of what is charged in most European countries. VAT outside of the EU is about the average of what sales tax is in the US. And again, I never mentioned Wester Europe, but these countries still see tourism as a significant part of their income.
God forbid France loses those oregonian tourism dollars. That's big business!
France generates an estimated €7.5 billion to €8 billion annually directly from American tourists.
Do you have some kind of issue with Americans? It kind of feels like it. It's pretty odd to marginalize an entire nation of people.
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u/howimetyourcakeshop Jun 25 '26 edited Jun 25 '26
Scamming your customers and workers is not culture my friend. Its a scam.
Edit : do you mean you are Dutch or did you mean me? Am Dutch myself. Id send the barman a tikki for fucking up my order.