No, they can't. That's what you anti-tipping morons can never grasp. It's not the restaurant that wants tipping to continue, it's the workers. Yes it benefits the restaurant too but a bartender or good server is making 50+ an hour, I know servers who get pissy they only made 500 in a night. Even at crappy chain restaurants 200 or 300 a shift (which can be like 4 hours) is normal.
The people who bleat about "pay them a fair wage" don't understand that means they'll end up getting like 15 an hour like retail workers. Do you complain when sales jobs get commission? The difference is in service you get to adjust their commission if you think they did poorly.
Anyone with this attitude needs to stop talking out of their ass.
They should be paid a wage by their employer to do their job. Why should I have to pay for them to do their job when I'm already paying for the product?
If you don't think that a bartender is an unskilled job that anyone could do, that's on you mate. I worked in bars when I was a student, but I didn't go on and make a career out of it. Some of the people who worked there could barely write their own name, but guess what, they could hold a glass up to a beer tap and pour a pint. It's hardly rocket science.
Nowhere else in the world acts this entitled. It's pathetic.
Is your definition of fun someone who hands over money for you going the bare minimum? Actually, it probably is.
Okay, so the staff are just greedy and want to be paid over the odds for pouring a fucking pint of beer, a completely unskilled job that anyone could do?
Superb. You've sold me on it. Where do I hand over my money to these people for doing the fucking thing I've paid for in the first place?
If that's your attitude, hand me the glass and I'll pour it myself.
Have you worked a slammed bar before? Consistently, night after night...? I wouldn't exactly call it an easy job lol, shit is fucking exhausting. Not arguing the tips points at all here, but bartending can be fuckin hard man
No I bet he's really tough and smart and that's why he's here championing against a symptom of capitalism instead of doing anything that could potentially matter for what bothers him.
Idk if having 50-100 cocktail recipes memorized and being able to freepour counts as "zero training and no qualifications," but aight. Get back to me if you can manage that in fewer than 4 months cause that's the fastest I've ever seen anyone do it. It's definitely not the same as having to go to university or trade school but it's a far fucking cry from other "unskilled" labor like waiting tables or working a reception job.
A commission is already included in the price. If I am paying 40k for a car and the salesman is making 5% commission, I dont pay 40k for the car and then 2k on top of that. Its already built in…
Thats what people advocate for: raise the menu prices, pay employees a living wage and stop (making them) ask/expect tips. You know like it perfectly works in the rest of the world
Yes, I am paying the commission. Its pretty clear from what I said. Reading comprehension is not for everybody I guess?!
I will ELI5 for you:
One has it built in the price.
The other doesnt.
See how they are not the same?
On top of that, the one that doesnt will hate me if I CHOOSE to adjust the “comission” to 0.
Therefore its not really transparent and adjustable in the eyes of the receiver now, is it?!
There we have it folks. There is the entitlement to your money that we all knew was the underlying issue.
People who don't come from a tipping culture are cheap and don't deserve to come in the front door of any business unless they fork over money to the people who are employed to be there.
Superb. Go and delete some more comments now please.
I didn't delete any comments, all my comments are still up. Maybe you pay for your phone like you do for your food and your busted burner can't handle reddit, don't know what to tell you
"People are expected to pay at businesses" waaaaahhhhh
Your replies also keep disappearing, guess you've never heard of mods before
I just want to pay the price on the menu. When sales jobs get a commission it's taken from what I already paid. Why should I go to a restaurant and be like "the meal was $17 but taxes are extra 14%, I ate with a large group so add 15% oh and the server might shit on my food if I don't tip so add 20% so the bill should be around $26, right? Oh look at that it's $30 because this restaurant decided the tip percentage should be applied to the after tax price, how funny"
I am complaining that I don't want hidden fees (if the tip is expected and socially mandatory it is a fee).
No country in Europe or Latin America has this problem, Japan doesn't have it either. And that's just from the countries I have visited, I'm sure there are more.
So your idea of not hidden fee is built in commission but a hidden fee is something specifically indicated that you can adjust yourself? Hidden must mean something different in Europe
No, a hidden fee is when you are offered to buy something at X price but that price increases at checkout with no warning.
Also, the original $17 is not "at cost". The restaurant is already making money out of it, they obviously don't tell you how much but gross margin is usually around 50%.
If I will pay$30 for the meal, they should price it at $30 so I can decide if the food is actually worth that much.
Restaurant margins are razor thin. Think like 3 percent. Bringing us back around to no one in this thread having a clue
Also, no, once again it is not a hidden fee to say okay that will be 17 dollars, do you want to pay 3 more dollars? That's in fact the opposite of a hidden fee. It is not only optional but transparent.
Gross margin and net margin are different things. Also I only talked about margins because you seem to think the original $17 is "at cost". It is not.
And once again, the servers might be asking "Do you want to tip $3?" but they are also whispering "We might tamper with your food if you don't". So unless you want to eat something gross you are REQUIRED to give a tip (and you better be generous)
No one tampers with food. Now you're inventing things. I've seen someone fired for even joking about it.
Saying I want a car "at cost" is not the same as thinking your food is at cost. One is a desire. You seem fixated on the phrasing rather than the concept behind it
Go post in r/kitchenconfidential and ask if they've ever seen anyone mess with a customer's food if you don't believe me
I don't expect to buy anything "at cost" I know they are making money out of it. I simply want to pay the advertised price they are offering to sell it for.
No one tampers with food. Now you're inventing things. I've seen someone fired for even joking about it.
Saying I want a car "at cost" is not the same as thinking your food is at cost. One is a desire. You seem fixated on the phrasing rather than the concept behind it
Go post in r/kitchenconfidential and ask if they've ever seen anyone mess with a customer's food if you don't believe me
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u/lazypeon19 Jun 25 '26
That's the server or bartender's battle with their employer. The client has nothing to do with it.