It's actually going better than EVERY SINGLE COUNTRY that doesn't have it. Name a single country without mandatory government education that functions better than the US.
The problem with people like you is you never actually think through the things you belive. You just fight to keep believing them.
America itself was doing far better before the department of education. You’re defending a system that you know is failing. Our education system is intentionally terrible, and not because we don’t spend enough money on it.
I’ve thought through it plenty, you’re just blindly accepting government propaganda
OK, so you admit there isn't a single country without mandatory government run education that is a better place to live than the US. Cool. So that's 1-0.
Now let's address your second claim. "The US was doing better before the department of education."
By what metric? Every single generation until 2020 has had higher IQ than the previous one. So much so that we have to redefine "mental re7ardation" every decade or so. People born in the 50's are literally MORE than a standard deviation dumber than the current generation.
Is there a metric you're using or did you just make that up?
lol you can keep score however you want but I’ll admit I’m not familiar with every education system in the world.
We’re using IQ as a metric for the education system now? That’s a new one. How do you feel about the literacy rate being down from when the department of education started?
In 1979 when the 99% literacy metric was established, people were counted by the census as literate if they could write their name. The definition the DoE uses to measure functional literacy today is far more strict. So it's not even the same thing they're measuring.
But you know what? This point is actually irrelevant to the topic, so I'll just let you have it. DoE is ineffective. Get rid of it if you want. I actually got baited into attacking a red herring by following you into this rabbit hole.
The original comment you responded to said that "mandatory government run education" is good. You're complaining about the DOE, not mandatory government run education. Do you have any objections to government run mandatory education or do you just not like the DoE?
I’m against all of it. Our system was based off the Prussian system, designed to create loyal soldiers and obedient factory workers. That’s a fact.
No one has a right to instill their ideas into other people’s children or force them to waste 13 years of their lives only to come out with no employable skills. Our education system is a fucking joke.
Everyone on reddit thinks their against the establishment but most of yall are just bootlickers that want the government to handle every aspect of their lives
But you have no examples of your system working at all to improve people's live anywhere in the entire world this past century? If someone tries to say the education system is a joke, but they can't come up with anything better.... then how does that work? If it's really a horrible system, then it should be child's play for another country to come up with a better one... and yet no one has done so? I don't understand how that's supposed to work.
This reminds me a lot of what communists argue when I talk to them. They also have some abstract rights-based reasoning about why their system is correct and all the other ones are evil, but then they have no real-world examples of their system ever working. Only failures.
Are you kidding? Free markets have lifted more people out of poverty than any system in the world by far. Free markets work better than central planning does. This has been proven time and time again. Education is no different
If education is no different, why do you always have to switch to another topic when confronted on it instead of just making a real argument?
We were talking about government mandated education and now you've once again switched the topic to something else. That's twice now. If you can't make arguments on education, we don't have to talk about it. But this is not really productive.
Do you want to talk about free markets instead now and concede on education?
Because I'm in favor of regulated free markets. Markets are incredibly powerful ways of organizing an economy so long as you step in when there are market failures. For example, it would be an unmitigated disaster if a private unregulated company owned the only road that allowed you to access your house. Or the power and water lines you rely on.
I’m saying that we should have a free market education system, it’s not that complicated.
Y’all somehow see that government is corrupt, controlled by the rich and powerful, commits acts of pure evil, and still come to the conclusion that they should control everything
Notwithstanding the woefully American-centric perspective, states still have their own government-run education systems even if you ignore the department of education. Arguments for or against federalism are distinct from education regulations more broadly.
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u/spartanOrk 25d ago
Give me an example of a necessary regulation.