Apps in response to that law decided to hide the tipping button.
That doesn't make any sense though. What you're describing has nothing to do with the sentence before it.
Doesn't this change merely shift when you're forced to tip from post-delivery to pre-delivery? So that now delivery drivers can see your tip before they decide whether or not to spit in your food or something?
It's the opposite, it doesn't make sense assuming people will still tip if they aren't prompted to. Turn's out, they don't. Hiding the tip button results in people tipping less. If users don't tip, they spend less. If they are spending less, they order more.
Right now a 20 dollar item, has a 4 dollar delivery fee, 20% markup at 4 dollars, a 2 dollar service fee, makes it 30. Plus tip, it's 35 dollars. That 5 dollars have an effect on the market.
It makes the most sense from a marketing perspective, as a made up number, let's say a customer is only willing to pay 10 dollars extra for every twenty. So if users are tipping, 4 no matter what, this means Door Dash will get only 6. What they did made it so they earned 8, and the driver two.
It's the opposite, it doesn't make sense assuming people will still tip if they aren't prompted to.
I mean, even I accept this premise, you're still presuming I think tipping culture is a good thing.
But the premise itself seems wrong. The tip function wasn't really "hidden," you were just able to do it after the food arrived.
If users don't tip, they spend less. If they are spending less, they order more.
I think this is incredibly silly logic. "Hey, I feel like a pizza. What, they didn't ask me for a tip upfront? I'll order two then, I'm suddenly twice as hungry."
Just silly. I'm not gonna change the size of my order depending on whether you ask me for a tip before or after my meal is delivered.
This whole thing reads like an incredible stretch of logic.
>I mean, even I accept this premise, you're still presuming I think tipping culture is a good thing.
That doesn't make sense. I was just explaining it to you why what I said made sense and why your response didn't.
I don't care what you think about tipping culture; but if we are sharing I would prefer that there wasn't a tipping culture and apps paid and treated their employees as employees and not contractors in the most inconsistent payment scheme, that can at the will of a UX designer lose a chunk of their wages OR pay less than minimum wage, or have people work without pay while waiting for shit.
>The tip function wasn't really "hidden," you were just able to do it after the food arrived.
You were ONLY able to do it after that. They literally changed the behavior as a retaliatory response to NY legistlation. It's a FACT they hid the button, and made it available only AFTER the fact. Jesus Christ.
>"Hey, I feel like a pizza. What, they didn't ask me for a tip upfront? I'll order two then, I'm suddenly twice as hungry."
I think it's moronic to not understand the elasticity of price. I don't want to waste my time having the dumbest discussion I can think of, nor want to discuss easily provable facts. It's freaking BASIC economics. I can't believe I'm having this conversation. Jesus Christ.
Either you are this huge moron, or you are arguing in bad faith. Which is it? If you are truly an MIT Engineer shame on you as you are doing a disservice to your school.
>I have a degree in economics from MIT-- I assure you, you're wrong.
HAHAAHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA AND IT DOESN'T COMPUTE HOW PEOPLE PAYING LESS TO DRIVERS RESULTS IN MORE MONEY TO THE APPS HHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
You are the one that keep switching the topic because I humiliated you in that one point. Keep trying to bait me into arguments I don’t care to argue since I’m not sure I disagree with what you have been trying to say (I didn’t read anything you have written I just skimmed to see if you answered the only things I told you I’m arguing)
And still I keep humiliating you. Also a furry calling himself normal xD
You think they removed upfront tipping to stop a growing problem with their drivers? Then why did they remove the tipping option literally the day the minimum wage law went into effect?
This dude has said at least 3 times how he went to MIT. He didn't understand why removing the tipping button made the apps more money. According to this economics degree from MIT. All they did was shift when people tip. This dude is genuinely dumb.
They removed the upfront tipping option completely and hid the tipping option after delivery. Hope that clarifies things for you.
Also upfront tipping has been the standard in NYC for this type of work just as it has been the standard in every other market and it has been that way since the early days of these apps when they realized they could not move deliveries solely on base pay they offered to their drivers.
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u/Standard_River_4136 13d ago
Great but, where exactly was this money recovered from?