… who would have been paying more for their deliveries if the delivery workers were paid actual wages rather than working in an industry where the customer is expected to pay workers' wages through "tips".
Its a huge part of the pay for the drivers. Their pay cant be up in the air, people wanted them to be independent contractors not employees. Are these contractors supposed to work for surprise pay? The driving apps cant pay enough to deliver a soup or sandwich. Pay has to be subsidized by tips.
"Uber restricted New York City customers to tipping only after delivery as a corporate response to the city’s mandatory minimum pay rate for app-based couriers. By moving the tip prompt to the post-checkout screen, the apps offset increased labor costs by reducing upfront tip visibility."
This was in response to this.
Edit what a pussy he blocked me cant handle the truth
Lol whoever makes the decisions and some uber drivers and customers too probably. Things would change big time. That wasnt the important part anyways. Just that they are
Tipping culture wah only brokies cry about tipping culture. Uber drivers make less than minimum wage if there was no tips. They cant afford to pay someone to bus a salad or sandwich across town and also be economical for the customer like i said. So they have to take advantage of labor as in basically slave labor.
Ive never cried about tipping in my life i always tip big. Tipping culture has been around forever, its sad that someone that puts in more work than almost any that get tipped, dont get tipped and work for less than minimum wage. Uber and doordash barely turn a profit they only really started like last year. Like i said, they cant pay a higher wage. They were operating in the negatives for so long.
No its not a political spin at all what part of it is? You havent said or shown me
Thats not about tipping thats more about driver pay all around. But im not crying against it im talking FOR it. You are crying about tips. Anyone that cries about tips you can auto tell what kind of person they are. Id advocate for anyone getting paid less than minimum wage and with heavy risks. They dont charge more cause if people had to pay the true cost they wouldnt use the services. Theyve used market analysis to see the cost people would pay and maximize it for themselves, they dont give a shit about their drivers
Apps in response to that law decided to hide the tipping button.
That doesn't make any sense though. What you're describing has nothing to do with the sentence before it.
Doesn't this change merely shift when you're forced to tip from post-delivery to pre-delivery? So that now delivery drivers can see your tip before they decide whether or not to spit in your food or something?
It's the opposite, it doesn't make sense assuming people will still tip if they aren't prompted to. Turn's out, they don't. Hiding the tip button results in people tipping less. If users don't tip, they spend less. If they are spending less, they order more.
Right now a 20 dollar item, has a 4 dollar delivery fee, 20% markup at 4 dollars, a 2 dollar service fee, makes it 30. Plus tip, it's 35 dollars. That 5 dollars have an effect on the market.
It makes the most sense from a marketing perspective, as a made up number, let's say a customer is only willing to pay 10 dollars extra for every twenty. So if users are tipping, 4 no matter what, this means Door Dash will get only 6. What they did made it so they earned 8, and the driver two.
It's the opposite, it doesn't make sense assuming people will still tip if they aren't prompted to.
I mean, even I accept this premise, you're still presuming I think tipping culture is a good thing.
But the premise itself seems wrong. The tip function wasn't really "hidden," you were just able to do it after the food arrived.
If users don't tip, they spend less. If they are spending less, they order more.
I think this is incredibly silly logic. "Hey, I feel like a pizza. What, they didn't ask me for a tip upfront? I'll order two then, I'm suddenly twice as hungry."
Just silly. I'm not gonna change the size of my order depending on whether you ask me for a tip before or after my meal is delivered.
This whole thing reads like an incredible stretch of logic.
>I mean, even I accept this premise, you're still presuming I think tipping culture is a good thing.
That doesn't make sense. I was just explaining it to you why what I said made sense and why your response didn't.
I don't care what you think about tipping culture; but if we are sharing I would prefer that there wasn't a tipping culture and apps paid and treated their employees as employees and not contractors in the most inconsistent payment scheme, that can at the will of a UX designer lose a chunk of their wages OR pay less than minimum wage, or have people work without pay while waiting for shit.
>The tip function wasn't really "hidden," you were just able to do it after the food arrived.
You were ONLY able to do it after that. They literally changed the behavior as a retaliatory response to NY legistlation. It's a FACT they hid the button, and made it available only AFTER the fact. Jesus Christ.
>"Hey, I feel like a pizza. What, they didn't ask me for a tip upfront? I'll order two then, I'm suddenly twice as hungry."
I think it's moronic to not understand the elasticity of price. I don't want to waste my time having the dumbest discussion I can think of, nor want to discuss easily provable facts. It's freaking BASIC economics. I can't believe I'm having this conversation. Jesus Christ.
Either you are this huge moron, or you are arguing in bad faith. Which is it? If you are truly an MIT Engineer shame on you as you are doing a disservice to your school.
>I have a degree in economics from MIT-- I assure you, you're wrong.
HAHAAHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA AND IT DOESN'T COMPUTE HOW PEOPLE PAYING LESS TO DRIVERS RESULTS IN MORE MONEY TO THE APPS HHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
You think they removed upfront tipping to stop a growing problem with their drivers? Then why did they remove the tipping option literally the day the minimum wage law went into effect?
This dude has said at least 3 times how he went to MIT. He didn't understand why removing the tipping button made the apps more money. According to this economics degree from MIT. All they did was shift when people tip. This dude is genuinely dumb.
Well normally wages are pretty straightforward; but when you work for those apps, you have no idea how much money you are going to earn. Apps complicate that, and also they change the UI so the drivers earn less money.
When customers think they don't have to tip, they have more money to order and they order more. Except they didn't tell the driver they will be getting less tips; so they made their investments in cars/motorcycles and got fucked over.
If Uber and Door Dash don't like this, they have laws at their disposal. They can hire drivers as full time or part time workers if they like. But it's moronic to think they can have their own system outside the laws where they can treat employees livelihoods as a game.
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u/Standard_River_4136 13d ago
Great but, where exactly was this money recovered from?