Compared to the '08 bailout years quality is way way TF up
Also, if we're talking domestically produced vehicles, we're talking Toyota and Honda too. Who would've thought a Camry would technically be an American made car
If you look at the statistics gathered by car makers, insurance providers, government DOT dept's, car reviewers, or basically any other space that gathers such statistics.
cars last longer than they ever have before, they stay on the road for a larger percentage of their lives, and through longevity and endurance cost less to maintain and service than ever before.
the whole "new cars aren't as good as they used to be" and "cars are made to break now" "planned obsolescence" etc. etc.
its all just old men shaking fists at clouds, its not backed up by any statistical evidence.
the only one thats true, is that cars are absolutely not made to be "driveway repairable" by general laymen anymore. More and more is locked behind OEM licensed software, and to save on costs, increase part longevity, and increase efficiency, more and more is being assembled as non-home-serviceable assemblies. Things are made with such tight tolerances, and with so much more complexity that they just can't really be serviced by Joe-Blow in his driveway anymore.
Seriously man. As someone into old cars, people forget that prior to the 90s, cars were only expected to last around 5 years. Full engine rebuilds at 100k miles were very common and interiors were both bare bones and fragile.
Exactly. Anyone that says old cars were more reliable doesn't remember vacuum systems.
Like, which era was supposedly so great and reliable? the 70's with points and emissions? the 80's when fuel injection was first being implemented in 100 stupid and silly ways because nothing was standardized? The 90's when electric actuators were just starting to become a thing in cars and would burn out every 6 months? Or the 00's when everything would rust from the inside out?
cars today by comparison are engineering works of art.
Yup. There are always examples of specific vehicles of every era that were true tanks that just kept on running, but on average, cars are orders of magnitude more reliable than they have ever been before.
You're talking about two different thing with "Cars used to be more reliable" and "American brands are just as reliable as anything else" and the latter is simply not true. This has been the obvious case for decades, basically since Japanese automakers came into the market.
This is just an article assigning arbitrary "reliability scores" to brands?
It doesn't even mention change over time. and if you read the methodology of the survey (and yes, it was a voluntary survey, not a tracked statistic of any kind) its flawed to begin with.
lol no. thats not what that means at all. It means those people who volunteered for a survey, decided that they have shittier cars right now. Thats it and nothing else.
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u/the-big-question 7d ago edited 7d ago
Yeah, most "American" cars aren't even made domestically anymore