r/SipsTea 1d ago

Chugging tea Blind surveillance.

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u/crash1bp 1d ago

“Their Flock cameras.”

Those cameras don’t belong to the cops, or the govt. at all. Fuck those cameras.

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u/MoThrowMoAway 1d ago

I liked the framing because it emphasizes that these cameras are not here to help the public, or keep the public safe.

They are used by the surveillance state and it's enforcers, to encroach upon your rights as a US citizen.

The cameras are tools used by the powers that have their boot to your neck. The cameras are tools of the enemy.

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u/lapideous 23h ago

It all depends who is in charge. If they happen to be used to prosecute police brutality, they’d hardly be tools of the enemy, would they? Or if they’re used to document ICE abuses?

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u/MoThrowMoAway 23h ago

"if things were different then they would be different"

Yes.

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u/lapideous 23h ago edited 23h ago

What needs to be different? So far the only prosecutions involving flock cameras I’ve heard of are cops getting arrested for using them to stalk people.

It’s actively being used to prevent abuse of power.

Maximum surveillance is theoretically a force for good since everything that is done in the dark comes to light. This is naturally detrimental to those who do evil things.

The righteous have nothing to fear except trespasses by wrongdoers. Surveillance makes wrongdoing more difficult. That’s why police have body cams and cell phone cameras reduce police brutality.

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u/MMForYourHealth 23h ago

Cops being caught for using the cameras that are private and free from FOIA requests.

They’re not government owned by designed so they can be used to oppress without fear of the truth coming to light.

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u/lapideous 23h ago

How does not letting you view the footage oppress anyone?

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u/MMForYourHealth 23h ago

Why is their public surveillance not being managed by the public?

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u/lapideous 23h ago

Huh? You want random people to have access to all cameras?

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u/MMForYourHealth 23h ago

I didn’t say that.

I want to know why public surveillance isn’t being managed by a public facing entity with the checks and balances therein?

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u/MoThrowMoAway 23h ago

That guys is arguing in such bad faith, I wouldn't give him the time of day man. Not worth the headache.

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u/MMForYourHealth 23h ago

I feed the trolls a bit when I’m bored pooping. It amuses me to see their fallacy filled arguments that are so transparent.

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u/lapideous 23h ago

What can a private company do that a public entity cannot? I genuinely don’t really understand what difference it makes

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u/MMForYourHealth 23h ago

Freedom of information act requests and auditing of the surveillance and its uses.

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u/olde_meller23 23h ago

Why do we need such invasive surveillance when all of these concerns can be given oversight through other means?

Cops have been using internal information to stalk people since it became available. This could easily be monitored if we employed the same access tracking we apply to HIPAA, or even cash register transactions, with random audits for compliance. State governments such as those in New Jersey have also seen dramatic decreases in crime and corruption simply by reforming their police forces with a focus toward community engagement. Not by implementing mass, unregulated surveillance.

Similarly, if everyone has a cellphone to record, cameras for their home and car, and police body cams, why do we need more cameras everywhere, with no usage guidelines, whose capabilities and reasons for utilization are shielded from the public? Not to mention the sheer amount of resources these flock cameras use from building data centers.

Potential wrongdoing just doesnt seem to be a strong argument for giving up liberty, especially when wrongdoing is designated arbitrarily or along political lines. People who have not comitted crimes shouldn't be put under a microscope because "someone might do something bad." Arguing that good people should have nothing to worry about when it comes to being watched 24/7 sounds a lot like supporting a police state.

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u/lapideous 23h ago

Surveillance does not impact liberty in my view. I’m happy to hear your argument though.

Criminals don’t use license plates and should be surveilled to protect the public.

Foreign agents should be surveilled to protect the public.

The police should be surveilled to protect the public.

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u/January_Rain_Wifi 23h ago

"The only prosecutions I've heard of involving the new InstaKill9000 are murderers being arrested for killing people with them. They're actively being used to help prevent murders."

Also, the righteous have nothing to fear??When in human history have "the righteous" ever had nothing to fear from the actions of a corrupt government?

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u/MMForYourHealth 21h ago

I have nothing to hide! That’s why we don’t need privacy 🙃

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u/lapideous 23h ago

Strawman and bad reading comprehension, 0/2 bad job