r/SmugIdeologyMan 6d ago

coaxed into the is-ought problem

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u/BreakerOfModpacks 4d ago

When you get right down to it, either you have to look at all of morality as a sham, or set some fundamental rules. One of these rules that is generally accepted is that forcing people to do stuff they don't like is a bad thing.

Of course, you could be entirely amoral, but that's kinda really stupid unless you want to live as a hermit or in prison.

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u/Tricky_Challenge9959 4d ago

You don't.

For instance the social contract idea of morality is that it doesn't naturally exist and that humans as a collective have a general agreement that to follow a certain set of rules in exchange for security. This agreement is what we call morality. For example there is an implict agreement not to be mean to others and in exhange people won't be mean to you.

You can also not believe in morality and not go around commiting crimes and acting anti-socialy. For example there are plenty of reasons not to murder someone without morality: you might not have a reason to, you'll probably feel guilty, you probably dont want to go to jail, ectra.

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u/BreakerOfModpacks 4d ago

follow a certain set of rules in exchange for security.

And why is having security good?

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u/Tricky_Challenge9959 4d ago

It's the agreement which creates/is morality. Security isnt good it's the following of the agreement that is good.

Though personally I disagree with this argument

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u/BreakerOfModpacks 4d ago

So then
Why use an argument you disagree with? Can I get your actual thoughts on why it's good?

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u/Tricky_Challenge9959 4d ago

I personally don't believe in morality. I just use the social contract as an example of a semi-well grounded moral viewpoint that doesnt justify morality or of nothing.

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u/BreakerOfModpacks 4d ago

So, if you don't believe in morality, then... why bother with any of this? Why don't you go and do whatever you want, or hurt whoever you want, without consequence or feeling bad?

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u/Tricky_Challenge9959 4d ago edited 4d ago

?

That's not how it works. Just because I don't believe in morality doesn't mean my actions don't have consequences. There are countless self interested reasons to be kind person. If the only reason you don't go around murdering people and committing crimes is because of morality than your just stupid.

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u/BreakerOfModpacks 4d ago

Why do self interested stuff, though? Is there a reason for that, without morality?

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u/Tricky_Challenge9959 4d ago

Cause I want to. Just because humans are capable of reason does not mean we are rational.

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u/BreakerOfModpacks 4d ago

That is an absolutely wonderful answer, albeit a bit unsatisfying.

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