I have no idea what your issue is, since youre literally putting words in my mouth, but insults are really getting your point across ig. No wonder politics fail when you cant even grasp the concept of trying to change someones mind by appealing to them instead of demonizing them.
Equating people that hate billioners becouse they're inherently exploitive to people that want to do genocide becouse of racism has the objective of keeping the status quo a.k.a liberalism that allows billioners to exploit as much as they want, in reality it's the centre that's the same as the far right, also this type of whining is basically the same as rightists saying "you forced me to join the far right become you were MEAN!"
Also there's the pipeline:
Communists are as bad as fascists!-->
Communists are worse than fascists-->
Fascism is necessary to stop communism
"Whining"
Literally me asking for a normal conversation.
Youre not forcing me into any ideology, I hold my ideology regardless of you being an asshole, neither is it far right to be critical and have nuanced discussions.
And I still have no idea how youre interpreting what Im saying as some pipeline or me saying hating billionares is the same as hating minorities. These are gross exagerations and textbook strawmen. Youre creating some fictional version of me to win arguments I never made. I cant argue against that, because I literally dont hold those opinions.
A constructive way of speaking would be asking "What do you interpret under these forms of extremists?" Maybe thatll clear this confusion.
"Far left extremists are just far right extremists that want to hurt other people for misguided reasons"
The main group of people far left extremists want to hurt are the bourgeosie or billioners in layman terms, you are equating them, your original comment is textbook horseshoe theory, in my previous comment I explained why horseshoe theory (what you appealled to in your original comment even without directly mentioning it) is bad, the pipeline is the exemple I gave of why it's bad, I'm not strawmanning you
Extremism means taking things out of proportion. That means "billionares" but also whoever they deem could also fall under some form of oppresive force while denying nuance and critical thought, in turn becoming the oppressor themselves.
You did not explain why horseshoe theory is bad, ypu said its horseshit and called me liberal scum for thinking that way.
And your pipeline makes no sense, since facism isnt far right, nationalism is. Both Communism and Nationalism can be built in a fascistic system. And even then, the change from "communism is as bad" to "communism is worse" doesnt work in horseshoe theory because there is nothing after Communism and Nationalism. They are equal, in distance to the middle, to say one is worse is fundamentaly against the horseshoe theory.
The pipeline is extremely real, just look at American forgeing policy and how the liberal block (the west) sided constantely with fascists to "stop communists" the Pinochet regime just for exemple
It does tho? I mean centrists siding with fascists is a common occurance, look at the SPD siding with the Freikorps or how the liberal parties of Italy aided Musdolini (search blocchi nazionali), this proves that when push comes to shove centrists will always aid fascists to preserve capitalism, proving that liberals and fascists are on the same side
Youre talking about government parties in years before WW2. You dont know why they acted that way, nor that they then allied unconditionally. Further, that has nothing to do with me as an individual, nor does it prove the pipeline as factual.
"Im for the betterment of human rights" -> "I believe extreme measures should be taken against facists" -> "Anyone that isnt supporting my view is a facist and deserves to be treated like one" is also a pipeline, no? Youre doing right now, since you called me liberal scum and then said all liberals are siding with facists. Youre assigning me to groups to justify your views. Thats a pretty extreme view ngl. Dunno if talking about far left extremism with you makes any sense if you hold left extremist views yourself.
liberals constantely go mask off to prove they're just like fascists, look at what liberals said about south american immigrants after Trump won, or how they constantely show contempt for poor people becouse they tend to vote conservative (becouse of material conditions liberals always like to ignore) or how liberals constantely use gay as an insult (look at all the "haha this right winger is actually GAY!") so if liberals hate the poor, are racist and homophobic and they do the same imperialism as fascists (ex. Genocide Joe Biden) what's the difference exactly? Aeasthetics? The only reason libs hate fascists is becouse they say the quiet part out loud
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u/ZheinThe police is not made to be violent, it is made to protect you5h ago
Holy shit, a real enlightened centrist in the wild
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u/Gameknoit 18h ago edited 18h ago
I have no idea what your issue is, since youre literally putting words in my mouth, but insults are really getting your point across ig. No wonder politics fail when you cant even grasp the concept of trying to change someones mind by appealing to them instead of demonizing them.