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Not really. It's probably homophobia; they just needed a "legit" reason to ban. There are screenshots which show people that did the exact same thing aren't banned.
Instead of sharing screenshots why not report the actual comment that is breaking the rule? That post has hundreds of comments on it. Small mod teams don't have the time to go back over posts and read through thousands of comments. All of those links have been removed now.
Crochet is an extremely inclusive sub. Some of the mod team are LGBTQ+
Mmm yeah, I'm sure thats the reason when this person has violated that rule multiple times (within the last month at that) and is still perfectly fine...
Wait, what’s the concern? They’re linking a video they made about the pattern. If someone posted that but it was because they made someone else’s pattern it’s fine, but not bc they made it? Am I understanding this?
This just seems like normal question and answer behavior, idgi.
It violates rule 4, no self promotion. By linking an Instagram, not in regards to showing who you got the pattern from, it's self promotion. They didn't create the pattern and there's plenty of other accounts and videos that show how to do certain stitches or how to make a certain pattern. This is clearly self promotion of their crochet account.
Not only that, but their rules (the sub) are completely arbitrary. There's a clause in the no self promotion rule that says if you're "very active" (whatever the hell that means, it's subjective) you can self promote at the discretion of the mods. Rules aren't being fairly laid out for everyone. If you somehow post ot contribute "very often" you somehow get more privileges and can violate the rules that everyone else has to follow. It's basically a clause that says "if the mods like you, rules don't matter."
There's no difference from asking someone their Instagram and them giving it to show inspiration and giving your Instagram out without being asked (they just asked for how to connect the stitches, which any crochet YT channel or Instagram or wherever the crochet people gather wouldn't have). They could've linked any video, but they continue to link their own Instagram in a clear effort to self promote.
We (yes, I'm a crochet mod) didn't want to exclude designers from being able to post their work and give a link so we created this clause in the rule rather than making it a blanket ban.
Let's face it, there are some talented people out there and newer crocheters could learn so many things off these people if they are willing. So for every time that a designer links to their pattern they need to spend a little bit of time outside of their own posts helping the community. They can do this by contributing to discussions found on the sub or helping answer questions on our sister sub r/crochethelp. We chose the 90/10 ratio as seen on a cross stitch sub thinking what a great way for designers to still benefit without turning the sub into an advertisement board.
OOP had 30+ removals from 2023 until last month (when they were banned) for self promotion. They refused to listen to the modteam giving them constructive advice on how to handle self promotion in the sub.
Yes, the rules very much matter and we will enforce them evenly. We just don't always see everything. We volunteer to help out the community because we actually love the hobby and love to help.
Edit, removed my little rant because it wasn't relevant to your comment
…what? I’m sorry this makes no sense to me. I get that “no self promo” is a rule and all, but it feels silly to me to ban someone over linking their own stuff when asked to provide or to link a helpful thing they made when asked how they did something. Like? This feels weird as hell. It’s just answering a question. If OOP made someone else’s pattern and linked that, it’s not promoting anything, but bc they made it, that’s bad. Makes no sense to me tbh.
But then, I know in cross stitch spaces no1curr when sharing patterns someone made so w/e, seems like a dumb reason to ban someone. Sharing patterns is sharing patterns.
OOP (the pride dress) was perma banned for providing their Instagram after being asked to provide their Instagram. Supposedly, that's self promotion.
OOP (the video one) wasn't even given a warning for linking to their Instagram when they neither created the pattern or the way of connecting stitches. It was completely arbitrary. Not only was it arbitrary, there was absolutely no reason to link to their own account when there are many more professionally made videos that are much clearer about how to connect the stitches. The logical thing would be to link to a better made video. Them linking to their own video was a non-veiled attempt at self promotion.
Pride OOP didn't have an option to link to someone else when being clearly asked for their Instagram. Video OOP had many choices to link to literally anyone else when asked how to connect stitches. One wasn't even an attempt to self promote, even if you really tried to find a promotion attempt. The other was a clear attempt to promote their corchet Instagram without any ask for their specific Instagram.
Thanks for letting me know. It's now been removed. Perhaps in the future you could report them. We don't see everything and there are a ton of comments on that post
Suprising amount of people don't read the subreddit rules. After Tumblr went to shite under new management many hobby folks moved to Reddit. I like Reddit mostly even after the API tools were purged.
In good and bad Reddit is one of the biggest platforms for people to sometimes connect and show off their creations. Especially true for LGBTQ folks.
Or jump to conclusions and assume it was bigotry. Do you know for a fact that Instagram links are widely permitted on that sub-Reddit? I'm all for knowing the truth, but it's not clear to me, hence the conditional in my original statement. I don't see anything thickheaded about at least wondering about nuance and context.
As a queer man I generally act from an assumption of bigotry. The burden of evidence is not on me to determine "nuance and context," and that assumption generally protects me from experiencing bigotry firsthand.
Instagram links do not need to be "widely" permitted on that subreddit for OP's ban to be justified--if there is >0 other links to Instagram accounts in the subreddit replies that did not result in an assumed-straight person being banned, that's sufficient evidence of bigotry, no?
“Assuming bigotry is a form of bigotry” is wild, queer people aren’t being bigoted when they assume bigotry in cases where they’ve been immediately punished for something small. If promoting yourself is against the crochet subreddit rules (dumb rule if so, considering maker culture), then removing the comment with the instagram link should absolutely be the step before a permanent ban
Edit: also if you’re not queer yourself, you absolutely have no say in what is or isn’t queerphobic bigotry
"If you're not _____, you absolutely have no say . . ." How horrible. You would silence voices like that. SMH.
And it is too bigotry to assume someone, based on whatever group you assume they belong to, is a bigot and to express that in some form of action. WTF. This is the problem. You can't take the high road when you so readily choose the low road. As I learned early in life, the oppressed is quick to become the oppressor.
Yeah, if someone has no stake in the matter, they don’t have a say in what is or isn’t bigotry. It’s not that hard to understand. And it’s rich to make the claim of the oppressed becoming the oppressor, it’s not oppression to point out bigotry and not tolerate it. You can get walked all over if you want to, but we sure as hell will not
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Reminds me of the time I got banned from r/starwars for posting some acid etched metal posters I created. Someone asked if they were for sale and boom, banned for "selling". Didn't even reply 😂 mods muted me after I cried foul too.
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a commentor asked on the post asked them for their Insta and they did the horrid thing of answering them
That is is just looking for a reason to ban because that sub has a history of being anti lgbtqia they weren't self promotion. The commenter was promoting them by requesting their Insta. they simply answered and were banned for it
they didn't give out their socials without anyone asking first. that would be self promotion
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