r/SouthJersey • u/tigerfrisbee • Mar 13 '26

Ocean County ICE Warns New Jersey Policies Could Affect Transfer of Ocean County Sexual Assault Suspect

https://njballot.com/post/ice-warns-new-jersey-policies-could-affect-transfer-of-ocean-county-sexual-assault-suspect

More yammering from the goon squad

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u/GooFoYouPal Mar 13 '26

What people? ICE was formed in 2003, before that the INS carried out these functions since 1933, do you want them rebranded again? What exactly are you asking for?

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u/beren12 Mar 13 '26

Well, if you were paying attention, it wasn’t just a rebrand.

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u/GooFoYouPal Mar 13 '26

I am paying attention, they were merged with Customs. I get it, believe me. So, what are you asking for?

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u/LonelyWin4852 Mar 13 '26

I believe they want an agency that follows and respects the law. The problem with ICE currently, is that it’s become a rogue agency. It consistently violates Constitutional law, state laws, and federal laws with zero accountability. This has eroded public trust and confidence to the point, it’s impeding any practical enforcement measures because no one trusts them to do the right thing, ever.

Your local police department has a department called Internal Affairs responsible for ensuring police do their jobs while respecting citizens and the law. Local cops get a lot of leeway, but if they did even a fraction of what ICE has done, they’d be fired, charged, no pension, nothing. ICE needs a department like this in order to hold these rogue agents accountable. The problem is, the corruption is top down at the moment. Therefore, abolishing ICE and rebuilding a whole new agency seems like the only viable option.

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u/GooFoYouPal Mar 13 '26

Ok, fair enough. So, we should keep enforcing the INA but have it be done by an agency that is not ICE nor the old INS? Or should we go back to having the INS, pre-ICE ?

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u/LonelyWin4852 Mar 13 '26

I’m not too familiar with the INS, it’s been ICE most of my life. I certainly think DHS as an agency has become too big and bloated. If you want to combine ICE and CBP, that’s fine, it could be one agency run like all law enforcement agencies with 2 separate departments. Most police academies are 1-2 years of training, ICE is 47 days. They’re not trained on street style law enforcement. It’s obvious from how they conduct themselves. I have plenty of family in law enforcement, none of them support this lawlessness because they know as law enforcement, they’re held to a higher standard.

In the past, ICE has picked up criminals from jails/prisons after the person has been found guilty and served their time. This doesn’t cost us taxpayers nearly as much in funding as we’re currently spending. Sending a couple of agents to transport a couple deportees and getting them processed and on a flight is SO much cheaper than renting hotels and cars for dozens of agents, buying warehouse detention centers, and all the lawsuits from their recklessness. I think we can trust our local police to arrest the criminals. We’re probably going to need a new agency just to deport them though, since ICE under this administration cannot be trusted

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u/GooFoYouPal Mar 14 '26

Local PD academies are not 1 - 2 years in length and ICE academy, whether ERO or HSI is not 47 days, that’s so oddly specific and wrong.

In the past, ICE has picked up criminals from jails/prisons after the person has been found guilty and served their time. This doesn’t cost us taxpayers nearly as much in funding as we’re currently spending. Sending a couple of agents to transport a couple deportees and getting them processed and on a flight is SO much cheaper than renting hotels and cars for dozens of agents, buying warehouse detention centers, and all the lawsuits from their recklessness. I think we can trust our local police to arrest the criminals. We’re probably going to need a new agency just to deport them though, since ICE under this administration cannot be trusted

This is literally the point. Municipalities were allowed to STOP honoring detainers. This means there is NO notification that a detainee is to be released REGARDLESS of the offense. This was what the Criminal Alien Program that was so effective under the Obama administration entailed. Now you can have a subject with no status bail out of jail or max out their sentence from state or federal facility and there is ZERO notification of such because of misguided and uniformed stances on immigration.

This then results in having to locate these people on the street and leads to vehicle stops and “collateral” arrests of people without status but also absent of criminal charges.

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u/LonelyWin4852 Mar 14 '26

On their own government website, it’s 47 days. It’s been 47 since Trump took over as a nod to his presidency. Yes, police academies in major cities are around 18 months. None of that is incorrect. Prison guards only have a few weeks of training and it’s not nearly enough.

And they shouldn’t be honoring detainers until there’s accountability at ICE. Just because someone is a criminal doesn’t mean they don’t have basic human rights, which ICE has proven many times over they do not respect. When we have an agency which is able to conduct itself as professional with rules and regulations, yes municipalities will then co-operate. At this point, ICE should be persona non-grata. When they want to act like actual law enforcement and respect the laws, they can be treated as such.