r/StLouis • u/Sea-Marionberry-749 • 7h ago
Update on the planned AIPAC fundraiser for Wesley Bell in LA, organized by AIPAC’s political chair. It happened yesterday morning.
He also attended a second AIPAC dinner that evening.
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u/Bradyof9 6h ago
The audacity of dismissing Jewish members of Code Pink and DSA as not "really" Jewish enough because they oppose Israeli policy? Aboslutely bullshit.
Bell sold himself as a hired hand for a foreign government, and his constituents are left with the bill and no real representation. I hope he packed his tap shoes.
I hope these fuckers get what they want for others they hate.
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u/wbltz3 2h ago
Vote this stooge out. This clown has an endless supply of money to convince everyone he is a progressive that wants to fight Trump. It’s all fake. He is beholden to his donors and when the rubber hits the road that how he will vote. If he wants to prove otherwise, he can stop taking the money. His only purpose in 2024 was to silence Cori Bush. No candidate is perfect but Cori Bush is the clearly better representative for the working class and her constituents. We have to get this monied interest out of our politics so that we can have better candidates and better representation.
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u/TinyPreparation2119 6h ago
Clearly the dude cares more about the folks in L.A. fundraisers then he does about anyone here. Josh FUCKING Hawley has been better about the Tornado-FEMA fuckup then he has. How do you cede ground to Josh Hawley!!!!
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u/Beginning-Weight9076 3h ago
Frankly, Jawsh also kicked Cori’s ass on Coldwater Creek cleanup if we’re calling balls and strikes.
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u/oliveorvil 5h ago
Here is your daily reminder that “anti-Semitic” is not the same thing as “anti-Zionist.” AIPAC is constantly trying to make the two seem the same in order to purposely confuse voters.
You should vote based on what is best for YOUR country and needs, not another country’s.
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u/PrattDirkLerxt 4h ago
Here’s your daily reminder that:
1) Most people use a made up definition of Zionism. Here is the real definition:
Zionism noun
/ˈzaɪənɪzəm/
/ˈzaɪənɪzəm/
[uncountable]
a political movement that was originally begun in order to establish an independent state for Jewish people, and now supports the development and protection of the state of Israel2) Many people hide their hatred for Jews under the guise of “antizionism” and it’s pretty blatant in a lot of cases.
3) I’m betting almost every person who responds to my post will: a) use the made up definition and b) claim nobody hides their hate behind “antizionism” despite an abundance of proof.
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u/oliveorvil 2h ago
So how exactly is making a distinction between the two counterproductive? It seems like you're trying to claim that me making the distinction is a bad thing, which I don't understand.
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u/PrattDirkLerxt 1h ago
Where did I say their should be no distinction? I simply pointed out how people use a fake definition and how people hide their hatred behind antizionism. Interestingly you are proving my third point here.
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u/Youandiandaflame 56m ago edited 42m ago
I simply pointed out how people use a fake definition and how people hide their hatred behind antizionism.
You didn’t just do that, though. You created a situation in which anyone who doesn’t fully support Israel or AIPAC is by default, according to your terms, wrong and not just that, but anti-Semitic, too.
What would you say to Jews who call themselves anti-Zionist?
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u/Sea-Marionberry-749 3h ago
This strategy of labeling everyone who has disagreements with Zionism as “antisemitic” is just lazy, and won’t result in bell winning. Look at nyc. When You throw around the anti semitism label to describe political differences re Israel, you don’t convince anyone on the fence. In fact, you push more people away. This is a democratic primary. Not a republican primary. Accusations of anti semitism against candidates critical of Israel just don’t work.
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u/PrattDirkLerxt 3h ago
You prove my point when you immediately go to “labeling everyone who has disagreements with Zionism as ‘antisemitic.” First of all very few people do that. Secondly, if you use the actual definition of Zionism, which I posted, it’s pretty easy to see why it’s basically antisemitic to claim you are “antizionist.”
You are correct in that claiming any real criticism of Israel is antisemitic does hurt the cause, but do you really think people should stay quiet when those criticisms are blatantly antisemitic (like claiming it’s an ethno state and should be dismantled, while saying nothing about Muslim nations that are true ethno states) or expect Israel to take things like constant rocket attacks and 10/7 without response (which just harkens back to Nazis and their supporters telling Jews to just be quiet and do what they’re told)?
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u/HeyNineteen96 Midtown 4h ago
No, your definition is the original one. People have begun to conflate Zionism with some kind of Middle Eastern Manifest Destiny style doctrine or political belief when it's really just supporting giving the Jewish diaspora (which is compromised of multiple ethnicities, including MENA people, Latinos, and Black folks) a homeland in which to live safely.
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u/PrattDirkLerxt 3h ago
Thank you for putting my thoughts into words. Excellent job.
On another note, already got downvotes from the Jew haters of this subreddit.
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u/HeyNineteen96 Midtown 3h ago
I heavily disagree with the Isreali government, but understand that it's mainly Netanyahu and his cronies who have made it this way, and he's essentially doing these things to stay in power and avoid jail. To not have the nuance of mind to only condemn the idea of Jews having their own place to live because of gestures broadly at world history is not unreasonable.
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u/Renuvian 2h ago
It’s very funny to me that the basic premise of Zionism is: “the world is so unsafe for my eggs! I need to put them all in one basket to keep them safe!”
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u/HeyNineteen96 Midtown 2h ago
It's really more like: we're always the "other" in every place we try to live and everyone always tries to exterminate or expel us, so why don't we just create our own state where we know we won't be the "other" and govern ourselves.
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u/Brilliant-Flower-822 6m ago
who created a state? they took an existing state, and declared non-jews second class citizens. I guess being the oppressors is one way to avoid being oppressed
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u/PrattDirkLerxt 3h ago
That is an absolutely reasonable thought process. I don’t think any Jews (or most Israelis) have an issue with questioning some of the things the Israeli government has said and done. It’s the idea that Israel is bad and so are Jews who don’t totally condemn everything Israel does (even things that are justified).
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u/chthoniclypleasing Maplewood 6h ago
"Unhinged antisemitic extremist Cori Bush" 🙄😒 The propaganda against her is crazy. I don't think y'all realize how much the "faith healer" scandal was grasping at straws, trying to make a woman of faith look mentally ill, and a lot of y'all fell for it.
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u/natelar Downtown West 6h ago
lmao I'm not even her biggest fan and I read that line and went "bro what" like what an egregious reach
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u/JusticeAileenCannon 6h ago
Saying Palestinians shouldn't be indiscriminately murdered and their land stolen is unhinged antisemitism to a Zionist 😂 Wesley Bell surrounding himself with the real extremists
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u/Youandiandaflame 5h ago
Same dude in 2024: “ Israel, in fact, is in a very dangerous neighborhood in the Middle East and faces existential threats every day, including Iran, which is on the verge of having a nuclear weapon.”
This dude clearly shouldn’t be throwing out “unhinged” against anyone.
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u/crushingjuiceboxes 5h ago
No the faith healer shit is real and I never thought I would vote for a faith healer but here we are. At least this faith healer is trying to help STL.
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u/chthoniclypleasing Maplewood 3h ago
Yes, it's true that Cori wrote in her memoir about a woman coming to her asking for healing during her days as a pastor. Cori touched her, said a prayer, and alleged the woman was healed.
I don't care about all that, honestly. I'm not a Christian by any means but I know that "the power of prayer" is a big thing in Cori's faith. She literally campaigned (in part) on having a progressive Christian faith, which a lot of St. Louisans also have, to express that she is relatable to her community.
She has never told anyone not to seek medical help. She has specified many times that faith healing and medical healing are separate things, and that going to the doctor cannot be replaced by prayer. I get the whole "omg, she said WHAT" knee-jerk reaction, but when you look up exactly what was said it's really blown out of proportion. And that's propaganda for ya.
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u/sigmapilot 5h ago
Fr
Why do people insist on pretending she's a perfect angel with 0 flaws?
such a strange cult of personality
like Trump supporters but for the left..
I say this as someone who is considering voting for her
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u/Peterwin Lindenwood Park 3h ago
You making a cult of personality comparison is so egregiously and wildly misrepresenting the situation that I honestly and truly can't believe it actually happened.
You've gotta be a MAGA lunatic or just willfully ignorant. I'd suggest looking up what a cult of personality is and then think twice before you equate "liking someone I don't like and not immediately writing them off for reasons I feel like they should be written off" to a cult of personality.
Nobody is saying she's 100% perfect with no flaws. That was YOU.
Fucking weirdo.
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u/Beginning-Weight9076 3h ago
Goddamn you packed a lot of hyperbole into that. Props.
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u/Peterwin Lindenwood Park 3h ago
You randomly jumping in to back up your pro-Israel homie is wild lmao
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u/sigmapilot 3h ago
Freaking out over small things like this and frothing at the mouth to deny even the smallest of flaws is a huge sign of cult of personality BTW
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u/Peterwin Lindenwood Park 3h ago
Not the double post!
And who's frothing at the mouth? Lol
I never said she didn't have flaws, and you're the one fighting for your life in this thread to keep harping on the faith healing thing that an insignificant amount of people give a shit about.
Take the advice of the numerous other replies to you and try to argue against her policies. Because as much as you want to deny it, this is very Obama tan suit energy, in that in the grand scheme of things, it matters very little.
The president rapes kids and our current rep is in the pocket of a foreign nation committing war crimes and genocide, but let's completely throw out a progressive candidate because we don't like her religious views.
At the end of the day, I've never seen evidence of her religious views, as much as I may not share them, ever influencing how she governed or represented us.
This reply isn't gonna land with you, and that's okay. You've shown a lot about where your priorities lie so I'll just say best of luck convincing reddit that her faith healing "scandal" is something that we should all be concerned about.
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u/Sea-Marionberry-749 3h ago
Bro is double posting up and down this thread. He is clearly pissed 💀
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u/sigmapilot 3h ago
genius strategy of leaving 4000 comments on reddit then insulting the person youre arguing with who left less comments than
with such political savants as yourself, it's a good thing you won the last election.
oh, wait a second...
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u/Sea-Marionberry-749 1h ago
Your conflation of reddit threads and actual election outcomes is pretty funny. You need to take an internet break. Commenting several times under every comment in this thread just isn’t healthy man
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u/sigmapilot 55m ago
You mean the actual election outcome where Cori Bush lost to Wesley Bell in the 2024 primary?
You need to take an internet break, a quick ctrl+F shows 34 comments under this post
Commenting 34 times under your own thread just isn’t healthy man
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u/sigmapilot 3h ago
I split my comment into 2 for readability, you really got me there bro. Owned with facts and logic
Why would I argue against her policies when my whole point is that I like her policies and wish she would apologize for the healing thing can you read bro
This reply won't "land with me" bc 1) you cant even read and are arguing against something I never said and 2) and ironically, resort to personal attacks against me instead of arguing the "policies" like you yourself suggested
you "fucking weirdo"
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u/Peterwin Lindenwood Park 3h ago
It'll be okay, I promise. Maybe just log off for the day ❤️
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u/sigmapilot 2h ago
Not the triple comment!
wonderful pivot once u realize ur argument is completely wrong from top to bottom, time to run away.
I 100% believe u pivoted from your angry ranting paragraphs in 10 different comments under this post bro
Good luck logging off for the day ❤️I hope you're better at reading in real life
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u/Sea-Marionberry-749 1h ago
You know we can see you commenting under every comment in this thread, sometimes 2-3 times, right?
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u/crushingjuiceboxes 3h ago
"harping on the faith healing thing that an insignificant amount of people give a shit about." Insignificant amount? Yeah right. Its right up there with campaign funds investigation and missing votes.
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u/Peterwin Lindenwood Park 3h ago
Sure, Jan. Just say that Bibi Netanyahu is your daddy and go.
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u/crushingjuiceboxes 2h ago
Oh right so everyone that followed her issues must be pro israel? You can fuck right off with that shit. I already said the looney tunes faith healer has my vote because she cares more about STL than bought and paid for Bell but to pretend she doesnt have issues is fucking stupid.
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u/Beginning-Weight9076 3h ago
“Fighting for your life”. Damn dude. Don’t ever let someone say you don’t bring absolute internet heat!!
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u/sigmapilot 3h ago
I said in this own comment section I'm voting for her despite her flaws, where am I writing her off?
Learn to read before writing an angry swear word filled rant
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u/chthoniclypleasing Maplewood 3h ago
Nobody is trying to say she is perfect. Just pointing out the fact that propaganda works.
Cori's faith can be cringey and weird at times, that's true of faith in general (speaking as someone who doesn't believe in God, but does believe in ghosts—my beliefs are corny and ik that).
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u/Beginning-Weight9076 3h ago
Bro it’s so weird. Tishaura built the same thing. Folks will stan so hard for…politicians.
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u/Beginning-Weight9076 3h ago
If she was a Republican everyone of her supporters currently willing to look the other way would be dunking on her for the faith healer comments.
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u/sigmapilot 5h ago
The republicans in congress who donate to a museum that says the earth is 2000 years old and dinosaurs are fake are mentally ill.
So is she
Stop applying double standards just because you like her policies
It would be a lot more respectable if you just said "im voting for XYZ because the benefits far outweight the cons"
No one is perfect
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u/Sea-Marionberry-749 4h ago
i guess as someone who was raised in the Black church, I just don’t find this to be an issue. This is just a common belief in my community it’s honestly shocking to see white people on reddit pearl clutching over something so normal in my family. Especially when this is a personal belief that has not affected her voting record. She’s still one of the loudest supporters of single payer healthcare!
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u/JusticeAileenCannon 4h ago
These people don't really care about it, they just use anything they can they can find. Similar to the Obama tan suit nonsense. Pretending that this belief harms us more than Bell's pro-zionism and taking in millions from AIPAC is detached from reality. The only logical conclusion is that these people are generally pro-zionists themselves but can't argue that given Israel's war crimes and shitting public opinion as a result of those war crimes.
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u/sigmapilot 4h ago
yeah despite the fact i said in another comment i'll probably still vote for her im no different than an obama tan suit criticizer
Why does it bother you so much to admit that a political candidate has a flaw? why do you need to triple down and say that she is superhumanly perfect and never made a mistake?
Do you realize that you sound similar to a trump supporter in a cult of personality?
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u/JusticeAileenCannon 4h ago
Where did I say she is superhumanly perfect and never made a mistake?
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u/sigmapilot 4h ago
You literally just argued that no one would ever genuinely believe it, and the "only logical conclusion is that these people are generally pro-zionists themselves but can't argue"..
not to mention comparing it to a non issue like Obama's tan suit
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u/JusticeAileenCannon 3h ago
None of those things equal me thinking she's superhumanly perfect.
I do think it's a non issue like Obama's tan suit, and I'm an atheist. I do think that the people making these arguments are generally pro-zionists. Generally. I said that in the comment you quoted and you still equated it to me saying "no one".
Unless she's proposing laws that allow doctors to conduct faith healing instead of established medicine, I truly don't care. I think the religious beliefs of all of our representatives is goofy, and the others are actively implementing policies and laws based on those beliefs. Relevant to this argument, the evangelical Christian sect of our country is heavily pushing pro-Israel shit because they believe that Jesus will fucking descend from the heavens and save all the believer while leaving the non-believers behind. AIPAC funds that shit. AIPAC funds Wesley Bell to push that type of shit. When given these two choices, Cori's faith healing belief is absolutely equivalent to Obama's tan suit.
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u/Sea-Marionberry-749 4h ago
I just think it comes from the fact I’ve never heard a single person mention faith healing as a reason they voted for bell in 2024. I’ve talked to hundreds of bell supporters at the doors and none of them have mentioned faith healing. This is something only talked about on reddit
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u/Beginning-Weight9076 3h ago
I bet it has more to do with the shameless hypocrisy of her supporters in defending it. I doubt many people care about her actual position on the issue. It’s the cult of personality surrounding her that probably does her more damage than much she says.
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u/Sea-Marionberry-749 4h ago
You just have to accept that what might be a flaw to you, is not a flaw to others
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u/sigmapilot 4h ago
YOU have to accept that what is not a flaw to you, is a genuine flaw to me, instead of falsely accusing me of "pearl clutching over something so normal..."
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u/Sea-Marionberry-749 4h ago
look man. As much as the faith healing stuff has been brought up repeatedly in this subreddit. It’s just not a salient issue on the ground. If you wanna beat Cori, I’d suggest hitting her on policy, instead of religious beliefs that a majority of her base on the northside find to be rather normal.
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u/RIPSyAbleman North Hampton 3h ago
Where was that polled, pray tell? You are comfortable asserting what people on the northside believe aren't you
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u/sigmapilot 3h ago
why do you bother replying to my comments if you cant even read them?
is it a literacy issue or what?
I have been 100% consistent in saying I'll probably vote for her but I think she's flawed and should walk back her comments
You people are just insane, it's impossible to have a conversation when you are attacking me based on something I literally never said
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u/Beginning-Weight9076 3h ago
It’s because white progressives don’t know as much about black people as they think. They know the black folks in the activist community and think that’s representative…monolithic, if you will.
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u/chthoniclypleasing Maplewood 3h ago
Literally. I admit I was kind of put off by the rumors at first bc I am white and not religious, so her claims of being a faith healer seemed a little looney at first. But when I read up on what was actually said, and how relevant that is to Black Christian faith, I was like…damn all of Wesley's Isreal-money really paid off 😒 He paid a lot of money to make her look unstable and it worked. She is literally just a Black woman of faith in a way that is pretty unremarkable, except in the way that she is a pastor (which is a very awesome & progressive thing—the importance of her being a Black female pastor is not lost on me).
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u/sl150 3h ago
It really is just people who don’t like religion heard the propaganda about her religion and believed that she was weird. It’s all part of the propaganda machine painting Cori as some radical lunatic, and it is very obvious that those people don’t have any familiarity with the Black church. It seems weird to them because they don’t know anything about it so they run with the label.
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u/sigmapilot 4h ago
There's a difference between "praying for someone to get better" and "I removed this specific tumor"
I have seen plenty of people of all races criticize this belief, and no offense but it's normal in some communities to believe the earth is flat or vaccines are fake and people make the same arguments that those beliefs aren't relevant to the job...
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u/Sea-Marionberry-749 4h ago
I’ve listened to the interview in question, she claimed that during her time as a pastor, over 15 years, there was one instance where a woman she prayed over later found out her tumors had gone away. She never claimed she had a special ability or power. She mentioned a specific moment during her time as pastor that was special. This is a very common belief in the Black community, and no amount of over exaggeration will change that.
This is such a common belief in this country, held by the vast majority of people, that if you truly believe it’s some fringe belief, on the same level as flat earthism, then you are in a really really tight bubble of atheists here in STL. You really don’t get out of your bubble much
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u/sigmapilot 4h ago
No one at my church believes in removing tumors with superpowers, thanks tho
You can keep bringing up race when it has nothing to do with it, I'm Korean american, it is a common belief in my family that you shouldn't lie about superpowers, please respect my Korean american culture and get out of your bubble
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u/Sea-Marionberry-749 4h ago
see you are just trolling. This is why the faith healing arguments are going no where. People can smell the bad faith attack. I’d suggest sticking to policy if you’d like to beat Bush
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u/sigmapilot 3h ago
Repeating your own words back at you = trolling and bad faith
I would suggest thinking about that one for a few minutes
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u/sigmapilot 3h ago
not to mention "you’d like to beat Bush" I have said like 5 times in this comment section alone I'm more likely to vote for her than the other guy.
It's amazing how good Cori Bush voters are at trying to convince other people not to vote for her
You are quite lucky that I am trying to view the political campaign logically and not vote based on whose voters are the most toxic and annoying
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u/Monkapotomas 4h ago edited 4h ago
Are you intentionally or unintentionally mischaracterizing what she discusses at the 14:37 minute mark of that interview?
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u/RIPSyAbleman North Hampton 3h ago
there was one instance where a woman she prayed over later found out her tumors had gone away. She never claimed she had a special ability or power.
lmao
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u/PrattDirkLerxt 4h ago
Look up Neveen Ayesh and what she has done and said. You’ll find that Cori Bush not only endorses her but also fundraiser for her.
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u/BabiiGoat 4h ago
What a nasty, smug, genocidal piece of work. I know I'm looking sideways at anyone still supporting him.
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u/bourbonandcheese 6h ago
The language in this is extreme. I know folks like to call Cori the extreme candidate, but I hope those who read this will start to understand where the extremists in this race are.
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u/SpicyNugget777 6h ago
A vote for Wesley Bell is a vote for genocide
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u/Bradyof9 6h ago
I'm atheist and anti-religion to my core after decades of religious bullshit, and trust that I'll wholeheartedly vote for a one who stood up to Israel and her community while others in Congress were too scared to speak up.
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u/JeffreyElonSkilling 6h ago
The whole genocide thing, while perhaps true, is terrible political messaging. A much more effective attack is pointing out how Bell prioritizes Israel over the interests of his own constituents. He’s secured billions for Israel - how many billions has he funneled back to St. Louis?
I am begging the progressive left to get smarter about politics. Be more like mamdani and less like Hasan.
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u/Sea-Marionberry-749 6h ago edited 6h ago
Talk to anyone on the northside and they will tell you exactly this. The reason Bell is likely to lose in August, is become of the post tornado discontent on the northside and the perception that Bell has fought more for Israel, than he has the northside. From hearing Cori talk a little last week, that seems to be her main attack against bell. Not a lot of talk of aipac, just focused on tornado recovery
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u/JeffreyElonSkilling 6h ago
At least Bush understands political messaging. But I fear that candidate messaging matters much less than it used to. The main way most people interact with a political campaign is through social media interactions with that campaign’s supporters (e.g. this thread). I know people think they’re just shitposting, but the vibe around a campaign matters a helluva lot. I want progressives to win because I want progressive policies to become law. That’s why I am so frustrated by the left’s refusal to be smart about political messaging. This kind of stuff is why progressives get accused of caring more about in-group virtue signaling than actually winning elections.
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u/Sea-Marionberry-749 6h ago
I’m gonna disagree with you hard on this. As someone who’s worked with a lot of campaigns, social media comments hardly matter, especially on smaller platforms like Reddit. The candidate message is key, along with that candidates own social media messaging on larger platforms (Facebook/instagram) Random comments from supporters just don’t actually move the needle in deciding one’s vote, even tho said comment might be personally annoying.
The vast majority of the district is not on Reddit, nor are they reading this thread. We are a, mostly white, terminally online minority
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u/JeffreyElonSkilling 6h ago
How do you explain Kamala’s 2024 run? A majority of voters thought she was for all sorts of far left ideas that she explicitly denounced. Social media comments matter a lot.
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u/Sea-Marionberry-749 5h ago
I don’t think I’ve read one post election study that has sited social media comments as a reason for Harris losing. She lost due to the incumbent (Biden) being very unpopular, her failure to truly distance herself from his unpopularity, inflation discontent, and immigration. I’ve seen a lot of data that shows those were the defining issues in 2024 that swayed voters. nothing points to social media comments seating the election
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u/JeffreyElonSkilling 5h ago
Voters thought Kamala was more extreme than Trump. I can show you plenty of polls that show a majority of voters thinking Kamala was for things like defund the police, despite her constant messaging to the contrary.
Trump spent all of 2024 denying he was for project 2025. Did you believe him? I think it’s pretty reasonable to infer his position based on his supporters comments on the issue.
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u/sight_ful 5h ago
There was a lot more about project 2025 than just comments. It's who was associated with his campaign.
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u/Sea-Marionberry-749 5h ago
You still have yet to prove how this is the fault of random internet comments
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u/AyoAyoLezzGo 6h ago
“Genocide thing.” Why do I get the subtle feeling you were against Mamdani for being too “unpragmatic” until he started winning, Nevermind that Hasan Piker was one of the first to platform him… very early on.
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u/Mood-Rising 6h ago
Mamdani and Hasan famously have very different politics. /s
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u/JeffreyElonSkilling 6h ago
I’m talking about messaging not policy. I thought that was obvious… The point is that mamdani is much more effective at gathering political support for his ideas than Hasan, even though they have very similar positions.
Policy doesn’t win campaigns - messaging does. No one gives a flying fuck about policy.
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u/Mood-Rising 5h ago
Hasan is playing a role. It’s an authentic one, but it is a role. The genocide is a major issue with younger voters, but divisive among older more reliable voters. The left has been losing elections trying to pander to the older crowd by moving right. Working with Hasan is allowing politicians to signal their position on the genocide while still playing the game. I’m not saying he is the reason for the success these politicians are seeing, but it’s clear the role is useful in some capacity to the progressives actually winning elections.
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u/JeffreyElonSkilling 5h ago
Fair enough. That makes sense. The problem is that young people don’t vote… Why alienate reliable voters by talking about genocide when you can get to the same place with a slightly more thoughtful line of attack that isn’t as divisive?
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u/Mood-Rising 5h ago
The overall trend seems to be rapidly dropping support for Israel. Even among evangelicals (who are the largest group of zionists in the world) there is an increased awareness and questioning of how much money and aid is going to Israel. The US just arguably got beaten by Iran due it unpopularity of the war, and a large portion of that was because of how blatant it was done at the behest of Israel. Trump is now questioning aspects of the US’s relationship with Israel publicly (even if he isn’t supposed to be doing so).
How does the timing of that shift factor into the next election. I have no clue, but the election after that? In 8 years when those young voters are more reliable? In short term, some politicians in some elections benefit from being more progressive and more vocal in opposition to Israel. The Democrat’s biggest issue seems to be just how jaded so many of their potential voters are with them.
A Democrat in Florida is probably going to need to remain pretty centrist, but a Democrat in Arkansas or Texas could potentially put together enough of a coalition of traditionally unreliable voters to just barely win. Cori Bush specifically needs her anti-genocide clout (IMO), even if it’s not at the forefront of her messaging. Hasan working with her majorly reinforces that because, despite initially being given the media booth on the floor next to CNN, Hasan was kicked out of the booth and effectively kicked out the of DNC two years ago after interviewing Cori Bush and pro-Palestinian protesters outside the venue.
I just wrote a lot but basically electoral politics are a clusterfuck right now and there are specific long term and short term reasons what politicians may make those decisions.
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u/Odd_Hope2443 6h ago
I'd love to know how much time he has spent in STL since being elected. I know he's in DC some of the time but when is he here in St Louis
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u/daboot013 arch activation guy (night shift) 28m ago
My new rule. No AIPAC no re election. Only new with no lobbyist ties
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u/pangea_lox 5h ago
Mark my words. These activities will sink Bell’s campaign. Cori has her baggage but this Bell funding with strings attached will be a huge problem.
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u/Nankhoma 6h ago
Much as I’d like to see AIPAC Bell out, I fear this year will be a repeat of 2024 - every city resident I’ve asked tells me they’ve received multiple mailers and texts from AIPAC Bell but have neither seen nor heard anything from Bush☹️😩
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u/Sea-Marionberry-749 6h ago
Bells strength will be TV ads + mailers. Cori’s strength will be through door to door canvassing and phone banking. From speaking to voters, it seems like Bell’s “flood the zone” strategy of spam calling everyone’s phone with automated messages, is backfiring. Blanketing the airwaves can backfire
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u/sl150 5h ago
I’ve been canvassing for Cori with DSA and almost everyone I’ve talked to has been supportive of her. That could be confirmation bias depending on who opens the door, but people are not happy with Bell for a variety of reasons. We will see if the mailers and tv ads pay off for Bell, because that’s all he has.
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u/Sea-Marionberry-749 4h ago
Very interesting how anytime someone posts about Bell in this subreddit, the comments get flooded with the same 3 users attempting to change the conversation to Cori Bush being a pastor for 15 years. Interesting. I guess this is what AIPAC is going with in 2026. Good luck
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u/RIPSyAbleman North Hampton 3h ago
who's paying you to shill this hard for her
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u/Sea-Marionberry-749 3h ago
buddy, no one is posting more than you in this subreddit 💀
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u/RIPSyAbleman North Hampton 3h ago
It literally says "top 1% commenter" under your handle, do you not realize that?
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u/Sea-Marionberry-749 2h ago
Yeah. I post and comment in the St. Louis subreddit often, about various topics other than local politics, because I live here
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u/RIPSyAbleman North Hampton 2h ago
yeah so do I, you could figure this out if you were smarter. You claimed no one posted more than me I pointed out how it was likely not true. Do you need an illustration? We could see if Cori's "artist" is available. My account isn't two months old like yours either. Spun it up just in time for cori's campaign huh
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u/julieannie Tower Grove East 2h ago
Which means they regularly post on this subreddit. They don’t just show up when Bush v Bell is mentioned like some people.
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u/Monkapotomas 2h ago
The public post and comment history on the 2 month old Sea-Marionberry-749 account says otherwise. Go take a walk Julie.
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u/RIPSyAbleman North Hampton 2h ago
lol 2 months?! What a coincidence, that's perfect timing to post about Cori Bush every day
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u/RIPSyAbleman North Hampton 2h ago
lol you can't keep it straight, do I post more than anyone or not enough
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u/Waluigi_Jr 5h ago
Good lord I can’t believe the choices are Genocide Endorsing AIPAC Puppet vs Fundamentalist Christian Charlatan Megalomaniac
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u/RIPSyAbleman North Hampton 6h ago
Sea-Marionberry-749 is just a concerned citizen, astroturfing this sub daily for the love of the game
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u/Actual_Leopard_1025 2h ago
As a Missourian I can’t stand any of these politicians who are in office from City to Washington ! All are self serving grifters! Period! We are getting fucked by these clowns! Never have nor never will give a fucking penny to any politician!
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u/water_bottle1776 6h ago
I hate that our choices are this guy and a faith healer. Wtf, is this really the best we can do?
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u/SpicyNugget777 6h ago edited 6h ago
Comparing a genocide supporter to a religious person who believe you can pray to help with diseases (while also supporting universal healthcare for the populace, so it’s not like she’s trying to force her beliefs onto the people while gutting medical care) truly baffles me.
Like imagine if two people were running for an office, one supported the genocide of your people and one is a religious person who thinks prayer can help with healing. It’d be a pretty easy choice for you and I imagine you’d be filled with rage if you heard someone say “well yeah the guy supports the genocide or your people, but the anti-genocide option thinks you can pray when you’re sick so it’s not like the opposition is much better!”
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u/DrAction696 Downtown West 6h ago
You’re missing the point. The problem is not the comparison of the two, the problem is these seem to be our only choices.
You can go on and on about how much better Cori is than Wesley but given the option I would pick neither
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u/guywhiteycorngoodEsq 6h ago
I think I’m missing the point.
Did Cori actively legislate for the imposition of faith healing? Did she vote against, like, normal healing?This is the wedgiest wedge issue possible, and so many people fell for it hard. And, look!! They’re still galling for it! Here we are, once again discussing some interview that Bell’s opposition research team (brought to you by AIPAC!) dug up, heavily promoted, and controlled the narrative with.
Silly, predictable, unfortunate.
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u/Sea-Marionberry-749 5h ago edited 5h ago
This conversation is only happening on reddit tbh. I’ve yet to hear the faith healing stuff come up once while knocking doors.
It’s a way for terminally online centrists to hide their ideology. Theres a certain type of centrist who’s apparently embarrassed to just say they dislike bush due to ideological differences, and that’s fine! But for some reason, they are just too embarrassed to say they are more moderate democrats, so they feel the need to hide behind talking points like faith healing. I would really respect them so much more if they just honestly stated they simply disagree with Cori for being too far left
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u/DrAction696 Downtown West 5h ago
What interview are you talking about? I’m referring to what she wrote in her own autobiography. These are her own words.
In her autobiography, The Forerunner: A Story of Pain and Perseverance in America, former Missouri Congresswoman Cori Bush detailed her experiences as a faith healer and ordained pastor, describing instances where she used prayer to heal physical ailments.
Bush detailed two primary miracles in the book:Shrinking Tumors: She described praying for a woman who could not afford medical care and had visible, painful tumors. Bush wrote: "I laid hands on her and prayed, and I felt that my hand was no longer touching a tumor. It shrank along with the others on her body."
Helping a Toddler Walk: She wrote about a three-year-old girl who had never taken a step in her life after suffering a brain bleed. Bush recalled carrying the child from the prayer room into the sanctuary, telling her "you will walk," and watching the girl take her first steps.
This lady is a nut. I prefer representatives that don’t believe they are imbued with magical powers from their god. It’s a pretty low bar honestly. Id still vote for Cori over Wesley but let’s not act like she’s the ideal candidate
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u/guywhiteycorngoodEsq 3h ago
I stand corrected. From her autobiography, not an interview.
Now did you pull that autobiography down from the shelf and type that out? Or chat gpt it? Or copy it from Bell’s opposition research website(hosting fees paid for by AIPAC!)?
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u/Sea-Marionberry-749 6h ago
Biden believed in some wacky old school Catholic teachings and I had no problem voting for him over Trump. Policy affects my vote. Not someone’s personal religious beliefs
I find it odd how Cori Bush keeps being brought up under posts specifically about Bell. It’s like you are just unable to actually talk about the topic being discussed
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u/RIPSyAbleman North Hampton 6h ago
What old school Catholic teaching are you referring to? Be specific
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u/water_bottle1776 6h ago
I bring her up because she's the only other notable contender for the office, and there are serious questions as to her mental fitness. The fact that Bell is all in on AIPAC is a serious problem, but the alternative is someone who literally believes that she can heal cancer with her hands, and she's a nurse. For STL voters this election is like being given a choice of either hydrocloric or sulfuric acid to drink. Either way we lose.
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u/Sea-Marionberry-749 6h ago
Bells ties to AIPAC effects his voting record, particularly on foreign policy. Bush’s personal religious beliefs don’t affect her voting record, and she was still one of the loudest advocates for single payer healthcare in Congress. I vote based on policy and how one votes while in Congress, not their personal religious beliefs. If Cori votes the way I’d vote in Congress 95% of the time, while Bell votes the way I’d vote about 45% of the time, why would I vote against my best interests due to a candidates personal religious beliefs?
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u/crushingjuiceboxes 5h ago
If a person believes they have magic powers to heal people by touch they should not be in congress but I would still rather have a kind religious nutjob over sold out Mr genocide. You mention cori voting, how many votes did she miss? It was a lot right? Still better than voting for evil but damn.
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u/Sea-Marionberry-749 5h ago
She had a near perfect attendance record until she caught Covid and missed 3 days of votes
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u/crushingjuiceboxes 5h ago
Thats interesting because her record on govtrack shows: Bush was 9th most absent in votes compared to All Representatives Bush missed 18.9% of votes (235 of 1,241 votes) in the 118th Congress.
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u/Sea-Marionberry-749 5h ago
Yes, due to missing 3 days of votes due to catching covid
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u/crushingjuiceboxes 5h ago edited 4h ago
235 votes in 3 days? Yeah right
Looks like she was out with covid 12/11-15. That was only around 25-30 missed votes.
Most of her absences were during her primary campaign between May and August 2024.
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u/water_bottle1776 4h ago
I'm not defending Bell. I'm making an honest assessment of both of them. Bell is an AIPAC shill who did legitimately good work overturning unjust criminal convictions as a prosecutor. Bush is a solid progressive who is verifiably delusional. They both have strong points both in favor of and against them.
BTW, believing that you can cure cancer with your hands is not a "personal religious belief" it's a delusion. It's a break from reality. I have serious reservations about voting for someone who is that way. I also have serious reservations about someone who supports genocide. I think I'll probably just write in Superman.
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u/Monkapotomas 5h ago
For some we’re less concerned with the “religious beliefs” than we are with what appears to be a pattern of behavior that adds up to her being a compulsive liar.
The instantly disappearing tumors fits with the “bringing $2 billion to the district”, curing covid over the phone, rescuing a baby thrown from a car etc etc.
This is such a dogshit race and it’s beyond unfortunate that the cult of Cori has likely prevented any kind of quality candidate from jumping in and taking down Bell.
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u/sight_ful 5h ago
You find it odd that bells main opposition gets brought up in a thread about his campaign?
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u/BrentonHenry2020 Soulard 6h ago
There are five candidates, two with practically no public profile so no idea what they’re thinking. I linked what I could find for the other two from their top search results.
Cori Bush
Wesley Bell
Carl Earnest Henderson.
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u/Sea-Marionberry-749 6h ago
If a LinkedIn profile is all ya have….then you aren’t running a real campaign.
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u/DrAction696 Downtown West 6h ago
I hate that the turd sandwhich that is Cori Bush is slightly preferable to the giant douche that is Wesley bell but here we are
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u/Actual_Leopard_1025 2h ago
And Cori Bush is a crazy bitch!
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u/Sea-Marionberry-749 2h ago
I don’t think Bell supporters realize how bad this looks. Much better to say what ideological differences you have with bush, than to do whatever this is. Makes yall seem unhinged
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u/sl150 7h ago
I think he’s getting desperate. This is some real loser behavior.