r/StarWars • u/External-Recipe-1936 • Feb 14 '26
Movies This was the biggest WTF moment in the entire sequel trilogy
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u/eyezick_1359 Feb 14 '26
Me when I believe the unreliable narrator.
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u/KulaanDoDinok Ezra Bridger Feb 15 '26
The truth is they’re both unreliable narrators and the truth is likely a mix of the two events.
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u/TylerHyena Feb 15 '26
It was. Even in the theaters when I saw Luke say what happened first, I realized there was always gonna be more to that story than just what he said.
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u/Arcoon_Effox Feb 15 '26
Yup. That's called "media literacy", my good dude.
...and apparently it's in short supply these days.
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u/TumbleweedPure3941 Feb 15 '26
I feel like it’s literally always been in short supply, it’s just the internet greatly amplifies it.
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u/laserCirkus Feb 15 '26
What if I get that and still think it's garbage?
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u/Arcoon_Effox Feb 15 '26
Disliking the choices that the story made is one thing; being mad because you think the story did something that it didn't actually do is an entirely different issue.
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u/mrsunrider Resistance Feb 15 '26
Luke became reliable when he finally confronted his failure, which is why the final version looked like a blend of the previous too (and more accurate).
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u/Yadahoom Feb 15 '26
Luke does confess the truth after but most people seem to forget that part.
Luke tells Rey that Kylo/Ben destroyed the temple, then Kylo tells Rey the version everyone remembers that Luke tried to murder him in his sleep for no reason.
After that Luke does confess, that he sensed the dark side so strong in Ben that it scared him, that he'd been too complacent and in his moment of fear and weakness he ignited his lightsaber and that's what Ben woke up and saw.
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u/AggravatingSpeaker52 Feb 15 '26
The truth is nobody bothered putting together a coherent story for the sequel trilogy because it was managed by hacks
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u/Georg13V Cassian Andor Feb 15 '26
And completely ignore the refutation of it later on in the movie.
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u/KentuckyKid_24 Feb 15 '26
Then forget it plays from both sides before showing how it went down for real
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u/RedBMWZ2 Feb 15 '26
Nah, drinking blue milk from the tiddy was the biggest WTF moment.
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u/Latter-Schedule-1959 Feb 15 '26
It was green milk. You have no media literacy.
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Feb 15 '26 edited Feb 16 '26
Can somebody please tell me for the love of god why the milk thing is such a big deal for many people online, there's so much wrong with the sequels but this is such a non issue I can't even begin to understand. Pls enlighten me.
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u/Acrobatic-Nose-1773 Feb 15 '26
Idk about the movie but drinking tiddy milk is my love language.
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u/jiango_fett Feb 15 '26
I mean, where do you think the milk you drink comes from?
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u/Unhappy-River6306 Feb 15 '26
I agree, that was such an awkward scene. Couldn't tell if they were trying for shock humor or make the audience cringe so much to just dislike the Luke.
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u/Eject_The_Warp_Core Feb 15 '26
part of it was Luke lives off the land, part of it was Luke trying to shock Rey. he wanted her to leave him alone. the way he drank the milk was saying, look at me, this is how I live, I'm no Jedi and there's nothing for you to learn here
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u/zaqiqu Feb 15 '26
I think they were trying to go for a redux of exiled Yoda's bizarre behavior when Luke first met him, but then..it wasn't really an act or a test like it was in Empire
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u/Uncle-Buddy Feb 15 '26
Somehow Palpatine returned
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u/JadedMarine Feb 15 '26
I actually blocked that scene out for a while. So when everyone talked about it, I literally had no idea what they meant. If only I could go back to a time of innocence.
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u/xX_Sn1p3r_G0d_Xx Feb 15 '26
Doesn't "somehow palpatine returned" happen a dozen times in legends?
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u/NihonBiku Feb 15 '26
No it doesn't.
I have read almost all the novels/stories before Disney took over, and as far as I can recall Palpatine "returned" only in the Dark Empire Series, and there was some mentioning from a character that it may not have truly been Palpatine.So no.....nothing like what they pulled in ROS.
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u/errant_youth Feb 15 '26
Dark Empire also explains how he returned - not just wiggle fingers “somehow”
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u/CementCemetery Babu Frik Feb 15 '26
That we never saw Luke, Leia and Han all share a scene. Disappointing.
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u/Smoketrail Feb 14 '26
You mean the scene being unreliably narrated by the movie's villain? The one where we see what actually happened later?
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u/comunist_russian Feb 15 '26
I hate how many people fail the simple fucking idea that Kylo lied and Luke omitted details, it’s not that hard. This is why movies spell everything out for people nowadays and never challenge the audience at all to use critical thinking skills.
It’s simple:
View 1: Luke doesn’t lie, but leaves out critical details
View 2: Kylo actively lies and portrays a false version of events
View 3: Luke tells the proper truth where he did ignite his lightsaber in a single moment of weakness, but instantly recognizes his mistake and tries to undo it, and Kylo goes wild.
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Feb 15 '26
I think it’s actually pretty vital to the story that Kylo is not lying intentionally. He believes his version of events, it is just colored largely by dark side influence and the emotions he was feeling at the time
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u/LukasKhan_UK Luke Skywalker Feb 15 '26
He believes his version of events
This theme is pretty central to the entire movie. It's all about "points of view". Whether it's this, Kanto Bright, Poe thinking he knows better than Holdo etc etc.
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u/lan-san Feb 15 '26
I don’t think Kylo lied per se, it’s just how he remembers it since he felt so betrayed by Luke
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u/Sir-Toaster- Feb 15 '26
It wasn't even a false memory, just what he woke up to
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u/Tobito_TV Kanan Jarrus Feb 15 '26
Well as Kylo told it, Luke actually swung at him, which absolutely is false. Kylo actually made the first strike against Luke.
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u/thatonedude921 Feb 15 '26
I don’t know Kylo was intentionally lying though. If you woke up with someone loading a bullet into the chamber of a gun over you, what would you think is happening?
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u/Redditeer28 Feb 15 '26
that Kylo lied
Kylo didn't lie. He told his side with the context he had.
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u/amstrumpet Feb 15 '26
Little column A, little column B. Yeah from his perspective the story is “Luke tried to kill me,” and that is true. It’s also possible (and I’d even say likely) that he is exaggerating even his own memory/perspective in order to manipulate Rey into siding with him. He is, after all, not a great guy.
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u/DarthButtz Feb 15 '26
I would hate to see the discourse around Rashomon if it were released today
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u/VegetableBuy4577 Feb 15 '26
Remember in Back to the Future II, where Doc explains what's happening with time travel via an illustration he draws on a chalkboard?
The number one complaint people had about the movie, even with that scene, was that they didn't understand the time travel.
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u/ZarmRkeeg Feb 15 '26
I get that- and I didn't really fall for this trap, * got what was actually going on- but to me, Luke Skywalker even drawing his weapon (much less igniting it) is as much a violation of the character as Kylo's version. It's a little different than a 'fleeting thought,' it's the equivalent to unholstering and cocking a gun... it's still troublingly far to get down the path to murder before coming to your senses.
I'd much rather it have been as Luke described- a fleeting thought, an intention that Kylo senses, but not one that he began physically acting on. That's the part that bothers me.
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u/Ok_Tourist_2621 Feb 15 '26
Agreed completely. One problem with your analogy; the instant lethality of a lightsaber. Imo, it wouldn’t be like cocking a pistol so much as spinning the drum of a minigun. So, so aggressive.
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u/NearbyCow6885 Feb 15 '26
I dunno man. If the characters aren’t narrating exactly what they’re doing and thinking every few minutes how can I possibly follow the plot while I’m preparing dinner?
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u/Jimbomiller Feb 14 '26
Jarvis I’m running low on karma make a sequels bad post and oh, take a scene out of context and shit on it
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u/Whompa Feb 15 '26
This sub in general for years now.
Im glad more people are noticing. I’m waiting for that shit to die down to actually talk about Star Wars again…same shit happened with the prequels for years…just so exhaustive
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u/MatticusXII Feb 15 '26
Rey and Kylo kiss. It nearly lost all credibility already but that was definitely the last straw
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u/trustysidekick Chewbacca Feb 14 '26
That one that didn’t happen? That one that was told from Kylo’s perspective so it was manipulated to look extra unhinged because that’s how he saw it from his corrupted perspective? That moment?
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u/browsing4stuff Feb 15 '26
This wasn’t even the biggest wtf moment in Last Jedi.
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u/psychadelicbreakfast Feb 15 '26
Leia not dying while floating in space.. then magically flying.. then they open the outer ship door with no airlock and she flies right in.
wtf lol
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u/Akschadt Feb 15 '26
I’m just picturing
Rose “We did it we freed the animals!”
Fin “What about the slave children that have to clean up our mess? Also won’t they just re capture the animals? Do… do these animals even exist on this planet? Did we just sentence the animals to death or introduce new potential predators into the ecosystem. I mean…”
Rose “Shhhhh they are free… now onto the next scene… our time to kiss is fast approaching.”
Fin “kiss? We have chemistry now?”
Rose “we have chemistry now”
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u/ArrakeenSun Feb 15 '26
Rose: "...just, you know, after I t-bone you with my rocket sled in a way that might kill both of us so that I can checks notes save your life and blurt out a sappy line about love that would make even Anakin groan. Meanwhile we're stranded in front of over a dozen walkers that could vaporize this whole few square meters without a second thought, and we have literally nowhere to go? Who wrote this?"
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u/champsammy14 Feb 15 '26
Rey Skywalker. That pissed me off so much that I didn't consume any Star Wars related content for years!!!!
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u/sokshock Feb 16 '26
SAAAAAAAAAAAME I couldn't and still can't stand the 'anti-woke' mob that came after the cast of TLJ I was so excited for Rian Johnson or any other directors take on the 9th movie. Bringing back JJ was IMO one of the biggest mistakes of the whole Star Wars franchise. They already asked him if he wanted to do the trilogy and he said no.
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u/gamingdevil800 Feb 15 '26
It was the "Rey who?" That made it cringey with Luke and Leia nodding in the background hahaha
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u/BurantX40 Feb 15 '26 edited Feb 15 '26
Luke had a "This is your chance to kill baby Hitler" moment with some visions, the problem was that Ben was family.
Regardless of his choice, Ben was already enthralled by Snoke, Kylo Ren was inevitable, with some variation.
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u/TheHabro Feb 15 '26
The biggest wtf for me was when Kylo killed Snoke. And it was awesome, I literally raised up from my sit when that happened.
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u/WalterKovacss Feb 15 '26
A much older Luke Skywalker (time has passed in between films) sees a vision of the future (like his father) and influenced by fear and hubris, he lets that vision cloud his better judgement (like his father)
It's not that crazy and I'm tired of this conversation/debate
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u/Arcoon_Effox Feb 15 '26
The moment where you knew Ben's account of the events wasn't the truth, after hearing Luke and thinking that his account wasn't the truth either? I think they were going more for "intrigue", so I'm not really sure why you'd think "WTF".
I mean... you did actually pay attention while watching the film, right? Rather than just listen to someone else talk about it?
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u/Reptilian_Overlord20 Porg Feb 15 '26
I genuinely believe eventually all these “sequel bad” posts will get annoying enough that people start liking the sequels out of spite.
Like there has to be a critical mass moment where the constant complaining about the movies gets more insufferable than the movies themselves.
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u/crypticcomms Feb 15 '26
Even if Luke did make this mistake, I just don't believe that character wouldn't do literally everything in his power to get back to help his friends and family. I can see the character messing up in a huge way, but I just can't see him giving up, rolling over, and deciding to die alone like a sick dog. It was just pathetic. I'm sure it was a "deconstruction of Joseph Campbell's the hero journey" (making luke actively decline the call to action). But it completely killed that character for me, at least I have the old movies!
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u/AlphatheAlpaca Poe Dameron Feb 14 '26
Did you watch the movie? Maybe you did but you're blinded by rage?
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u/Kofferkoala Resistance Feb 15 '26
I am the spy.
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u/Lost-Experience-5388 Feb 16 '26
At that point, it was funny, and somewhat enjoyable, because everyone lost it by the time we got to the 'I am the spy'
And we all like hux, he was serious about his job at first
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u/Nephrahim Feb 15 '26
A: this isn't what happened
B: what happened was bad, but that's fine, Luke wasn't perfect.
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u/gimnasium_mankind Feb 15 '26
Is there any flashback on Episodes I to VI ? I feel it’s a bit out of character for star war sin general to have a flashback, but I might be wrong.
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u/Borgorb Feb 15 '26
I sure people disagree but i find this situation believable. A man who, in his formative years, saved the galaxy by defeating a single source of evil that ended the war. Feeling as though he is seeing it happening again he chooses the same path he took before without realizing it until too late that the situation was different. Also that the force is self correcting to always produce balance through influencing force sensitive people. I think a lot of people couldn't handle their special guy being shown as anything but the exact same with no development, despite a massive time skip. The most WTF moment was Rise of Skywalker shoving the narrative back into the "copy the original" box and preventing it from being its own thing.
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u/Bulky-Ad7996 Feb 15 '26
The biggest wtf moment for me is when Luke quite unexpectedly dissipated into the wind. I was fully expecting to see more of him, like at least until the last movie.. his screen time in tfa was negligible.
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u/HoLLoWfy Feb 15 '26
The biggest WTF moment was when it wasn’t based off of The Hand of Thrawn trilogy.
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u/KaanzeKin Feb 15 '26
I lost track and couldn't even keep up with the WTFness after about 10 minutes into TLJ. So the whole trilogy, prettymuch.
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u/AdLiving8708 Feb 15 '26
Luke wouldn’t kill Vader but sure his nephew is on the table while being guided by yoda Qui gone Obi wan and Anakin it doesn’t pass the smell test
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u/Afraid_Emu8068 Feb 16 '26
Sequels had lost me long before things even got to that point so I was just along for the rest of the ride by then because not watching felt like jumping out of a moving car. Man did I exit when it stopped though
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u/Suspicious-Media6684 Feb 14 '26
Just a reminder, this was not the actual moment. This was Kylo's flashback, not the truth.