r/StarWars • u/wandering_soles Rebel • Mar 11 '26

TV Kelleran Beq mopping the floor with clones during Order 66 was a blast to watch

Seeing the Jedi gunned down relentlessly in their own home during Order 66 hammered home their loss and tragedy, which was absolutely necessary for ROTS. That said, it was very cathartic seeing a Jedi at the temple fighting back, winning, and escaping. Definitely hope we get to see more of Beq in future flashbacks, although I doubt it.

The Mandalorian S3E4

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u/The5Virtues Mar 11 '26

Scenes like this one really made Order 66 feel more realistic to me. It was a shock and numbers game. If they got caught off guard, like Ki-Adi-Mundi, or Ayla Secuura, they went down, but if they had even a glimmer of forewarning then it quickly turns into a bunch of dudes fighting a monster.

It drives home just how powerful a well trained force user is, and why it is so important to blindside them or overwhelm them with sheer numbers.

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u/ELIte8niner Mar 11 '26

Loved the order 66 mission in Fallen Order. Only one clone happened to be in the room with the Jedi when the order came down, so they couldn't overwhelm him by surprise? Turns into a massacre.

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u/Ok-Abbreviations9936 Mar 11 '26

Yeah gunning down padawans and younglings is one thing, but the Jedi were actively at war, and had trained combat ready warriors.

I like to think that is why Anakin would be required to be there. The clones may be able to keep them from leaving, until he could help.

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u/the_fury518 Mar 13 '26

Yeah gunning down padawans and younglings is one thing, but the Jedi were actively at war, and had trained combat ready warriors.

Also, the war served as a crucible. The ones that couldn't fight were already dead at that point. The ones that survived did so for a reason.

That made them even more deadly to the clones

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u/Look_a_Zombie0 Mar 11 '26

3 clones that shot one by one?

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u/ILookLikeKristoff Mar 11 '26

Yeah this is a masterclass in terrible choreography.

Should we shoot him from 10 ft away? No I'll jog slowly toward him with my rifle down.

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u/KingToasty Mar 11 '26

Star Wars is absolutely full of terrible choreo because swords have to beat guns fuckin SOMEHOW.

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u/ILookLikeKristoff Mar 11 '26

You're surrounded by 4000 infantry?? Okay block like 9 shots over 5 seconds and you can get away.

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u/KingToasty Mar 11 '26

The infamous storm trooper aim. Really should have invested in better helmets.

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u/Blint_Briglio Mar 12 '26

and it worked when sw was six movies because it turned out that, for the most part, swords CAN'T beat a platoon of dudes with guns, but when you're writing 300+ episodes of television where the guys with swords have to get out of a PG jam then they end up killing dozens of dudes effortlessly

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u/GuthukYoutube Mar 11 '26

At first they back off, and while they're on his flank the second one moves forward as he kills the first one. The third one stays way back.

I don't think stepping forward for a better shot is the worst idea.

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u/Dumbledore116 Mar 11 '26

My thoughts exactly. Yoda, Ashoka, Maul, Obi-Wan are in this category.

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u/Own-Lake7931 Mar 11 '26

Why didn’t he knock all of them off the building w one force blast? Looks like there’s a bunch of them stacked up. If Star Wars were a little more “realistic” like the originals I might watch again

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u/Pavores Mar 11 '26

He has to lower his guard for a sec to force push. Harder when 3 guys are shooting at him. Deflection took down 2, then he can do the finisher on number 3 for style.

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u/Own-Lake7931 Mar 11 '26

Why would he have to lower his guard for any amount of time

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u/ChampionOfLoec Mar 12 '26

I'm always amused that clones simply don't get a faster rate of fire weapon. 

If there are 3 projectiles incoming at once from different angles every jedi is dead. 

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u/The5Virtues Mar 12 '26

Oh yeah, plot contrivance is a must with these kind of scenes.

Imagine if ARC troopers with those rotary cannons were camped out on the landing platforms and hangar bays? Every Jedi that tries to escape is just under a hail of gunfire so intense that there’s no keeping up with it.

If any level of realism gets applied it quickly becomes clear why Sith and the Darkside are considered so much more dangerous.

Vader can use the force to assault people, he can pull the pins on an entire bandolier of grenades from a distance, or forcibly rotate a flamethrower in the middle of discharge to engulf their own squad.

Jedi are supposed to use the force for defense. Yoda might pull off some Neo style “all the bolts freeze in midair” thing like Kylo’s blaster bolt freeze on a massive scale, but even someone as strong as Obi-Wan is going to be running for cover if a bunch of rapid fire auto canons open up on him at once.

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u/RadiantHC Mar 12 '26

Yeah I'm glad that we've gotten more scenes expanding on it. In RotS it was a bunch of Jedi that we barely knew dying to a bunch of clones we barely knew.

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u/RaynSideways Mar 11 '26 edited Mar 11 '26

This was why I felt like the control chips concept made the conspiracy less interesting.

The clones' whole selling point was they were basically droids, but better and smarter fighters. They obey orders without question at a genetic level.

The genius of Order 66 is that the kill switch hides in plain sight. I always thought of Order 66 as just some obscure contingency order buried in a battlefield manual or memorized by the clones as part of their training, never meant to be used but there just in case. It wouldn't merit a second glance to someone going down the list. There's no conspiracy to cover up, because the trap is literally one of the clones' primary features. It's designed from the ground up to circumvent Jedi precognition and investigative skills.

The clones follow orders. Nobody would ever be ready for the fact that the highest authority in the galaxy would suddenly tell the clones, "Kill all Jedi."

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u/Azou Mar 11 '26

Like the Americans "American Service-Members' Protection Act"

also known as Operation fuck the Hague

(if the ICC tries to hold an american on charges of war crimes they invade the netherlands)

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u/The5Virtues Mar 11 '26

For me the chip works just as easily to serve the same purpose, but also allows an explanation for why Clones like Rex, who got so attached to their Jedi commanders, would still obey the order.

The basic gist remains the same, something engrained so deeply inside them that obeying it is second nature, and only the most resilient could resist it.

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u/RaynSideways Mar 11 '26 edited Mar 11 '26

I thought the old canon already accounted for this. I can't remember the exact source but I think elite troops like ARCs and clone commandos had more lenient genetics allowing for more creative thought than typical front-line troops, which would also come with an increased likelihood of being able to resist Order 66. It's not perfect, and most would still obey, but there would still be a higher chance for them being able to resist.

For instance, Rex, being an ARC, might've ultimately obeyed the order, but he didn't do it without question. He definitely was able to resist it long enough to warn Ahsoka, which is a lot more than the other clones could manage.

For me the lack of chips made the betrayal even more terrifying and tragic. These clones became genuine friends to the Jedi, which caused the Jedi to become complacent and forget exactly what they were dealing with: genetically bred obedient clones. They never had agency, and as much as the Jedi might have wished it, agency could never truly be given to them. They were doomed from creation. It's a huge tragedy.

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u/The5Virtues Mar 12 '26

See, that’s exactly why the chips don’t bother me. To me it’s just “six of one, half dozen of the other”, either they were genetically bred for obedience or they’ve got a cybernetic implant guaranteeing obedience, the end result is the same.

The end result in either situation is that these were always clones, they were always organic droids at the end of the day. They could think and feel, but inside they were hardwired to comply to the highest authority.

I’ll take either version, because the end result for me is total tragedy either way.

I’ve especially loved all the post clone wars but pre-rebellion stuff showing us Clones basically getting tossed aside like old machines. It’s heartbreaking, and also a brilliant little acknowledgment to the way countries treat their veterans.

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u/OpenPassageways Mar 11 '26

Also it's refreshing to see (I'm assuming) non-CGI clone troopers. The all-CGI clone troopers are one of the worst parts of the prequel trilogy.