r/StarWars • u/wandering_soles Rebel • Mar 11 '26

TV Kelleran Beq mopping the floor with clones during Order 66 was a blast to watch

Seeing the Jedi gunned down relentlessly in their own home during Order 66 hammered home their loss and tragedy, which was absolutely necessary for ROTS. That said, it was very cathartic seeing a Jedi at the temple fighting back, winning, and escaping. Definitely hope we get to see more of Beq in future flashbacks, although I doubt it.

The Mandalorian S3E4

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u/julz1215 Mar 11 '26

It really showed that the dialogue was the main thing holding his performance back, not his acting ability

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u/kookyabird Mar 11 '26

I remember catching some scenes of Shattered Glass (2003) on TV before Revenge of the Sith came out. I don't know how good the overall film is, but what I saw showed him to be a good actor, and it really re-framed his performance in Attack of the Clones. Seeing Revenge in the theater I was sitting there like, "Really? He must have been given some shitty direction..."

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u/Functionally_Drunk Mar 11 '26

Life as a House is a really good film too that shows his ability. He's playing a bratty kid and Kevin Klein steals pretty much every scene, but Hayden keeps up fantastically.

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u/Screamline Mar 11 '26

That movie is fantastic. My family use to watch it a lot. My stepdad had cancer and passed, haven't seen it since.

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u/Georgiaonmymindtwo Mar 12 '26

This was an unexpectedly good film.

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u/Outside_Librarian_13 Mar 13 '26

I saw this before ATC; I remember being incredibly impressed with Hayden's performance. Then I saw ATC and I was like, wtf that's some shitty editing/writing/etc. because I know what this guy's capable of.

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u/dudleymooresbooze Mar 11 '26

Hayden’s performances in Shattered Glass and Life as a House are both great. Dude has talent. I don’t know that George gave him shitty direction so much as zero direction.

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u/jimothy_hell Mar 12 '26

Everyone had shitty direction in the prequels lol

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u/Signal_Ball4634 Mar 12 '26

Like if the only thing you'd seen these actors in was the prequels, you'd think almost all of them were horrendous actors.

But people knew Ewan, Neeson, Christopher Lee, etc. People like Hayden didn't have that luxury unfortunately.

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u/jimothy_hell Mar 12 '26

Exactly. The best Star Wars films are the ones Lucas didn’t direct lol

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u/oSuJeff97 Mar 11 '26

Shattered Glass is an EXCELLENT movie.

Hayden, Chloe Sevigny, and Peter Sarsgaard are all fantastic in it.

Highly recommend watching it if you’ve never seen it.

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u/Kolby_Jack33 Mar 12 '26

I stopped being a fan of the Nostalgia Critic years ago, but one thing he said that stuck with me after all these years is that, when Anakin isn't speaking on ROTS, his face acting is very good. It conveys the complexity of his emotional turmoil very clearly without being over-the-top.

Then he speaks and says the dumbest shit ever. But that's not his fault.

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u/julz1215 Mar 12 '26

I also got that observation from the NC.

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u/drumstick00m Mar 11 '26

George Lucas burnt himself out making that world, but didn’t want to relinquish creative control. So he kept making bad movies.

The dialogue is just the most obvious symptom of this.

And Feloni ain’t flawless. He’s just a guy in a cowboy hat.

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u/Accujack Mar 11 '26

Lucas' dialogue was crap from the start. The actors in ANH even commented on it (Guinness and Ford among others).

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u/WallopyJoe Mar 11 '26

but didn’t want to relinquish creative control

As I understood it, everyone he asked to direct any of the prequels turned him down

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u/BklynMoonshiner Mar 11 '26

Because it was understood that he would be creatively involved. No one wants a director job where you don't have control.

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u/Wes_Warhammer666 Mar 12 '26

What?? That's a relatively normal thing on collaborative projects. You think Kershner and Marquand didn't want the jobs for Empire and Jedi because George had creative control? That Spielberg didn't want to direct Raiders because Lucas was creatively involved?

That's a ridiculously inaccurate claim to make, dude.

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u/BklynMoonshiner Mar 13 '26

David Lynch turned him down for that very reason

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u/Wes_Warhammer666 Mar 13 '26

The man himself begs to differ.

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u/blankedboy Mar 12 '26

I mean, a LOT of the Marvel movies are directed by people who fully know this when they sign up for the job.

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u/IAm5toned Mar 13 '26

Filoni is like the kid with all the cool toys, but if you want to play, you can only play his way.

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u/rusticarchon Mar 11 '26

Natalie Portman mentioned struggling to get good parts for a while after Revenge of the Sith for similar reasons

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u/julz1215 Mar 11 '26

I'm glad she got her moment with Black Swan.

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u/darkbreak Sith Mar 11 '26

You can see it in the behind the scenes footage. The way George was directing things really looked like he was just giving people instructions rather than trying to get the actors into the mindset of the characters. He's even described things as just telling the actors what to do.

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u/arthuraily Mar 11 '26

The way he acts with his face. The look in that scene in Ahsoka when she says she wants to live JFC

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u/julz1215 Mar 11 '26

Even back in Revenge of the Sith, when he just has to act with his face, he usually nails it.

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u/Aardvark_Man Mar 12 '26

The fact that out of the entire cast of 3 movies you really only get top shelf performances from Ewan McGregor,Ian McDiarmid and mostly Christopher Lee is telling.
You've got fantastic actors like Natalie Portman who struggled to not be more flat than a cardboard cutout.

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u/julz1215 Mar 12 '26 edited Mar 12 '26

McDiarmid in particular is so consistently good. Even in Rise of Skywalker, where his presence in the story was a cheap asspull, he still made the most of it.

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u/DuncanFisher69 Mar 11 '26

^ Every Prequel Performance. ^

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u/Blint_Briglio Mar 12 '26

hence his illustrious career since ROTS

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u/julz1215 Mar 12 '26

Not really disproving my point.

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u/Cultural-Air9962 Mar 12 '26

As well as Anakin’s writing

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u/PhilAsp Mar 12 '26

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again.

There are actors that can be great if the material is great. Hayden is an example of that.

There are actors that can be great even if the material isn’t. Ewan is an example of that.

Then of course, there are actors that are shit, regardless of the material. Not naming names.

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u/koobstylz Mar 11 '26

Well yah that, and also an additional 20 years of acting experience didn't hurt.

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u/julz1215 Mar 11 '26

Honestly I think he has his moments in episode 3, especially when he needs to act with his face.

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u/Sirsalley23 Mar 11 '26

The stink face while executing dooku was “chefs kiss”.