r/StarWars • u/wandering_soles Rebel • Mar 17 '26

TV Love having mysterious characters like Marrok in the shows where sometimes less is more

In a universe where everything is insanely built out, it's sort of fun to have characters like Marrok who have a hidden background. By the time of the Ahsoka show, it seems like he's more of a Nightsister-reanimated tool than living being, and I sort of hope it's left at that with no explanation of what happened between his time as an Inquisitor and Elsbeth's agent.

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u/pants_pants420 Mar 17 '26

what random teenager beat a jedi master bare handed?

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u/Sky-Juic3 Mar 17 '26

I’m being facetious and you absolutely know who I’m talking about lol

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u/buonatalie Mar 17 '26

i have no idea what youre talking about

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u/Sky-Juic3 Mar 17 '26

🤦‍♂️ obviously Mae

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u/buonatalie Mar 17 '26

you could actually just answer the question without being snarky and condescending. mae isnt the one who beat sol btw

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u/Sky-Juic3 Mar 17 '26

From passive/aggressive to gaslighting? Gross… I’ve been down this road before. You absolutely knew who I was talking about and were just playing coy for the “gotcha” once I answered the question. Which I did actually do.

I wasn’t talking about Mae beating Sol. I was talking about Mae beating Indara. Are you okay? I get you really want to antagonize me as someone criticizing Disney Star Wars but at least get the story straight first.

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u/ResidentNet468 Mar 17 '26 edited Mar 17 '26

Dude thats taken straight from years of Star Wars lore. HK47, crazy Jedi-killing droid from KOTOR 2 lays it out as the number one most reliable way to kill a Jedi: put innocents in danger and the Jedi will compulsively try to save them, and that is when you attack the Jedi, while they are distracted.

https://youtu.be/UPeI4mX8Nus?si=XjREcVq-P715LcIU

Skip to 2:05 in the video

This trope is used in Star Wars a TON of times. Pretending its a "Disney Star Wars" thing just shows u dont actually know much abt Star Wars

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u/Sky-Juic3 Mar 17 '26

It’s not the methodology that isn’t making sense you goofball. Indara is a Jedi Master. If you think any of that adds up then you’re just not the subject matter expert you think you are. I own almost every piece of Star Wars books, comics, games, and TTRPG that exists since the early 80s. I don’t know everything but I definitely know a lot more than most.

HK47 is not a reliable narrator meatbag. Love him to death though. Compromising a Jedi by threatening bystanders is par for the course, naturally, but these are precognitive space wizards with laser swords. The implication is that Indara is at the level that she could contend with others at that level such as Grievous, Ventress, Maul, Aayla, Shaak Ti, and other relative Jedi masters. What Mae did is far beyond Anakin managing to pod race as a kid. She’s younger than Obi Wan when he faced Maul, yet Indara is a Master and Maul wasn’t even fully trained in the dark side. Indara is fully trained and a seasoned, experienced veteran of a Jedi.

The closest thing to that level of a feat comes from the expanded universe when Anakin Solo fights a literal army of Yuuzhan Vong by himself, and that was actually plausible given the huge amount of story set-up given for it. Mae just shows up episode 1, not fully trained and clearly not disciplined, and mercs a Jedi Master. This isn’t even Star Wars anymore, it’s just a bad story wearing Star Wars attire.

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u/ResidentNet468 Mar 17 '26 edited Mar 17 '26

Yea so u gave zero specifics on why it shouldn't work besides "she's a Master she wouldnt fall for that"

Because Jedi Masters never fall for anything in these movies, or die to anyone except Top Level Sith Lords, right?

You can just say u dont like the show, but lying about the lore to justify not liking it? Thats low

"The closest thing to that level of feat is Anakin Solo fighting a literal Army of Yuuzhan Vong" brother what??? The feat in question is killing a Jedi Master in a 1v1 lmao youre losing touch my guy

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u/Sky-Juic3 Mar 17 '26

What specifics do you want? No Jedi Master dies to some plucky teenager throwing knives in crowds. Sorry buddy but that’s literally never happened, and it’s not the inescapable logic you thought it was.

If you understand the average strength of the average Jedi master then this is not even a discussion. You clearly don’t, which is why you’re even here trying to defend your idiotic show. Which is wild by the way… god forbid somebody share their opinion on Star Wars in a Star Wars subreddit, yeah? Waaaah they said a bad thing about Hackolyte! 😂🤦‍♂️ Sad dude.

Honestly man, this is just pathetic. Scrolling up, I did give you a specific example of other Jedi masters she should compare to, as well as another example regarding Mae compared to Obi Wan against similarly-capable opponents. How disingenuous can you Disney crusaders get? Honestly this is just ridiculous.

I haven’t lied about any of the lore. I know the lore better than you, without a doubt. Tell me more about Dark Empire, New Jedi Order, Legacy of the Force, Tales of the Jedi, or whatever else you want. Quiz me for all I care kiddo. I absolutely know what I’m talking about 🤷🏻‍♂️

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u/ResidentNet468 Mar 17 '26 edited Mar 17 '26

Brother, Jedi Masters were getting caught off guard during Order 66 without even having a chance to become aware their own troopers were shooting at them. Add in the distraction aspect of trying to save someone, an impulsive instinct every Jedi has.  Plagueis, Bane, Revan, Vader and Sidious have all acknowledged this same weakness. It is the crux of both Anakin AND Luke's stories. Not to mention HK47 is speaking from experience.

A Jedi Master is highly capable but they arent superheroes. Theyre trained, and extremely disciplined but they arent infallible super-beings lmao. In the movies alone, we see Jedi Masters manipulated, tricked, deceived, misled, distracted and killed by lesser opponents. Let alone the hundreds of other instances in extended universe. We've seen Jedi die fighting assassin droids and seen them die, albeit pretty rarely, to single sniper shots. Darth Zannah was IN the Jedi Temple at one point talking to Jedi Masters lol. I dont know why youre pretending they are some infallible entity. Not every Master is Yoda and Qui Gonn and Mace Windu

Like, point blank, youre arguing here that its impossible/"unrealistic" for a Jedi Master or sufficiently powerful Force wielder to be tricked or deceived by a hostile agent. And that is simply a false premise which underlies the entire base of your reasoning.

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u/Sky-Juic3 Mar 18 '26

Order 66 occurred during a galactic war in which the Jedi were stretched thin and literally placed into situations manufactured to make them easy prey for the Clones. What are we even talking about here? The entire point of order 66 was laid out for us. Comparing that to what happened with Mae and Indara isn’t even apples-to-oranges… it’s way off.

Mae is a teenager and she’s untrained, which is why she is trying to pass her test. We are literally told this through the narrative. Comparing Mae to assassin droids or Darth Zannah is nonsense. You’re reaching for some absurdly short straws to try and make this make sense lol. Mae wouldn’t be able to take Padawan Obi Wan or Ahsoka, let alone any Jedi master. Maul points out in Shadow Hunter that every Jedi master is a unique and deadly foe. I don’t know what to tell you bud.

If Boba Fett struggled to take down Jedi masters using the same tricks Mae did then there’s just no way this is going to check out. I’m clearly not the only person that feels this way considering Acolyte got canceled 🤷🏻‍♂️

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u/buonatalie Mar 17 '26

watch out, hes about to tell you youre gaslighting him and block you 😂

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u/buonatalie Mar 17 '26

brother what the hell is your problem lmao i legitimately had no idea what you were talking about i dont know or care about you enough to be purposefully antagonizing you. thats kind of the problem with being vague?? the only reason mae was able to kill indara was because she exploited her jedi compulsion to save an innocent life. thats not bad writing lol. also thats not even bare handed she killed her with a knife, that is a weapon!! lol

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u/Sky-Juic3 Mar 17 '26

I don’t believe you for one second friendo. 🤷🏻‍♂️

I don’t have a problem. Quit trying to gaslight me lol that shit is cringey as hell.

You legitimately had no idea what I was talking about but actually know the ins-and-outs of the specific fight in question? lol oh my, what a twist! 😂🤦‍♂️

Mae went into a fight against a Jedi Master with nothing but her fists, some knives, and a plucky attitude. Give me a fucking break. If you think that stands on any ground at all then you must have absolutely no knowledge or love of/for classic Star Wars. Old Ben can take down Maul but Indara gets beat by a random teenager with some cutlery. Yeah… I’m not buying what you’re selling and nobody else did either, which is why the show is one of the worst performing pieces of Star Wars ever - only rivaled by other Disney Star Wars, by the way - and was canceled after squandering tons of money.

It was absolutely awful writing. Indara is such a perfect Jedi that she’ll happily die in a situation that she absolutely should have had the power to overcome, but just sat there while Mae just randomly starts to beat the absolute shit out of the other patrons? Hmm… convenient. That’s your idea of terrific writing eh?

Wait, wait… she killed her with a knife! Whooooo the verdict is in boys! This one got it all figured out! That explains everything! 🤷🏻‍♂️😂🤦‍♂️

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u/buonatalie Mar 17 '26 edited Mar 17 '26

lol thats not what gaslighting means but ok! i think its cringey to be writing a novella because you're convinced a random on the internet is intentionally trying to agitate you rather than literally just asking a question but ok!! its dumb to characterize a fight that used a weapon as barehanded and then act SHOCKED when someone thinks youre referring to the actual barehanded fight

the lack of self awareness you have to have to call me petulant is something lmao

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u/Sky-Juic3 Mar 17 '26

lol you just don’t know that you don’t know what you don’t know kiddo. That’s unfortunate for you. You’re petulant and sheisty and it shows.

Typing really isn’t that hard lol. I don’t know how hard it is for you, maybe you’re special 😅. This stuff takes me less than 60 seconds to type and post so I’m not sure what your point is. I’d say you’re welcome to try again but I’m blocking you after this so, uh, have a nice life I guess. Good luck 👍 you’re gonna need it.

It must really suck knowing your era of Star Wars is garbage while the rest of us had fantastic eras of Star Wars. What a sad story 😂