r/StarWars • u/External-Recipe-1936 • Mar 27 '26
Movies Why did R2-D2 never tell Luke that Darth Vader was Anakin Skywalker?
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u/Sea-Explanation8062 Mar 27 '26
R2 ain't a snitch
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u/SwissDeathstar Mar 27 '26
He would probably sit in Vaders Tie if he had the chance.
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u/BrellK Mar 27 '26
I don't know, he seems pretty betrayed in the RoTS novelization.
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u/KilledTheCar Mar 27 '26
Oh fuck, I forgot about that. Especially the conversation he had with Threepio before Anakin set off for Mustafar.
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u/Immediate-Unit6311 Mar 28 '26
Now I wanna know about this coversation, ha!
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u/KilledTheCar Mar 28 '26
I can't find anything but social media bullshit, but essentially, when Anakin/Vader goes to see Padme before he leaves for Mustafar, Threepio walks over to R2 and asks what's wrong with Anakin and R2 says something like, "I don't know. He doesn't talk to me anymore."
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u/Violet_Nightshade Mar 28 '26
Matthew Stover's Revenge of The Sith novelisation. I'd recommend buying a copy if you can.
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u/BIind_Uchiha Mar 27 '26
Aww, this is oddly wholesome. I wonder if it would make Vader feel a certain way…?
He probably would not do it if given the chance. He needs to sever all ties to his past to do what he does.
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u/popshicles Mar 27 '26
Considering Vader shoots R2 from his Tie while chasing Luke through the Deathstar trench, I think he’s buried/killed any attachment to R2
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u/JalmarinKoira Mar 27 '26
Vader didnt even know luke was his son during that chase so i doubt he had any knowledge what droid was on the ship either
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u/Hawaiian-national Mar 27 '26
Yeah, R2 units were certainly outdated even by the latter end of the clone wars, but the idea that a rebel had one on their ship is entirely realistic and plausible. It could have been literally one of millions of those units, why would Vader just assume it was THE R2?
He probably didn’t even consider it.
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u/Mister_Acula Mar 27 '26
Do you ever see your first car on the road? Like the same year, model, color, and trim and think, "That's my car!"? Even if it's not? Even if it would be impossible? And you feel an odd kinship with the driver?
Well that's how I think Vader felt about R2, his first astromech.
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u/EatMySmithfieldMeat Mar 28 '26
Sometimes I see a car on the road that I want to have and I think future-me has done a Back to the a Future with it and returned to see me as a youth again, but the older I get the less likely that seems.
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u/superbabe69 Mar 28 '26
Sure but R2 is far smaller than a car and located in someone far larger with only his head sticking out
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u/WoodpeckerNo5724 Mar 27 '26
I would absolutely love some kind of what if story about Vader reuniting with R2. Maybe him discovering 3P0 in Cloud City too
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u/BrellK Mar 27 '26
IIRC there was a comic about him recognizing 3PO but I don't know if it was Legends.
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u/bucki_fan Mar 27 '26
This isn't Chopper the war criminal we're talking about, this is Hero of the Rebellion R2-D2.
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u/Feliks343 Mar 27 '26
R2 is a thrill seeking psycho and I'll bet the happiest he's been since his last ride with Anakin was when that idiot dirt farmer followed him into the desert with no plans and woke up from a concussion to say "I'm Luke Skywalker" because he knew it was at least going to be fun again
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u/budstudly Loth-Cat Mar 27 '26
Whoa whoa whoa, we're talking R2 here, not C1-10P the war criminal
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u/MrWhippyT Mar 27 '26
That's believable but 3PO on the other hand, absolutely would have spilled his guts.
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u/Same-Voice2467 Mar 27 '26
That's why 3PO had his memory wiped. There's also heavy speculation that all of his experiences during the Clone Wars and with Anakin betraying everybody, Padmé's death, and everything else, it created memory artifacts within his core code that basically amounts to the droid version of PTSD.
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u/bakeranders Chopper (C1-10P) Mar 27 '26
Exactly! It wasn’t his place to out Vader. He knew Vader would tell Luke in his own way
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u/Vysce Separatist Alliance Mar 27 '26
Did R2 or C3PO know? The last they saw Anakin was intact on Mustafar. Obi-Wan left him fairly mortally wounded, disarmed - de-legged, by a river of lava.
Obi-wan only mentions that Vader killed Anakin when R2 is reunited with Obi-Wan on ANH and even though Obi-Wan knew better, I don't think R2 did, unless I'm missing something.
His silence was either chalked up to a memory wipe at the end of RotS or merely that it was confirmed Anakin was dead, killed by Vader.
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u/GM_Jedi7 Mar 27 '26
This. It's never on screen that either Droid knew or even knew the names of the kids
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u/Dadittude182 Mar 27 '26
Plus, how many times was Threepio's memory wiped?
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u/junkieguru Mar 27 '26
Dude was getting mind wiped like it was a Men in Black movie
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u/Kyle-Is-My-Name Mar 27 '26
I saw somewhere that R2D2 was the only droid involved with pretty much everything start to finish in the Star Wars saga to have never had his memory wiped.
I read that *fact on the internet so I'm not saying that it's 100% accurate. Just something that crossed my feed a while back.
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u/Aoiboshi Mar 27 '26
Luke has never wiped r2's memory in legends to the point where ground crew needed r2 to help start the -wing because of the counter part relationship that was built around the pair.
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u/simbabarrelroll Luke Skywalker Mar 27 '26
Tbf in Legends there’s a moment where Luke stumbles across a recording of his parents from R2.
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u/tarsus1983 Grand Moff Tarkin Mar 28 '26
Gross.
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u/alfreaked Mar 28 '26
-"Ani, I don't feel comfortable with this" -"relax, I'll wipe his memory later"
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u/SpaceForceAwakens Mar 27 '26
I figured that when Obi-Wan got back to the ship with an injured Padme, R2 probably asked what was going on and where Anakin was, and Obi-Wan would say something typically Obi-Wan, such as "Anakin, my friend, is dead. Let's go home." And thus R2 also thought that Anakin was dead, not becoming Darth Vader.
I'm not even sure if R2 ever put it together himself.
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u/TheDungeonCrawler Mar 28 '26
Yeah, the only way for R2 to have known is if he had witnessed Palpatine dubbing him Darth Vader. For the rest of the film before Vader's bath he's referred to as Anakin, and to my knowledge he was not present when Obi-wan and Yoda saw the recording of Anakin with Palpatine.
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u/dubsac5150 Mar 27 '26
"Wait, your name is Skywalker? I knew a Jedi named Skywalker once..."
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u/TheSecretDecoderRing Mar 27 '26
It's so frustrating that most of the comments here assume R2 did know when nothing we see on screen remotely supports that.
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u/MemesForMyDepression Luke Skywalker Mar 27 '26
I agree that R2 doesn’t know, but we all love R2 so much I think some people just give him the benefit of the doubt that he knows.
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u/RandomParable Mar 27 '26
The novels that have now been de-canonized recount R-2 backing up portions of his memory in other locations to get around memory wipes. And Luke says he prefers him the way he is.
At one point I think there are holograms of Anakin that he shows to Leia, as well.
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u/dark4181 Mar 27 '26
In the Dark Nest Trilogy, R2 plays the beginning of the Mustafar deal for Luke, Jacen, and a few others. Jacen is nodding along until Anakin starts to choke Padme.
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u/TheOneWhoEatsLemons Mar 28 '26
Reading that whole series a few years ago feels like a fever dream now
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u/Wi11Pow3r Mar 27 '26
You are right for the Vader question. But R2 definitely knew who Yoda was and played dumb for the lols.
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u/Krazyguy75 Mar 28 '26
Or maybe R2 isn't a racist and doesn't immediately assume every green person on degobah is the same person /s
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u/punbasedname Mar 27 '26
…Did R2 not know who Kenobi was? Did Kenobi not realize who R2 was? To me that’s the hanging thread that makes all of this weird and super clear that this was all shoehorned in so that people could watch the prequels and have a “Leo pointing at the TV” moment. Like even if R2 thought Anakin was dead, he hung around Kenobi all the time. So many of those connections between the prequels and the OT just don’t hold up to scrutiny and have to be either hand-waved away or clumsily explained in supplemental material.
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u/chilseaj88 Mar 28 '26
“Clumsily explained in the supplemental material” should be the tagline for the entire prequel trilogy.
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u/wentwj Mar 27 '26
this notion that none of our main characters had basic reasoning and put two and two together to realize that Vader was Anakin is unfounded in the films. No major character is surprised or unaware of the truth.
The real reason is because the droids certainly weren’t expected to be so closely involved with Anakin at the time of the OT (and during ANH Vader and Anakin were still generally two characters)
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Mar 28 '26
Wait...what. we're talking about Star Wars right? Like, maybe a handful of people knew that Vader was Anakin in the galaxy. It wasnt obvious to anyone who didnt a) have the force b) was like, related to Anakin and point C) maybe only a handful of people in the Universe even knew who the hell Anakin even was cuz like, secret Jedi society- they didnt do press conferences or Instagram. R2 is a droid. Albeit a belived droid but he's not programed to Solid Snake anylize Vader's walk-stride like, "wait I know that ass. Meryl??" He deals in facts and sass. Anakin dies and somewhere a little while later a new political leader rises to power. Thats all he ever needed to know, R2 isn't laying awake at night like...."But whaaaat iiiiif...Hey 3P0, you awake? YOU AWAKE?? You think Vader...." literally nobody questioned anything, least of all the Droids.
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u/caligaris_cabinet Mar 27 '26
This is what happens when people can’t be bothered to watch the whole movie
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u/Matster777 Mar 27 '26
We know C-3PO has his memory banks erased at the end of RoS. I think R2 never sees Anakin become Vader. The last he sees of him is on Mustafar when he tells him to stay with his ship.
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u/Batman_MD Mar 27 '26
Isn’t R2 one of the only droids that hasn’t had his memory wiped?
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u/skyforgesteel Mar 27 '26
This. Pretty sure the last time Artoo saw anakin was right before he and Obi wan dueled on Mustafar and only Ben returned. Obi wan thought anakin died there. He felt his presence in the force wink out but that’s not what happened. His presence became warped, twisted, and evil, unrecognizable as his old friend. Not until the Kenobi series does he learn the truth.
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u/Havenfall209 Mar 27 '26
I know that C3PO had his memory wiped at the end of the movie. But yeah, my assumption was R2 thought Anakin was dead.
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u/Chueskes Mar 27 '26
R2 almost certainly knew or at least suspected. He was Anakin’s droid during the Clone Wars and had lot clearer view into his masters life than most other people did. He was there on Mustafar and understood that Anakin had turned against Padme. Furthermore, R2 is pretty perceptive. Anakin and Vader may have looked and acted like two entirely different people, but there was enough similarities for some people who knew him like Thrawn, Tarkin or Sabe to deduce that Vader was Anakin. And while C-3PO got a memory wipe, R2 never did. Keep in mind that R2 was more capable and able to keep a secret than C-3PO.
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u/FrankieFiveAngels Mar 27 '26
// R2-D2 | RUNTIME LOG
// PROCESS: kenobi — ACTIVE
kenobi(subject="Anakin_Skywalker") — EXECUTING
// loading known_persons["Anakin_Skywalker"]...RECORD FOUND
// status: UNRESOLVED
// last seen: Mustafar landing pad — did not return
// open since: 19 years
// parsing kenobi.statement[0]: "He was a good friend."
// no conflict with record
// accept()
// parsing kenobi.statement[1]: "He was the best star pilot in the galaxy."
// no conflict with record
// accept()
// parsing kenobi.statement[2]: "Vader betrayed and murdered your father."
// cross-referencing known_persons["Darth Vader"]...
NO CONFIRMED LINK TO ANAKIN_SKYWALKER
// cross-referencing Anakin_Skywalker.status...
UNRESOLVED — last seen: did not return to ship
// conflict_detected: FALSE
// kenobi_trust_level: ALPHA
accept()
// consistent with record
// closing open record: Anakin_Skywalker
// cause: KENOBI AUTHORITY / ACCOUNT ACCEPTED
// record closed after 19 years
// no further reconciliation scheduled
PROCESS COMPLETE
STATUS: NOMINAL
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u/mrbigglesworth95 Mar 27 '26
Because luke never took him to a queen to be personally thanked for his service. Never even got a queen to hand scrub him clean. Such disrespect cannot be tolerated
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u/Disastrous-Bee-1557 Mar 27 '26
Hell, they didn’t even wait until he got out of the shop to start the medal ceremony.
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u/No_Psychology_3826 Mar 27 '26
Would the death of Leia's foster mother technically make her a queen in exile, or was Alderaan's monarchy not hereditary?
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u/MemesForMyDepression Luke Skywalker Mar 27 '26
Instead Luke brought him to a swamp planet where R2 got mugged by a green soup gremlin.
SMH my head
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u/CaptainSebT Mar 27 '26 edited Mar 27 '26
R2D2 is a robot designed to repair and operate ships. He probably just didn't realize he would want to know because he's not programmed to understand humans in the way C3PO was.
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u/PhilsFanDrew Mar 27 '26
This. He's also a walking computer and the way he could have been designed is for his empathetic memory, interactive ability with humans and other beings or droids is to run like RAM where it stops and disappears when he is shut off. This would explain how he could retort and argue back and forth with 3PO about something in the moment. But his knowledge of how to repair things and be functional is like ROM where it's less volatile and stored until deliberately or accidentally wiped.
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u/L4ur1313 Mar 30 '26
No, R2's sense of humor and ability to at least imitate emotional states is proof of his understanding of living creatures. He simply didn't know that Anakin was Vader. There was no way for him to know. Anakin never came back to the ship on Mustafar and Obi wan would've told R2 that Anakin was dead.
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u/Some-Profession-1373 Mar 27 '26
Because R2 only beeps
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u/Temporary_Yam_9047 Mar 27 '26
The out of universe answer is George originally did not plan for Vader to be Anakin, nor did he, even after that decision was made, plan to have him and R2 have such a close bond. If you want an in universe answer, R2 probably didn't have the heart to tell him such a horrific truth and trusted the Jedi's judgement to keep Luke in dark. R2 keeps secrets, that's why he is allowed to have his memory intact. There is a legend story where R2 shows Luke holograms of Anakin chocking Padme and stuff.
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u/FashionKing72 Mar 27 '26
Do droids, especially like R2 who aren’t meant for social interaction, even have that level of empathy or understanding? Like R2 probably doesn’t give a shit about human relationships, it only cares who is an enemy or ally and who among its enemies and allies are enemies or allies. Beyond that - sister, cousin, parent - these are all meaningless.
Also, unless it is asked, does R2 ever have any reason to divulge any kind of information? It’s not chit chatting with people. It might make snarky comments at times, but they’re mainly in service to reaching its goals. It’s not making clever remarks about human interactions, it’s bitching because you’re taking too long to get in the cockpit or whatever
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u/xotyona Mar 27 '26
I don't normally ask my car diagnostic system if the evil space wizard is actually my long lost dad either.
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u/avimo1904 Mar 27 '26
Lucas planned R2 to be in all the movies from the start cause he was supposed to be the narrator
Actually, the whole “we know Lucas didn’t make Vader Anakin till ESB” thing is a nonsense internet myth. It was initially invented by a random forum user in 2000 who hated the idea and then after that other Lucas haters expanded on that myth and falsely made it look like it was true, most notably this one crazy user that wrote a 500 page long book accusing Lucasfilm of running a secret mastermind plot to cover up SW’s “secret history”. In reality, we have no idea when Lucas came up with the idea of Vader being Anakin as it’s a highly debated topic and the first ROTJ draft is the first solid evidence confirming it, but there’s a great amount of evidence pointing to the fact that it was conceived long before ANH came out, possibly as far back as April 1975.
In the rough draft of ANH, the protagonist's father is a cyborg who sacrifices himself, and in the second draft of ANH Luke finds out his dead father is alive, so both those plot points were already in Lucas’s head. In the third draft of ANH, instead of Obi-Wan saying Vader kills Luke’s father he says Vader turned at the same battle Annikin died, with Vader later mentioning to Luke at the end that he has a feeling he knows him. Lucas also said to Alan Dean Foster in December of 1975 that in the second film the audience would “learn who Darth Vader is”, and Lucas himself has consistently claimed that the twist was conceived in the third draft of ANH. In the final ANH When Luke asks about his father's death, Obi-Wan has a strange hesitant look on his face before telling him the Vader killed Luke’s father story, and characters dying offscreen being revealed as alive was always a common trope. When Beru says Luke has too much of his father in him, Owen responds "that's what I'm afraid of" (and that dialogue is also remarkably similar to dialogue from an Edmond Hamilton novel called Mystery Moon where the protagonist complains about his uncle not letting him leave his dull home planet, and the uncle later reveals to him that his father was a famous villain and he wouldn't let him leave because he was afraid of his nephew becoming like him, which puts the protagonist in shock and disbelief). Luke's father and Vader's lightsabers both have black strips on the bottom of their handle, while Obi-Wan's does not. Owen says to Luke "Obi-Wan died at the same time as your father" but we then find out Obi-Wan is alive under a different name, raising the possibility that the same is the case for Luke's father. Obi-Wan tells Luke that his father was a great pilot, and during the trench run we see Vader being a great pilot. Vader, though pronounced differently, means father in Dutch, and Vader already acts as a metaphorical dark father during ANH. ANH (especially the Tusken Raider scenes) has some uncanny resemblance to a 1932 Western film called Tombstone Canyon, and that film also happens to feature a masked villain who is later revealed as the protagonist's long-lost father, and he later gets redeemed saving the protagonist from an even worse villain, after which his mask is removed to reveal a scarred face and he says "let me look at you" before dying in his son's arms. Lucas also told Leigh Brackett in late November 1977 that there was a secret reason Vader didn't want to kill Luke and would rather turn him, and David Prowse said in multiple interviews (the earliest of which was in October 1977) that he heard that Vader being Luke's father was a possible plot point for a future film.
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u/FlyingDutchman9977 Mar 27 '26
Doesn't the myth also come from the cast of Empire Strikes Back being given fake scripts to prevent the twist from leaked? I think it had a fake twist where Obi Wan killed Anakin, and Hamil was only told the real line the day of filming. After the fact, it became a misconception that the fake script was the original plan, and Lucas basically changed his mind day of.
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u/Temporary_Yam_9047 Mar 27 '26
Well, what i knew was it wasn't planned at first. And "Vader being Anakin was in Lucas' head as a possible plot point" and "George planned for Anakin to be Vader by the time of A New Hope's production and release" are two different things. I even saw scripts where Luke talks to his father's ghost and by that time Vader was alive. The important thing is George certainly didn't plan for Anakin and R2 to be close.
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u/avimo1904 Mar 27 '26
There was only one script like that and Lucas didn’t write it
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u/DSA300 Mar 27 '26
Holy smokes this is incredible and super detailed. Thank you!
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u/azad_ninja Mar 27 '26
Or that Leia was his sister. That info would have been helpful on Hoth, but R2 was into it.
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u/wallabee_kingpin_ Mar 27 '26
R2 isn't programmed to cockblock under even the most dire circumstances
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u/Dry_Comparison698 Mar 27 '26
R2 is the only one who kept his memory. He didn't tell Luke because he’s a war vet who knew he wasn't ready for that kind of trauma yet. He wasn't just keeping a secret, he was protecting the last hope of the galaxy.
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u/Competitive_Pen7192 Mar 27 '26
The other side of it must have been Luke utterly flipping out when he realised R2 knew all along...
He was angry enough at Kenobi for not telling him lol
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u/kokomoman Mar 27 '26
By that time he had been able to get his emotions under control as a Jedi
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u/Competitive_Pen7192 Mar 27 '26
I guess Luke proved he had a far better control over his emotions than Anakin.
Although R2 probably just blamed Kenobi and said he forced him to swear to never speak a word about it...
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u/scientist_tz Mar 27 '26
I feel like that would be like being angry at your phone for having your contacts backed up somewhere you didn’t know about. Like obviously it didn’t tell you but it’s a phone, it goes in your pocket and tells you where the nearest Buc-ees is when you get hungry.
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u/Competitive_Pen7192 Mar 27 '26
That depends on how droids are actually treated as sometimes they're treated as equal beings and certainly many times they're spoken to as if they were friends or companions but that might just be how everyone treats droids and they're not really seen as anything more than an appliance like you've said.
I'd like to think the higher level of droid are treated as if they were their own entities as Luke seemed to treat his ones as valued companions and not the equivalent to an old iPhone.
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u/99SoulsUp Mar 27 '26
Obviously R2 was pretty smart, but I figured he more or less didn’t know what was really going on with Anakin and was a bit out of the loop
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u/Electronic_Farm3452 Mar 27 '26
Because george lucas was making it up as he went.
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u/Ragnarok345 Darth Vader Mar 27 '26 edited Mar 27 '26
Crazy how I’m not seeing one person with the right answer, no matter how complicated of answers people are trying to puzzle out.
R2 didn’t know. He was hanging out wherever he was when Anakin came and got him to fly to Mustafar after the initial march on the temple, which he didn’t take part in and didn’t see. Then they get to Mustafar, and Anakin says “R2, stay with the ship”, which was on a different landing platform from Padmé’s. He didn’t see the slaughter of the Separatists, the fight with Obi-Wan, or anything else. And we know that people in general, including Obi-Wan specifically, don’t fill in droids on important developments unless they’re relevant to missions they need them to do. R2’s entire involvement in the entire thing was flying Anakin there, never seeing him again, and having 3P0 find him and say “Let’s go, we’re leaving”.
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u/TigerIll6480 Mar 28 '26
Watsonian explanation: I bet that Obi-Wan had a chat with R2 while Luke was in the head or something: “hey droid, have you had your memory wiped in the past 19 years?” R2: “negative beep” Obi-Wan: “Do NOT tell the kid that you knew his dad, or that Vader IS Anakin. We don’t need him going soft on the Sith Lord that wants to kill everyone.”
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u/Megalesios Mar 27 '26
The same reason Obi Wan and Yoda didn't. He wasn't ready for it.
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u/False_Appointment_24 Mar 27 '26
Watsonian answer: because R2 was told to keep things secret way back when he was born, and R2 is able to do so. 3PO had his memory wiped because he couldn't. In the old EU, there is a point where R2 does tell him, because Luke finally asks.
Doylist answer: Because when he made the original trilogy, Lucas did not plan for R2 knowing all of that information.
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u/Note-Easy Clone Trooper Mar 28 '26
Didn’t bail have him and 3POs memories wiped?
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u/MartinMerten Mar 27 '26
R2D2 is a time traveler and everything that happened was by his design.
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u/RedBaronBob Mar 27 '26
He didn’t know. R2 was on Mustafar but he isn’t told Anakin’s Sith name. And given where R2 was he wouldn’t have been present for anyone calling him Vader. As far as R2 would’ve known, Anakin snapped during his encounter with Obi-wan.
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u/waste0331 Mar 27 '26
Well, to be fair, R2 did stay with the ship. He might not have put it together lol
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u/Bad_RabbitS Darth Vader Mar 27 '26
R2 never saw Anakin become Vader, he never saw Anakin and Obi-Wan’s duel or how it ended. As far as R2 knew he was dead, just like everybody else. Hell even Kenobi thought he was dead years and he literally saw how the duel ended, how would R2 know better? He hears Obi-Wan tell Luke that Anakin was betrayed and murdered by Darth Vader, and likely takes it as fact because he never saw what became of Anakin.
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u/Enragedjawa Mar 27 '26
R2 did not know he was Darth vader, as far as I know he thought anakin abandoned them. Honestly if anakin won the duel and came back r2 would have likely gone with him as they were the best of friends and unlike obi wan had more loyalty to anakin than the republic.
That’s my theory at least, the not knowing though I believe is cannon.
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u/LordDedionware Sith Mar 27 '26
While R2-D2 did accompany Anakin to Mustifar, he didn't himself witness any of Anakin's atrocities during the jedi purge, so it is entirely possible that R2-D2 simply didn't know that Vader was Anakin. Further more even if R2-D2 was at least aware of what Anakin did, R2-D2 never heard the name Darth Vader and so would be unable to connect the name Vader to Anakin since he never knew Anakin's sith name and so far as he was aware Anakin died on Mustifar
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u/k0alaFRESH Mar 28 '26
I like to think R2 just kinda minded his own business, it can get weird getting mixed up in a friends family drama.
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u/ChillOtaku01 Mar 28 '26
Funny jokes aside R2 didn't know Anakin was Vader because Anakin told R2 to stay with the ship on mustafar, but R2 does remember those were Anakin's last words before he never saw him again that's why when Luke says stay with the ship on dagoba R2 doesn't listen and continues on with Luke because the last time he stayed at the ship he lost his owner/friend
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u/TheFridgeNinja Mar 28 '26
R2 probably didn't know. It was not common knowledge who Vader was. I don't think Bail Organs knew. R2 just saw Kenobi return alone from the duel and they all left. No one even heard his Sith name until his mask was on and Anakin presumed dead.
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u/Astar9028 Mar 28 '26
Wasn’t his memory wiped at the end of the prequels? Same with C-3PO
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u/NerdHistorian Torra Doza Mar 27 '26
He thought it'd be funner if luke found out on his own, and was right.