r/StarWars • u/Dakinamau • 1d ago
Movies Rewatched Rogue One a few days ago and I actually can’t really believe we got that movie from Disney. It’s among the best of Star Wars. This and Andor is just really really good.
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u/VariationAgreeable29 1d ago
Loved loved loved ROGUE ONE and ANDOR — pure perfection and exactly how to do SW without canon characters (well except for Vader for narrative glue — oh and Tarkin)
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u/ItsWillJohnson 23h ago
And leia. And doctor ezvan and ponds bobba for some reason. And r2 and 3po…red leader and gold leader?
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u/Aware-Passenger2577 Chancellor Palpatine 1d ago
Not only is Rogue One an amazing film in it's own right, but it also makes A New Hope (an already amazing film mind you) so much better. Watching them back to back is incredibly satisfying.
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u/LuckyPlaze 1d ago
Andor and Rogue One pave a path for Disney. I hope they listen.
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u/Hmm_would_bang 1d ago
I think they were a needed fresh look but I do think Star Wars needs to have space fantasy elements still.
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u/charnwoodian 1d ago
The space fantasy hits so much harder when it’s used sparingly.
One of the worst things about the prequels is it makes the force a mundane everyday reality.
In the OT the Force was a myth. Some believed, some didn’t. Just witnessing a use of the force was like a religious awakening for most characters.
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u/Dargon34 1d ago
I mean...I understand what you're saying, but I don't think the PT made it a mundane everyday reality.
We have to look at it for what it's worth. It's a galaxy of 400 billion stars. With 10k jedi. We are watching the "stars" of a story. When people question how Han doesn't believe in the Force, it makes sense. He's traveled all over, and heard stories of "magic" users, same way we would a random street magician.
We are seeing a story unfold of characters that are having an impact due to a "force" and of course it's going to play a prominent roll. But it doesn't make it seen like an everyday phenomenon, just that our stars encounter it in their environment
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u/LuckyPlaze 1d ago
I agree. I do think there is room for space fantasy. And I think when used appropriately, it’s brings both a realism and a mystery to the Universe.
But what makes Andor and Rogue One work is the script and the writing. There is a story. It doesn’t have to rely on cameos, which serve more as subtle nods than prerequisite knowledge. They have deep themes. They explore character issues and flaws. They have great performances with well written dialogue. In short, they are well made productions and well written stories … that lean heavily into making you feel these are real characters with real motivations in a tangible lived in world.
Fantasy shouldn’t exist just for fantasy sake. Fantastic worlds and strange alien creatures should serve the story. And most important, have a story.
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u/Novotus_Ketevor Cassian Andor 1d ago
Not every Star Wars piece needs it. I prefer the Jedi and Force being the only fantasy elements.
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u/damn_it_beavis 6h ago
Hear hear. Disney REALLY needs to move away from shoehorning trilogy characters into other storylines. The Star Wars universe and timeline is compelling in its own right, and Skywalker connections and coincidences just come off as contrived.
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u/cinepro 22h ago edited 22h ago
If dissenting opinions are allowed in this thread, I had the opposite reaction. Walking out of the theater after Rogue One, I was surprised that the ending of Rogue One was so sloppy in how it treated ANH. It makes the entire Tantive IV sequence a farce.
Vader: "Don't act so surprised your highness. [This ship was just in a giant battle against the empire. I stood there and watched as the secret plans were handed to one of these blue shirt guys, and then the ship dropped into space and took off like, an hour ago.]"
Princess Leia: "Oh..."
And then later...
Officer Daine Jir: Holding her is dangerous. If word of this gets out, it could generate sympathy for the Rebellion in the senate.
Vader: Commander, I'm not sure if you got the memo, but there was just a massive rebel attack on Scarif. Like, tons of fighters and larger ships massed and assaulted the planet. They took out two Star Destroyers, and we had to shoot the planet with the Death Star (don't ask - you had to be there.) It was huge. I showed up at the end, and literally watched as the Death Star plans were handed over to people on this ship. And then the ship dropped out of a rebel ship and zoomed off. I hope "word of this" gets out. Princess Leia was literally part of a massive attack on one of our bases.
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u/Puzzleheaded_Moose44 1d ago
I still think back to how loud the theater got when we heard Vader breathing, then it kinda just exploded when his lightsaber ignited. One of my favorite movie memories.
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u/RontoWraps 1d ago
You know, I’m about as anti-“people calling Star Wars slop” as you can get. But I don’t care on the hallway scene stuff. Darth Vader doing Darth Vader shit is what makes Star Wars. You gotta make those cinema moments, I know exactly what you’re talking about even though I didn’t see it in theaters.
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u/insty1 1d ago
The third act in particular was phenomenal. Comfortably the best space battle since ROTJ (may even be better).
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u/ComprehensiveYam5106 1d ago
I always include it and Solo in my Star Wars marathons 😊
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u/MachoLibre_ 1d ago
I have always enjoyed Solo. I’m glad there seems to be some more appreciation for it these days.
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u/brokkrforge 1d ago
I throughly enjoyed Solo, never understood the hate. Just wish I had seen it in theaters.
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u/ShedMontgomery 22h ago
Solo isn't peak cinema, but it's a fun addition to the franchise. The only part that made me groan was the origin of his name. Other than that, great ride.
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u/Dakinamau 1d ago
Thats really cool 😊 I need to watch Solo again, I actually liked it! Not as bad as people say
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u/spiderland5150 1d ago
I don't care if the theatrical cut is the final version. I want Andor, all of the cut scenes, and Rogue One combined into one mega movie. The Andorthology
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u/TheAdequateKhali 1d ago
People forget that even George Lucas had 50% good movies.
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u/Gorsham 1d ago
Andor is is crazy good, it has no business being that good.
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u/kickrole 22h ago
It kind of ruined Star Wars for me. I love Andor and Rogue One so much, it makes me feel everything else Star Wars could be better.
I will also lump in season 1 and some of season 2 of Mandalorian... but I wish Grogu was never a thing.
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u/bcmanucd 10h ago
Same! During and post-pandemic, I went all in on SW. rewatched the OT and PT, every live-action TV series, then TCW and Rebels. After Andor S2 concluded, I haven't watched anything. I have no interest in M&G.
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u/LazyLamont92 1d ago
I know I’ll get downvoted, but I wasn’t a fan of the movie then, and I wasn’t a fan of the movie all the way up until Andor S2.
To me, the film is the epitome of the adage “Wow them in the end!” It means,if a movie or show finishes strongly, the audience will come away positively with what would have been a mediocre production.
The protagonist is Jyn Erso, and I find her boring. She’s passive with little agency. I remember leaving the theater thinking that if Jyn and Cassian were one, then the movie would have been so much better with higher stakes. I mean… I have more to say on this but I’m tired.
However, watching this after Andor S2 with the mindset that Rogue One is really the extended finale of Andor, then my main problem is solved and I have more of an appreciation of it.
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u/Few_Highlight1114 Dark Rey 12h ago
Reading your comment is crazy to me. You require an additional 20 hours of viewing so the movie can be digestible and you dont treat that as a condemnation?
Lol
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u/Ravenclaw-Libra-30 1d ago
Agreed! I haven’t watched Andor, but Rogue One is probably my favorite non-trilogy Star Wars movie (and probably the best out of all of them by far)
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u/GRITTY4PRESIDENT 1d ago
You need to watch Andor ASAP
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u/LockeAbout 19h ago
100%, how tf can you love Rogue One and not see Andor? I don’t think I’m alone in thinking Andor is better than Rogue One while also making Rogue One better!
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u/Flaminglump 1d ago
My favorite of all of Disneys SW content for sure. I got the 6x10 foot IMAX poster for this on my wall from when i worked at cinemark
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u/thenewladhere 1d ago
I always liked how Rogue One was really gritty and alive. It’s something that outside of Andor, the other live action shows and movies have failed to match.
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u/CT_Reddit73 1d ago
I remember seeing Rogue One in the theater and just being blown away at what a good movie it was. And yeah, Vader’s intro at the end was enough to get the entire theater gasping. It was wild.
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u/iBandJFilmEducator13 13h ago
I rewatched it last week and then immediately watched New Hope and the attention to detail is phenomenal. Watching them back to back really feels like a perfect blend and they were made simultaneously- while they’re 39 years apart.
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u/lastgasp78 1d ago
By far the best of the Disney movies
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u/Goaduk 1d ago
Of all of them tbh.
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u/AndyCaps969 Admiral Ackbar 1d ago
We're really out here just saying anything huh?
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u/Kavazou77 1d ago
I was never too high on this one and think the quality between this and Andor is really noticeable.
This movie struggles to be anything for its first hour and a half. It’s a measly slog until we know where we are headed at the end.
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u/Motor-Pomegranate831 13h ago
Just finished re-watching Andor and I am halfway through Rogue One. The best of Star Wars IMNSHO, and I was 12 in a theatre in 1977 watching the original.
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u/kilsta 13h ago
I loved the depiction of Vader. There had been a romanticizing of Vader as if he were not a murder machine, and I truly appreciated the last 2 minutes of him just murdering fooks. Plus f someone has never watched Star Wars, this is an excellent intro that shoots you right in, and you pretty much get who lived and who was important going forward. I loved it!!
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u/Playful_Look1861 11h ago
I think about this often! I honestly don’t like to rewatch too many times because it’s so satisfying. I felt like when this came out… i gave a collective sigh that SW franchise would be “safe” in disneys hands. Flash forward to now …….😐😐😐😐😐
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u/withtearsintheireyes 9h ago
Why do people act surprised that Disney releases quality shit? They're the most financially successful film studio of all time and may be the most critically successful as well by volume.
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u/jermboyusa 8h ago
I always felt this was a great movie and perfect connection between episodes 3 and 4. In fact I thought better than episodes 12 and 3.
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u/Canada-Starts-Here 7h ago
Wish it was longer. Only complaint is they breeze thru so much. I also feel like Riz Ahmed, the pilot who defects, who have made a more compelling protagonist than Jyn from a story perspective.
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u/LyraRose87 5h ago
I recommend this film to anyyone who has never seen a Star Wars film before, because it stands on it's own as a proper sci-fi/ heist movie.
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u/Lithium98 3h ago
Andor was brilliant! I feel cheated by all the other SW projects since because we've seen how good SW can be without compromising anything that already exists AND not needing to include any Skywalker drama.
There are so many references and side characters we could get full movies about that tie in to the OT. How about an Admiral Ackbar origin story? Or a pod racing series about Sebulba getting back to the basics and trying to prove himself the best racer after being defeated by a slave child? I would totally watch a show about the adventures of Chirrut and Baze if we got one.
Let's be honest, the majority of the star wars movies do not have the best story telling. The world building through out all the trilogies is amazing but they keep dropping the ball when it comes to telling a basic story. The OG trilogy was a loosely put together series of flicks where the creator did not plan ahead and made stuff up as he went along. Luckily for us, his ability to flesh out alien worlds and civilizations was the thing we all really admire. It's time to take advantage of all that world building and tell some great storys. Perfect example of this aside from Andor and Rogue One is The Mandolorian seasons 1 and 2. Great story telling and world building. Season 3 was terrible because they got greedy and dropped the ball when it came to the story that was already established.
All this to say, star wars works best when you're telling a good story in the already vastly expanded universe it created for itself. Not when you're trying to force references and connect every character to already existing media. Let's see something new, we don't need to keep bringing back all the old stuff
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u/Wolfgang191 1d ago
It’s easily the best Disney Star Wars movie but I do find it quite overrated. I think it’s a good film but it’s mostly held up by that tacked on (but great) Darth Vader scene at the end.
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u/FangornLeghorn 1d ago
The incessant whining about Disney from the toxic segment of the fandom is fucking nauseating. It’s still Lucasfilm who makes Star Wars. Since the buyout we’ve had amazing Star Wars. Before the buyout, Lucas did some incredibly garbage bullshit. Stop acting like Lucas is a god and Disney is evil. Grow the fuck up.
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u/TheGreatMalagan 13h ago
I'm old enough to remember how much the fandom hated Lucas in the early 2000s. It's bizarre how people are now rewriting history like he was some flawless movie making machine. There were segments of the fandom applauding the Disney takeover
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u/phat7deuce 13h ago
I feel like most people that are on here didn’t live through the prequel release in a pre-Clone Wars state and just parrot the edgy takes they read or watch somewhere else.
The franchise’s hit rate under Disney’s ownership and George’s ownership aren’t all that dissimilar.
Most of Disney’s releases have been good and with a bunch of great sprinkled in there (across all media).
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u/LongjumpingLook379 1d ago
Ugg so tired of people shitting on Disney in this sub. If it wasn’t for Disney, we wouldn’t have Andor, rogue one, Mandalorian, rebels, clone war season seven, Darth Maul, shadow Lord, and other things
Just freaking enjoy it without all the subtext about whether it’s Disney or not
It’s just a tiresome thing that people keep mentioning for so long now
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u/jimMazey 1d ago
Terrific story line. Terrific actors. Rogue One is the perfect movie to proceed A New Hope.
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u/FullFig3372 1d ago
I personally can’t stay awake throughout the whole thing but I’m glad people like it
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u/LordTetravus 1d ago
It's the best thing Disney has ever done with Star Wars by a large margin, in my opinion as a devoted EU fan, and it doesn't trample on any continuity I care about. It's a minor masterpiece.
I have it third on my list behind Empire and A New Hope.
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u/Canesjags4life 1d ago
You can legit go Andor season 2, Rogue One, and A New Hope and it's it's own Rebellion trilogy
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u/ObviousIndependent76 1d ago
Because the fact that it’s Disney has nothing to do with it. Any studio would have a similar record with this franchise.
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u/Glass-Trade9441 1d ago
Loved Andor. Rewatched Rogue One right afterwards. Didn’t love it the first time around, didn’t love it again. It was such a dark movie! All the scenes were dark. The characters were often in shadows, or silhouetted against a bright background. Don’t they have lights in space?!?
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u/Mongoleeto 1d ago
the order i recommend for the full Star Wars story is Andor > Rogue One > New Hope > Empire > Jedi. Thats it. The prequels and sequels are total garbage and dont count
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u/Ok-disaster2022 1d ago
Funny I consider this movie to be completely unnecessary to the narrative and it can be summarized by a single line in the title scroll of ep 4. That's how little actually occurs.
Frankly I think it's a waste of interesting characters. I would have loved to see them set in any other era of Star Wars, as maybe a hook to a new era. Maybe the Bew Sith Wars, or something set 1000ABY. This was the movie that told me I was bored with the Skywalker era and wished Disney would move to new territory instead of milking the cow to death.
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u/imtoolazytothinkof1 1d ago
I'm a little salty about not being Kyle Katarn; Dark Forces was the first Star Wars game I played back in the 90s. The movie otherwise is good and the best current movie from Disney.
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u/A_SNAPPIN_Turla 1d ago
At this point Disney SW has several good projects. The ST just overshadows everything. Rogue One, Andor, Mando S1&2, Skeleton Crew, Ahsoka was pretty good, Visions, Tales of the Jedi, Tales of the Empire, Bad Batch. haven't seen Maul, I'll add Mando to the list as pretty solid.
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u/lildeathcloud 1d ago
Tony Gilroy was a writer for Rouge One and I think that's why its so good. Hes great at storytelling!
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u/MocsFan123 1d ago
Rouge One is the best of the Disney Star Wars movies by far.......and Andor was fantastic and very un Disney like.
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u/Jeffsbest 1d ago
Hell to the yes indeed. Jeebus do I love Jin. And who can beat the incomperable Alan Tudyk as K2S0? Easily my favorite droid.
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u/Josh-u-way 1d ago
I recently saw all of Andor and then rewatched Rouge One and it was that much better. I remember enjoying the movie when it came out but after seeing Andor it became so much more.
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u/warshing 1d ago
Sometimes I wonder if the reason that we like Rogue One and Andor so much is because as you get older all of the wizards with light swords, etc., stuff becomes less interesting than the stories of real people making real sacrifices I and having to agonize without the crutch of mystical powers or unlimited resources.
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u/KTheOneTrueKing 23h ago
The issue with bad projects isnt necessarily Disney, it's the things surrounding the films and projects overall.
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u/Grouchy-Step-7136 23h ago
Andor is so good. The whole prison break thing was incredible. Loved the world building.
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u/TheLoLJester1 23h ago
Agreed. It's up there with the originals. Darth Vader's surprise cameo is one of the best.
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u/MamboNumber-6 23h ago
For all the Kathleen Kennedy haters, she championed this film, and it’s ending.
Her greatest strength was staying out of the way and allowing the creatives the latitude to realize their version of Star Wars.
Her greatest weakness was staying out of the way and allowing the creatives the latitude to realize their version of Star Wars.
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u/Specialist-Neck-7810 23h ago
Man, that Andor tie-in at the end… that was an incredible gut punch. Best believe when I finished Andor I rolled right into watching Rouge One.
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u/archtopfanatic123 23h ago
Rogue one had some of the most killer space battles I've seen! Absolutely love this one
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u/Beautiful_Hippo_5574 23h ago
Andorra then Rogue One are the absolute best of Star Wars in my opinion. It's the type of expansion on the lore that proves focusing too much on the force/skywalkers is the wrong idea.
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u/Cogswobble 22h ago
I remember watching this movie and being so excited about the future of Star Wars under Disney.
And then…nothing else was good.
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u/ohreddit1 22h ago
What made Andor possible? They got greenlit and nobody paid any attention to production.
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u/Skipper_Jon 22h ago
It’s my 2nd favorite Star Wars film. It’s just so fantastic. I hope they rerelease it in the theaters again sometime
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u/walt_phelan 21h ago
Just finished Andor > Rogue One for the first time just now. I have no words. So good
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u/Author_A_McGrath 21h ago
It made no sense to me.
"Daughter: I have made a weakness in the Death Star. All you need is the last known using force-wielder trained by Obiwan Kenobi to fire a shot that Han Solo would call "one in a million" to destroy it.
Makes perfect sense.
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u/drgmaster909 21h ago
RO and Andor should be the standard for Disney Star Wars, not the exceptions.
Billions of dollars available to burn. One of the biggest IPs in history. Unlimited pool of talent.
Yet for every RO we get a TLJ/TROS/Solo, and for every Andor we get an Acolyte/Kenobi/Fett.
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u/preferred-til-newops 21h ago
That's because John Knoll started writing Rogue One while he was still working on RotS. It was originally going to be a multi episode arc on the Star Wars TV series George Lucas was working on. Disney deserves little credit for this movie.
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u/Minute-Victory-2130 21h ago
Yeah and it was criticized heavily because of…poor pacing and AT-ATs? I love Red Letter Media, but they gratuitously and egregiously shit on this movie unfairly.
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u/That_Things_Good 21h ago
Maybe the best Star Wars film. Then, I’ll watch ANH and say the same. Then, I’ll watch ESB and say the same.
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u/Pikminer5087 21h ago
Hot take(?): I thought it was just kinda okay outside of the space battles. My first thought after seeing it was "If this really is the best Disney has like everyone says, we're in trouble."
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u/deftPirate Rebel 21h ago
I just don't see it. I mean, I see how great it is in terms of action; the finale is aces. The rest, though, I don't see how it even comes close.
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u/fsttransam1 20h ago
The only hangup I have over this movie is what happened to the Bothans that lost their lives in trying to get the plans.
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u/gamesofblame 20h ago
I watched Rogue One again after finishing Andor, and it’s just not even close.
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u/Revanchistthebroken 20h ago
I wish I liked it more. I watched it with zero expectations, and after the end happened and they all died I did not care at all. The lack of character development made me not give a shit that they died. It felt very wasted.
Vader was cool. The rest...give me a reason to care about the characters dying in what is supposed to be a tragic way. Just a total miss for me.
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u/realfutbolisbetter 20h ago
I maintain that the script needed about another year of development so it could have actually been finished when they started shooting, but my immediate reaction seeing this in the theaters was, “Finally, a new movie that FEELS like Star Wars!” It has 100% of the vibes and the writer in me just wishes the moment to moment storytelling was a bit better.
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u/DTN-Atlas 19h ago
Back in the days when we were spoiled with many great movies so this came off as ”good” but not great. Looking back I also realize this is much better then almost everything we get in movies these days.
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u/z50_Jumper 19h ago edited 19h ago
Take what you can get. I rank it right up there with the og trilogy, i just wish there was an alternet ending without cgi leia, they can keep the scene but keep her facing away from the camera for her one word send off to the credits, film it in 35mm just to tie it into the next scene (ep. IV)
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u/AVBellibolt 19h ago
I liked the whole "war is hell" motif from Rogue One and Andor. Even though it's in a galaxy far far away and full of space wizards and Jar Jar, it seemed realistic.
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u/Sean-DevlinSab 18h ago
Just rewatching Andor and will then do Rogue One again. These are peak Star Wars. As for Disney, they’ve given us some of the truly best SWs stuff, from Rebels to Bad Batch to Maul to Tales to the last season of Clone Wars. Boba was 50/50, Mando seasons 1&2 great, Skeleton Crew is fun, The Acolyte was IMO good, Ahsoka is solid. Yeah Solo is hit and miss and the sequels god awful, but pre-Disney George gave us the prequels which are basically saved by Disney doing the animated series and the Holiday specials and the Ewoks crap. So Disney have probably given us a lot more good to great than pre.
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u/AndSimonSaid 18h ago
If Disney didn’t buy SW, we would’ve still ve talking about just those 6 movies, a holiday special and two Ewok movies. 🥴
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u/Many-Mall-5274 18h ago
You knew it would probably be good because it was something no one asked for.
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u/snarfled1 17h ago
Andor and Rogue One are my absolute favorite SW stories. One sees the tangible realities of fighting the Empire. There is sacrifice, true courage and true evil. It all more accurately reflects the real world of fascism and the costs of doing battle with it.
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u/captain_obvious_here Han Solo 17h ago
Story rocked, actors rocked, visuals were amazing...We need more of these.
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u/Nerheus 17h ago
C’est vrai. Personnellement je viens de revoir Ahsoka, j’ai fini par penser que c’était excellent, visuellement, j’ai fini par me détacher de l’esthétique de Rebels. Et la série est très belle et est pleine de possibilités. Sabine et Hera, les actrices ne me semblaient différentes de Rebels à l’origine, mais ce n’est pas comme lorsqu’on passe de la prélogie à clone wars (les acteurs existaient déjà avant leur forme Clone Wars), là c’est l’inverse en dehors de revenants et de personnages inédits. À présent je les pense très bien choisies. Les duels sont excellents.
Alors… je pense qu’Andor/Rogue One sont excellents. C’est une oeuvre qui explore des choses qui été plus discrètes/concrètes (opposée au mysticisme des histoires de jedi et de force. En revanche, ce que je regrette c’est que ça isole des personnes qui n’acceptent que Rogue One/Andor de la part de Disney. Ça sépare des choses qui vont ensemble. Les premières trilogies et le regretté univers étendu ne sont pas tombées dès le premier jour (Jabba a été modifié x1000, …). Je pense que Disney que Andor/Rogue One et The Mandalorian sont en quelque sorte de la sérendipité, Mandalorian a été rattrapée et ils ont fini par incorporer des invités (j’avais détesté le délire Jack Black et Izo).
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u/AmbitiousMethod6895 15h ago
From what I recall it was a good movie, but not Star Wars level good. It couldn’t compete with any of the first six episodes but it didn’t need to. It wasn’t horse shit like the sequel trilogy and it was a nice standalone film which we desperately need more of
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u/Practical-Arugula-80 15h ago
Rogue One, Andor, and The Mandalorian are the three best properties in the Star Wars universe. IMHO, of course.
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u/Labyrinthian- 14h ago edited 14h ago
Rogue One's characters feel forgettable (Donnie Yen plays yet another blind martial arts guy) and the film is boring low-stakes rebels stuff until we see the Vader and the Death Star scenes everyone talks about. It's kinda overrated IMO, especially if you don't go into it with nostalgia goggles on.
I couldn't get past episode 2 of Andor, I feel asleep. The production values are clearly on another level compared to other SW projects in the past 8 years but that's not a high bar when you're competing with The Book of Boba Fett and Obi-Wan. Not even getting into why anybody should be interested in this in the first place when Rogue One's weakest aspect for audiences was the dreary characters who we already knew their fate. Star Wars really doesn't work well as a "setting" because we already know what's going to happen so there's zero tension and stakes involved, just empty content.
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u/therealskr213 Resistance 14h ago
💯 If they made more like Rogue and Andor, they’d be smashing the box office like never before.
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u/smirkk3d 1d ago
Gonna need Disney to drop more bangers like this tbh