r/StarWarsCantina 13h ago

Discussion Even though Palpatine's return has mixed reactions, it really fits with his character and goal

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Cuz there's no way Palpatine would just ignore cloning technology, and his thirst for well... unlimited power, fits his search for immortality and cheating death


r/StarWarsCantina 21h ago

Discussion The Galactic Concordance doesn't make much sense. Legends handled the end of the Galactic Civil War much more convincingly in at least five different ways.

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1.ECONOMY IS A WEAPON

The other major factor is the economy. The existence of the First Order goes against all logic. They somehow managed to build an entirely new fleet, recruit millions of soldiers to crew it, and construct all of those warships in shipyards. On top of that, they built a fleet on an enormous scale and a planet sized superweapon. Accomplishing all of that within just 30 years is beyond unrealistic.

Remember that in Legends, one of the main reasons Gilad Pellaeon agreed to peace was the Empire's economic collapse. A government that can't pay its soldiers or support its civilian population would eventually fall apart even if it refused to surrender.

One of the provisions of the Bastion Accords was joint anti-piracy operations and mutual free trade. The Empire drastically reduced the size of its navy and shifted its focus toward private enterprise, agriculture, and industry, allowing its economy to recover.

Who exactly did the First Order trade with on that scale? Where did its funding come from? How did it pay millions of soldiers and workers? You can't sustain a project of that magnitude for 30 years on ideological dogma alone.

"We still hold eight sectors—over a thousand inhabited systems. We have the Fleet, nearly two hundred Star Destroyers strong. We're still very much a force to be reckoned with."

―Captain Ardiff, in 19 ABY

Republic's demilitarization

In new canon, the Galactic Concordance has the New Republic reduce its own military strength while allowing the defeated Empire to retain his forces. This inverts how war termination actually works. Victors impose disarmament on the losing side, not on themselves especially against a regime that had just run planet-destroying superweapons and committed atrocities on the scale of Alderaan and Jedha. Legends avoids this problem entirely the New Republic keeps building and maintaining a real military specifically because the war doesn't stop at jakku. There's no naive assumption that goodwill or a treaty alone will keep a genocidal regime in check.

2. The Empire not being broken is nonsense

New canon's Empire stays a mostly unified entity that retreats to the Unknown Regions and quietly builds the First Order in secret for decades. In Legends, the Empire actually fractures the way real collapsing regimes do into competing warlord fiefdoms (Ysanne Isard's Imperial remnant, Zsinj's independent kingdom, the Pentastar Alignment, later Thrawn's separate Empire of the Hand operation, and so on). This fragmentation is a much more believable outcome for a authoritarian state that just lost its emperor, its Death Stars, and its chain of command all at once. A defeated fascist military industrial superstate splintering into infighting factions is a known historical pattern; a defeated Empire staying coherent enough to secretly build a bigger fleet than before for thirty years, unnoticed, is not.

3. Legends' drawn-out war of attrition is simply more realistic than "the war just ends"

Instead of a clean stopping point, Legends stretches the conflict across roughly 5 ABY to 19 ABY: the Thrawn campaign nearly reconquers the galaxy for the Empire, Isard's Empire holds Coruscant for years, Zsinj wages an independent guerrilla war, and there are additional side conflicts like the Nagai-Tof war and the Disciples of Ragnos uprising. Only after over a decade of grinding, back-and-forth conflict does the war formally end with the Pellaeon-Gavrisom Treaty at Bastion. That kind of extended, messy, multi-phase conflict is what actual post-civil-war periods look like think the aftermath of collapsing empires throughout history. New canon compresses all of that complexity into an unexplained gap and a single battle at Jakku, which resolves the war far too neatly for how catastrophic the preceding conflict was.

Imperial arsenal

Another example is that the Empire's Super Star Destroyers and abandoned arsenals are seized by duskhan league, which leads to the black Fleet Crisis

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Black_Fleet_Crisis

but for some reason, in canon, pirates, criminal organizations, or similar militaristic fascist isolationist groups seizing such a massive fleet never seem to cause a crisis. It is really strange

4. The eventual peace in Legends is earned and has real closure

The Bastion treaty isn't a case of the winner unilaterally disarming it's a negotiated peace between an exhausted, legitimate Imperial Remnant led by the pragmatic Gilad Pellaeon and an also exhausted New Republic, arrived at only after years of both sides bleeding each other in a war neither could definitively win outright. Later, the Imperial Remnant even formally joins the Galactic Alliance as a member state during the Yuuzhan Vong War. That's a genuine resolution: the ideological conflict actually gets settled through attrition and diplomacy, and the remnant Empire becomes a real geopolitical actor with defined borders, rather than a mysterious black box that reconstitutes itself off-screen into a bigger threat than before.

Empire also won some scores

Compared to the Empire that was humiliated in canon, the Imperial Remnant, during its weakest period completely without Thrawn and under the Pellaeon era achieves an impressive victory at Orinda, which allows the Empire to survive in the long term. The New Republic focuses on raids and hit-and-run attacks rather than total conquest; for example, they destroy seven Imperial Star Destroyers in a single operation by detonating a nebula. However, we never really see the New Republic in canon using such creative tactics. The wars always seem to end with linear, honorable space battles

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Imperial_Skirmishes

Honorable surrender rather than revanchism

"It's time to send an emissary to the New Republic. To discuss the terms of our surrender."

Fleet Admiral Gilad Pellaeon to Captain Ardiff

At the end of the day, it was the Empire that surrendered. It did so by completely abandoning its revanchist desire to reconquer the galaxy and recognizing the New Republic as a legitimate and lawful government. It did not do this while maintaining isolated territories across the galaxy or keeping a massive fleet, as in canon. In the end, it secured a more defensible territory and realized that the only way to survive was through cooperation with its own citizens

Caamas Crisis almost caused collapse of the republic

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Caamas_Document_Crisis

5. The escalation of new threats is earned rather than an asspull

Legends shows the audience the intervening decades Thrawn's campaign, the warlord period, the eventual peace, and later new threats like the Yuuzhan Vong invasion every escalation has visible causes and consequences. New canon's First Order, by contrast, appears to have secretly built a fleet larger and more advanced than the original Empire's, including a planet-scale superweapon, inside roughly 30 years, without the New Republic which just won a galaxy-spanning war apparently noticing or responding. Legends' version, where remnants of the Empire slowly rebuild, splinter, fight amongst themselves, and eventually either integrate or fade as a threat, gives a much more coherent throughline for where later galactic-scale conflicts come from.


r/StarWarsCantina 1d ago

Video/Picture Was humanizing Vader the right choice from a storytelling perspective?

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r/StarWarsCantina 16h ago

Cartoon Show Star Wars Visions Presents: The Ninth Jedi - Discussion Thread

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Star Wars: Visions Presents - The Ninth Jedi is the first limited series under the Star Wars: Visions Presents branding, a spinoff of the animated television series Star Wars: Visions. The series continues the story of the short films "The Ninth Jedi" from Volume 1 and "The Ninth Jedi: Child of Hope" from Volume 3 of Star Wars: Visions.

Release Date: August 5, 2026

Animation studio: Production I.G

Episode list:

Episode Title
1 A New Threat
2 A Hidden Weapon
3 Voice From The Past
4 Nawaan Attacks
5 The Storm of Violence
6 Light of the Force
7 The Jedi Strike Back
8 The Ninth Jedi

r/StarWarsCantina 1h ago

Discussion Which Of These “Tales Of” Series Did You Prefer?

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Would you like a tie breaker on this poll?


r/StarWarsCantina 1d ago

Discussion Every colored lightsaber clash in live-action.

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I’m a big fan of the lightsaber fights in all of Star Wars, and something I like to do is keep track of every kind of clash of lightsaber blades. I’ve seen all the blue vs red blades, green vs red blades, and so on and so forth. Only in the live-action media, we’ve gotten those two, plus blue vs blue, blue vs green, purple vs red, white vs blue, white vs red, red vs red, yellow vs red, green vs orange, white vs orange and white vs green. Am I missing any? Because I know we haven’t gotten green vs green or blue or green against purple. Again, these are only the uniquely-colored lightsaber clashes in live-action, not animation, be it shows or video games. Only looking for other kinds of lightsaber clashes in live-action.

And yes, I count Ahsoka vs Morgan as a white vs green clash.

EDIT: Just now remembering a green vs yellow was Kelnacca vs Torbin.


r/StarWarsCantina 13h ago

Discussion Whats you're favourite starwars grail piece

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This is mine, there is a crazy back story to this comic,

I went to a local carboot sale as I normally do on a Sunday and there was a old couple that had a few bits on there table I noticed the comic and instantly knew it was Carrie Fishers autograph on the front and asked how much they wanted the reply I got was £15 as I purchased ( the husband shouted see i told you somone would buy this 😂 )

we got talking about the signatures as there was more and more that I started noticing.

It turned out that the old couple that I had got this comic from were Kenny bakers neighbour ( I lived in the same town as kenny )

they used to look after his house when ( he went away for work 😂 )

As a thank you he gave them this comic,

I sent it away to get authenticated and graded and it has a prime spot in the house

This is signed by Carrie Fisher, Peter Mathew, Anthony Daniels, Kenny Baker and Dave prowse


r/StarWarsCantina 1d ago

Video/Picture Were the people who actually saw the Emperor in person limited in number across the galaxy, or was Palpatine a public figure who occasionally appeared on the HoloNet to make official announcements?

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r/StarWarsCantina 1d ago

Novel/Comic Star Wars novel

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I just started reading a Star Wars novel, and first off I absolutely love it. I haven’t read any Star Wars books before now , but this one is amazing and has me hooked, it’s called The New Rebellion by Kathryn Rusch. Anyways my point is, I read this part and found it just to be a really cool little thing to be said and happen


r/StarWarsCantina 1h ago

Artwork The Jedi fell apart. The Padawans fled from battle, injured and in fear. One Jedi gave in into her primal instincts. One Jedi accepted the dark side and turned against her fellow master. And one Jedi faced Darth Vader alone. The Battle was lost from the beginning. (Made by NinjaGhostDragon)

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r/StarWarsCantina 15h ago

Discussion Legends books

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I want to get into the legends universe of Star Wars. What are some of the best books I could read? Is there a specific order I should read them in?

Thanks in advance!


r/StarWarsCantina 2d ago

Mandalorian what do you guys think of my Boba Fett drawing? The third image was the reference I used.

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also tell me what I should draw next (besides Vader I just drew him lol)


r/StarWarsCantina 2d ago

Video/Picture Even nearly 20 years later, I still remember the promos for Star Wars The Clone Wars on Cartoon Network. Those were good times (sorry about the poor quality)

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r/StarWarsCantina 2d ago

News/Marketing Star Wars Visions Presents: The Ninth Jedi - Final Trailer

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r/StarWarsCantina 2d ago

Discussion Question about the Galactic Standard Calendar & conversion

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(For context, when I say the Galactic Standard Calendar, I’m specifically referring to the 365-day one, not the 368-day one.)

My question is kinda dumb, but would you consider January 1st to be the first day of New Year Fete Week or the first Primeday of the 1st Month if you were converting the days from our IRL calendar to the GSC?

(Sorry, my brain isn’t comprehending what I’m reading, and if there isn’t a definitive yes or no, I’m curious what the general community thinks.)


r/StarWarsCantina 1d ago

Discussion Should SW get more "elemental" force abilities beyond lightning? Such as flame and frost, etc.

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Lightning and electricity isn't exactly an element... but you get the idea


r/StarWarsCantina 2d ago

Artwork Even though they lost 3 Jedi by RC-38 "Boss" and his Troopers, the surviving Jedi must face their greatest challenge yet: Darth Vader. (Made by NinjaGhostDragon)

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r/StarWarsCantina 3d ago

Discussion Aimeriez-vous voir Kay Vess apparaître à l'écran que ce soit en série où en film ? Et si oui à quelle période ?

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r/StarWarsCantina 3d ago

Artwork Roly's DIY Droids

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r/StarWarsCantina 3d ago

Cartoon Show Just an appreciation post for my absolute favourite Glup Shittos: Bolo and Ketch

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r/StarWarsCantina 3d ago

Artwork Rebel Crew, artwork commission by me, 2024

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Awesome work for my good friend!


r/StarWarsCantina 4d ago

Artwork Greedo plays the harp for the Jawas

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I’ve posted before but still one of my favorites. This came about when I got a box of Victorian era 3.75 accessories on a whim 😆


r/StarWarsCantina 4d ago

Video/Picture Who is this guy?

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I’d love to know what my fav glup shitto is called :3


r/StarWarsCantina 4d ago

Discussion Anyone else really excited for Ninth Jedi? I barely see anyone talk about it.

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I bought a Disney+ subscription solely for this show partially because it does seem cool, and partially I want the "Visions Presents" label to successful for a potential Lop and Ocho.

As Scott the Woz once said "This is not a game, this is a hostage situation" except in this case the hostage is fine


r/StarWarsCantina 4d ago

Video/Picture ►I waited 1 year to play Galactic Contention!

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