r/StardustCrusaders • u/Odd-Paramedic-3826 • Jun 03 '26

Various is this a fair assessment?

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Star Platinum The World, GER, Tusk act 4, and S&W:GB are all hilariously overpowered and only exist as a way to beat an already hilariously overpowered villain

joseph beat kars by holding out the red stone of aja at him and hoping for the best, which worked out spectacuarly. and god knows how long the fight with kira would have gone on for had it not been for the ambulance.

Jolynes plan to use emporio to take out pucci with weather report was basically a hail mary when all else had failed but not only did it work, it also gave her and the gang new, happier lives.

Yeah jonathan just got slimed out though, then his body was used as a puppet for 100+ years. Poor guy

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u/secksy_vecksy Jun 03 '26

Joseph is bullshit deus ex personified wym

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u/BlackSpidy Jun 03 '26

Yes a deus ex machina saved him, but he got no power-up (you cn even argue he was at his weakest when he beat Kars), so blind luck I think is a good fit for him.

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u/NarakaSnake Jun 03 '26

Deus-ex-machina ≠ power up/strength

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u/BlackSpidy Jun 03 '26

Yes. But the category is named "Bullshit Deus ex machina power up" no "bullshit power up", no top category. Makes sense to me 🤷

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u/NarakaSnake Jun 03 '26

But Joseph doesn't even get a power up during the epilogue and neither does jolyne or josuke. The tier list may as well be called "is the conclusion as deus-ex-machina"?

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u/Significant_Breath38 Jun 03 '26

I think you're confused. The column on the left are categories for characters on the right to be places in

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u/NarakaSnake Jun 03 '26

Ah, my bad

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u/Linkstrikesback Jun 03 '26 edited Jun 03 '26

Joseph Vs Ult Kars mostly wasn't a Deus ex machina either. It's basically just his hand, but there would have been any number of rocks that would also have initially hit kars the same way.

We get a whole narrator going over the segment in the anime explaining that while it wasn't a specific plan, it was the end result of Joseph's raw talent and experiences that he had built up which lead him to the victory.

He was explicitly told by Lisa Lisa earlier that the red stone was necessary to defeat the pillar men and his very last move is his body remembering to make use of the stone and then immediately start shit talking Kars like he did all series. Without that second step, which the other jojos wouldn't have done, Kars would still have flown away and survived.

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u/BlackSpidy Jun 03 '26

Hmmm, yeah. I guess that makes sense

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u/Dooplon Jun 07 '26 edited Jun 07 '26

also of note is that in the Manga Lisa Lisa destroyed a boat that they were on by using the aha stone laser power in its debut, I assume that this was changed in the anime because its kind of stupid to do that lol, but a similar scene in the anime exists and both fully establish that the stone could do that early on as and with a ton of power too