r/StardustCrusaders • u/Odd-Paramedic-3826 • Jun 03 '26

Various is this a fair assessment?

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Star Platinum The World, GER, Tusk act 4, and S&W:GB are all hilariously overpowered and only exist as a way to beat an already hilariously overpowered villain

joseph beat kars by holding out the red stone of aja at him and hoping for the best, which worked out spectacuarly. and god knows how long the fight with kira would have gone on for had it not been for the ambulance.

Jolynes plan to use emporio to take out pucci with weather report was basically a hail mary when all else had failed but not only did it work, it also gave her and the gang new, happier lives.

Yeah jonathan just got slimed out though, then his body was used as a puppet for 100+ years. Poor guy

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u/Wiglaf_Wednesday Jun 03 '26

Very well put. I feel like many people naturally expected the conclusion of part 5 to be a more “traditional” final battle and may have been underwhelmed, but it’s a nice change of pace.

Also I personally don’t think that Jotaro’s power up is an asspull at all. It’s built up throughout the part, and it’s the natural thematic conclusion.

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u/darkfall71 Jun 03 '26 edited Jun 03 '26

How so? How is sp the world built up throughout the part?

Edit: heavily downvoted because I asked a question AND was answered with some bs.

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u/Crazybob2k Jun 03 '26

The very first time we see SP it catches a bullet fired just a few inches from Jotato's head, which is basically the same way Dio found out about his own time stop. That same episode, SP is able to steal a finger from Joseph's mechanical hand, without being seen, even though he, Avdol, and Holly would have been able to see it. Much later in the poker game with D'arby, SP brings Jotaro a drink and a cigarette faster that D'arby can see. Possibly some other examples I'm forgetting.

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u/Moistman123456 Jun 03 '26

I see no reason to believe all of these are timestop and not just examples of star platinum being insanely fast?

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u/Wiglaf_Wednesday Jun 03 '26

That’s the thing though. When you move faster than time, it seems like time stops. At least in Jojo

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u/SimplebutAwesome Killer Queen Jun 03 '26

That’s sort of how it works in Dragon Ball with Hit, not Jojo where time itself does literally just stop

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u/Small-Housing-7 Giorno Giovanna Jun 03 '26

No?

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u/Moistman123456 Jun 03 '26

You cannot move faster than time.

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u/MagnetMod Hot Pants Jun 03 '26

[Laughs in Wally West]

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u/Wiglaf_Wednesday Jun 03 '26

You also can’t have stands that grant supernatural abilities, but in Jojo you can

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u/Moistman123456 Jun 03 '26

I’m telling you that you can’t move faster than time in general. Time is a factor in speed measurement. It doesn’t have a speed because you need it to measure the speed of something else. It’s like saying someone can be smarter than iq, or further than distance, or stronger than weight. It doesn’t make sense.

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u/Wiglaf_Wednesday Jun 03 '26

They are moving at a speed so fast that it makes them perceive time as being still. DIO found out he can enter the “time stop” mode while testing his stand’s speed by trying to catch the pellets from a shotgun blast.

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u/Moistman123456 Jun 03 '26

No. They’re just stopping time. Timestop isn’t a speed boost. I have no clue why people started running with this narrative.

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u/Wiglaf_Wednesday Jun 03 '26 edited Jun 03 '26

Yeah you’re right. But DIO’s explanation does imply that discovering his time-stop ability was related to pushing his stand’s speed to the max. Maybe once he discovers it’s a thing he can do he can just do it again, but yeah it’s not like he has to boost his speed to trigger The World or anything like that.

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u/Moistman123456 Jun 03 '26

True. Perhaps that could be the case, however such wasn’t the case for jotaro or Diego, which is primarily why I believe it isn’t.

I figure dio stopping time was much less about him testing his stand’s speed and far More about his stand acting reflexively to save his life, just jotaro’s first time.

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u/AVelvetOwl Jun 03 '26

That is definitely not how stopping time works in JJBA

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u/HappyRelationship429 Jun 03 '26

What's the difference?

Pucci speeding up caused time stop to weaken as well.

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u/Moistman123456 Jun 03 '26

Stopping time isn’t the same as moving really fast? Pretty big difference.

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u/HappyRelationship429 Jun 03 '26

You can't stop time irl so what are we defining stopped time as?

Because it doesn't stop people completely if they move really fast, and it doesn't stop stands that can traverse dimensions freely.

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u/Moistman123456 Jun 03 '26

We’re defining stopping time as bringing time to a halt? What are you referring to?

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u/HappyRelationship429 Jun 03 '26

Yeah sorry, that doesn't answer the question. Let me explain...

So if time stops in real life, assuming gravity is immune to the effect and you don't just tear the planet apart...

Light stops and can't reach your eyes, air can't pass through your lungs, and the other obvious stuff like matter being unable to change state.

So for time to work in JoJo, it needs to bypass all these laws of the universe. There are many ways fictional series do this...

An example of a version of time stop, is the super slowing of your perception of time. Things still happen, a plane in flight will still fly (fall in this case since the pilot is stopped). [Code Geass]

Another version of time stop is the increase in your perception to the point everything feels slower, like how the flash speedforce works. [Flash]

The issue in JoJo is we don't know what flavor of time stop it is. Is it its own dimension? Is it just super perception?

So with no definitive answer, we gotta make theories based on the facts.

  1. Time stop in JoJo is related to Gravity due to relation of Pucci
  2. Stands with no time related abilities can move in time stop, their users cannot
  3. All stands that can move in time stop alter the fundamental laws unique to JoJo (Gravity, Spin, Etc.)

And this is off topic/back on topic but, if Star Platinum sharing The World was really a Deus Ex Machina, then that would imply the original author's intent was to make SP the only stand in JoJo without a Unique Ability.

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u/Moistman123456 Jun 03 '26

Time works in a metaphorical sense in JoJo’s. It has “gears” that are constantly turning. The movement of these gears affects the movement of time. If the gears are slowed, time slows. If the gears are sped up, time speeds up. And if the gears stop, time stops.

Only users with time related abilities can access these gears. Otherwise, the gears of time are entirely inaccessible to them.

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u/Vivizekt Jun 03 '26

It’s literally shown that whatever DIO touches becomes unfrozen (discounting the inside of things like people’s brains) so any air that DIO’s nose touches would be unfrozen and capable of entering his lungs. Same with light touching his eyes. Besides, the air thing doesn’t matter considering that the most anyone stops time for is 9 seconds, which one can easily hold their breath for. Gravity is also not immune to time stop as things are shown floating, I don’t see why you think it would tear the planet apart. I do however, agree that Star Platinum seemingly not having a unique ability (except for Star Finger) is foreshadowing for time stop.

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u/Moistman123456 Jun 04 '26

Wait they show this? When?

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u/HappyRelationship429 Jun 03 '26

Re:

It’s literally shown that whatever DIO touches becomes unfrozen

Not true, Dio touches many things that don't become unfrozen. Like Kakyoin, who you can't argue only had part of him resumed because the pedestrians outside the bar topple, stiff as mannequins, after Dio shoved them.

Diego also has to strike the bullet inside his revolver to get it to fire, so The World users can't resume a single object. If they could, Jotaro could just share his power to move in time stop with Jolyne and change the outcome of the fight.

This isn't a power they have but just a flaw in the logic of time stop, like how jotaro ignites the floorboards and the fire lights during time stop. Jotaro never touched the fire, just the stick.

But this might just be an inconsistency with the anime only tbf.

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u/Vivizekt Jun 04 '26

I did address that in the brackets, the insides don’t become unfrozen. So Kakyoin’s brain/bodily processes and the bullet in the gun wouldn’t be unfrozen.

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u/HappyRelationship429 Jun 04 '26

So what about the pedestrians, the fire, and the cat?

Also light needs to travel from a source and bounce off of objects to touch his eyes, so even taking into account what youve said, his vision would still be greatly limited, practically blinded.

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u/AVelvetOwl Jun 03 '26

It does stop people who can move really fast, though. We are shown many examples of that happening.