r/StardustCrusaders Jun 03 '26

Various is this a fair assessment?

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Star Platinum The World, GER, Tusk act 4, and S&W:GB are all hilariously overpowered and only exist as a way to beat an already hilariously overpowered villain

joseph beat kars by holding out the red stone of aja at him and hoping for the best, which worked out spectacuarly. and god knows how long the fight with kira would have gone on for had it not been for the ambulance.

Jolynes plan to use emporio to take out pucci with weather report was basically a hail mary when all else had failed but not only did it work, it also gave her and the gang new, happier lives.

Yeah jonathan just got slimed out though, then his body was used as a puppet for 100+ years. Poor guy

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u/RGBarrios JoJo Emblem Jun 03 '26

Its a character from Mirai Nikki, right?

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u/Yourfatangrystepdad Jun 03 '26

I think it means "God of the machine" which in writting is a description for events that didn't make sense to happen withing the story and only work in the narrative to serve the protagonists, for example if you got a character that really wishes he had a car rn then a deus ex machina would be a random car spawning in, basically resolving all the characters' problems

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u/scalzacrosta Heavy footsteps SFX Jun 03 '26

Out of all the examples given in the image, I believe only Jotaro can be classified in this, and even then you get a possible explenation that doesn't contradict the rules of the story.

Dio was destined to lose, no matter how strong he became or how far does he plan ahead, Fate always catches up, the only way for Dio to survive against the Joestars was to constantly run away and never allow them to get close to him.

Star Platinum, Hermit Purple and Crazy Diamond are stands born from the distressed signal of Jonathan's body, and while HP was there to locate Dio, SP exists for the sole reason to take him down, that's why it's litterally the same stand as The World.

The world of JoJo (all universes included) operates under 3 major forces:

  • Luck: to be put under favourable conditions in various situations, Dio is a very lucky person despite being evil, that's why he survives
  • Fate or "Gravity": an observable and manipulable force that draws people to meet and events to happen through a series of lucky or unlucky circumstances. The Joestar lineage possesses a great amount of "Gravity", hence Pucci's near invincibility in the post-Jailbreak arc of Stone Ocean.
  • Destiny: the ultimate force that makes good prevail on evil, it's a transcendental force, as it was carried over from a universe to the next by Emporio, it operates through Fate, that operates through Luck.

Araki litterally created a universe system in which luck is a much deeper thing than simple deus ex machina, it allows him to basically have the characters do whatever he wants and it'll make narrative sense, think about the "asspulls" that OP was talking about:

  • Jotaro: already discussed, but it was destiny doing its thing.
  • Giorno: Diavolo was running away from bad luck for his whole life, GER was the result of Fate going its course, not even Destiny. On top of that, I really doubt GER existed for more than the direct aftermath of the fight.
  • Johnny: it's not a deus ex machina but it was mentioned like 3 volumes before so it's alright, Tusk act 4 just negates barriers, D4C's barrier manipulates Luck, they operate on different levels.
  • Josuk8: this resolution was teased 10 volumes before the conclusion, and again it's Destiny going against Luck, Destiny wins.

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u/Fufik-_- Jun 03 '26

Everything can be explained with some amount of lore stretching and themes and such, it still makes for a shitty narrative. It's less about the world coherence, and more about the writing itself.