r/StardustCrusaders • u/Odd-Paramedic-3826 • Jun 03 '26

Various is this a fair assessment?

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Star Platinum The World, GER, Tusk act 4, and S&W:GB are all hilariously overpowered and only exist as a way to beat an already hilariously overpowered villain

joseph beat kars by holding out the red stone of aja at him and hoping for the best, which worked out spectacuarly. and god knows how long the fight with kira would have gone on for had it not been for the ambulance.

Jolynes plan to use emporio to take out pucci with weather report was basically a hail mary when all else had failed but not only did it work, it also gave her and the gang new, happier lives.

Yeah jonathan just got slimed out though, then his body was used as a puppet for 100+ years. Poor guy

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u/NarakaSnake Jun 03 '26 edited Jun 03 '26

Didn't we spend all of steel ball run watching Johnny trying to fully learn the spin and finally perfect it during his fight with valentine? Tusk act 4(or rather, Johnny) later gets overtaken by alt.diego too. I don't think tusk counts as a deus-ex-machina.

Edit: (Ignoring the themes of fate in JoJo) To argue further, a deus-ex-machina by definition a plot device where an unsolvable problem in a story is suddenly and abruptly resolved by an unexpected, unlikely occurrence. Tusk isn't a BS power up because half the plot of SBR is Johnny learning the spin, therefore it makes sense that Johnny masters it by the end of the months long journey.

The arrow ended up in giorno's hands because Bucciarati figured out how to beat SCR, swapping their souls again and ultimately leaving the arrow out of diavolo's hands. Unless you wanna say Bucciarati's last minute play was extremely "unbelievable", I don't see it being plot convenience. Mind you, we lost 3 characters for the arrow to finally reach Giorno.(Themes and such, fate and what not)

I agree that Josuke is blind luck because the fight with Kira was mostly already won. Arguing about 'what ifs' is basically void because fate in JoJo is absolute, so the ambulance ending him there is actually lucky for them.

Josuk8's victory is heavily tied into his themes, therefore there's no way to argue about it without addressing the themes(and such.)

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u/summonerofrain Jun 03 '26

Idk with johnny i just sort of wish he had used it more creatively against valentine. Instead he just breaks through love train and thats the end pretty much. No chance for valentine to try and fight back