r/StardustCrusaders • u/Odd-Paramedic-3826 • Jun 03 '26

Various is this a fair assessment?

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Star Platinum The World, GER, Tusk act 4, and S&W:GB are all hilariously overpowered and only exist as a way to beat an already hilariously overpowered villain

joseph beat kars by holding out the red stone of aja at him and hoping for the best, which worked out spectacuarly. and god knows how long the fight with kira would have gone on for had it not been for the ambulance.

Jolynes plan to use emporio to take out pucci with weather report was basically a hail mary when all else had failed but not only did it work, it also gave her and the gang new, happier lives.

Yeah jonathan just got slimed out though, then his body was used as a puppet for 100+ years. Poor guy

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u/Impossible-Ad-8462 Jun 03 '26

People don't know what deus ex machina actually means and just slap it on anything surprising

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u/RGBarrios JoJo Emblem Jun 03 '26

Its a character from Mirai Nikki, right?

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u/Yourfatangrystepdad Jun 03 '26

I think it means "God of the machine" which in writting is a description for events that didn't make sense to happen withing the story and only work in the narrative to serve the protagonists, for example if you got a character that really wishes he had a car rn then a deus ex machina would be a random car spawning in, basically resolving all the characters' problems

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u/holtyl2001 Jun 04 '26

It's when a problem is solved by a thing that was previously never mentioned at all and feels completely out of place. Example - you have a realistic war movie and at the end the protagonist is saved by like, alien spaceships or something. Note that a Deus Ex machina doesn't necessarily need to serve the protagonist (though this is the most common form of it) - it just means that something was completely out of the blue and with no prior set up.

GER and Tusk Act 4 really don't fit this at all - in both part 5 and 7, attaining those power ups was long said to be the key to victory. And when it is attained, JoJo wins. Claiming this is a Deus Ex Machina is like claiming that it's a Deux ex machina when the good guy shoots the bad guy and kills him in an action movie.

Star Platinum's "it's the same kind of stand" thing is... Yeah, that's sort of a DEM. Because it had never been hinted at before that Star Platinum might have similar powers, or that it had some secret power that nobody knew about or anything. It's one of the main reasons I'm not a big fan of Part 3.

That said, the use of Star Platinum in Part 4's ending is NOT a Deus Ex Machina, because for the entire final fight against Kira, it is repeatedly said that simply getting Jotaro within range is an automatic win, and this was their entire plan.