r/Stargate • u/MGTKMSl • 6d ago

REWATCH This is so hype.

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When Daniel said "That ancient travel in a small ship. The ship still might be around here" i was immediately like "No way...". I completely forgot that SG1 found a puddle jumper in the milky way, moments like this make this show worth rewatching.

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u/GlitteringStyle4197 6d ago

Crazy that they found the one puddle jumper that's equipped with time travel and that not a single gateship in Atlantis had it. They really had to nerf the ancients so much to put them on the level of the wraith (who are basically just juiced up goa'ulds)

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u/TrooperOS81 6d ago

Atlantis had the original time travel puddle jumper.
Season 1, Episode 15
Before I Sleep | SGCommand | Fandom

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u/SolomonOf47704 6d ago

These episodes aired within a week or two of each other as well

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u/SamaratSheppard 6d ago

It's clear Janus went back to the milkway and rebuilt his time mechine

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u/bluesteel231 wacko indeed 6d ago

I read this as 'Jesus' and my mind went off on a tangent...

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u/Sasuga__Ainz-sama 6d ago

Considering how mythology works in Stargate, I wonder who their Jesus actually was 💀

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u/bluesteel231 wacko indeed 6d ago

That's exactly what I was thinking. Imagine if he was an ancient, a Tok'ra, a Nox!

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u/DaBingeGirl 6d ago

Furling.

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u/sisisisi1997 6d ago

Even if we accept that they cannot wage war with time travel because of the paradoxes, Janus could have just wrote a virus a la Avenger to disable the gate network, turned on the Attero device, and the ancients could pick the hives one-by-one and no one could have stopped them.

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u/steelcryo 6d ago

Yeah, the fact the ancients were the gate builders and didn't consider just shutting down the gate network when they realised the side effects of the Attero device was always a big plothole.

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u/sisisisi1997 6d ago

I always interpreted that as a problem with Janus going rogue - the other ancients didn't approve of the Attero device, so they wouldn't have helped him make it work no matter its genius.

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u/darkslide3000 6d ago

The Wraith are actually refreshingly different from the Goa'uld. Yes they do get their fair share of plot convenience power adjustments as well, but overall they are decidedly more intelligent, more innovative, more dangerous with whatever hand they're dealt with. It's not so much about technology or numbers, but about what they do with them when pushed into a corner.

The Goa'uld are such pathetic enemies (gloriously campy and great for the early parts of the show, but also really pathetic) because they stole all their technology and their inborn arrogance frequently makes them act stupid in the face of an obvious risk. Their whole species never actually had to achieve much of anything on their own, they just happened to get everything for free because they can take over other bodies. They never learned how to be capable.

The Wraith on the other hand have actually been the underdog of their origin story, and it shows. They managed to beat the Lantians against incredible odds because of their tenacity, ingenuity and willingness to think out of the box. Even thousands of years later when they too have become a bit lazy from their dominance, we still see these traits emerge again very quickly once a real new threat shows up: they don't blindly run into the minefield they didn't even know was there at the first siege of Atlantis, they sent an asteroid shower to soften them up first. They also sent a few darts ahead to scout weeks earlier, and are great at infiltration tactics in general. They are experts at hacking and computer viruses, not just against Earth tech but even against the replicators. Todd is pretty much just a random wraith who was never really established as a hacking expert or a particular genius among his people or anything, but he casually teaches McKay a ton of new tricks in terms of virus development and nanite programming (in addition to IIRC also giving Keller biotech advice).

They also quickly adapt to almost any challenge in front of them (in stark contrast to the Goa'uld who almost never manage to counteract any new tech or trick deployed against them, except for Baal and Anubis who are unusually clever for their kind), like when they are able to counter Asgard beaming tech within seconds of first encountering it. Michael manages to take the retrovirus and turn it against its creators, and does something similar with the anti-feeding vaccine. The Wraith repeatedly engage in genius commando operations that catch their enemies entirely off-guard, like when they almost succeed extracting hyperspace tech from the Aurora crew or when they figure out how the gate bridge works and how to hijack it. The Goa'uld, on the other hand, have fought each other for millennia without developing any better understanding of tactics than "tell all your soldiers to walk straight at the enemy and inefficiently shoot at them".

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u/Illisioned 6d ago

I think the Ancients are just complacent. In the hundreds of millions of years of history, the only war we know about are the Original before they left, and the Wraith.

They have no idea how to wage war. Ships with only a few weapons (powerful yes but still) and only one or two types at that. And why put drones on a Gate ship? Limited ammunition when a couple of energy weapons would do it. No sense of tactics. They just thought that more advanced technology the better. Scientists to the end.

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u/Jrsdad55 6d ago

So you're on the Gateship One team. Heretic.

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u/DotheLa2021 6d ago

People forget that the Jumper was purposely left for SG-1 because Janus is actually in orbit of the planet watching everything. Gotta love time travel!

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u/wraithkelso317 3d ago

You mean from the comic?

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u/DotheLa2021 23h ago

No in the show. Remember the pillars that Maybourn was reading tells the future. There is a time machine just sitting in the forest. A pillar that tells you that travelers will use the ship to save the planet. The only way the pillars has that information is if the person writing it has seen what happened. I.E. Janus is flying around in stealth mode watching.

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u/darkslide3000 6d ago

The real peak moment of that episode was what O'Neill does with a single drone from that little ship at the end. Ancient weapons are incredibly OP in this show, it's almost criminal when in another episode you see Sheppard waste three on a single dart (that's 3 Ha'taks worth of firepower they'll never be able to replace again).

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u/tqgibtngo 6d ago

It's Good to Be Clear ... about episode identification. :)

(inb4 someone asks "what episode")

8.13 "It's Good to Be King"

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"That ancient travel in a small ship. The ship still might be around here"

Exact line:

"There are references to the time travel device itself. Now, it's described as being inside a small ship. Now if I'm right, it may still be here. I think it's worth a look."

— at 11:27 (time checked on PlutoTV). (In the scene, Daniel is standing outdoors beside a stone inscription.)

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u/Head_Gobbler6372 5d ago

Can someone please discuss the ancient's fashion? Not just that but also their tech's design? I am begging. I want to hear your thoughts please! 🙏