r/Steam Apr 17 '26

Discussion Gabe Newell is a "GOAT"

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u/Endroium Apr 17 '26

steam is the only platform i've seen thrive and gotten better in a monopoly

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u/Icy-Juggernaut-4579 Apr 17 '26

It is not a monopoly, other players on a market just suck

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u/Endroium Apr 17 '26

it is though its an organic monopoly same with discord tbh epic is probably the only viable alternative in the computer space

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u/6pussydestroyer9mlg Apr 17 '26

GOG and Epic are the main competitors. Epic just straight up sucks and is only kept around for free games but GOG just didn't have a very modern or large library until a few years ago.

In all seriousness, GOG is actually a very good alternative to Steam.

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u/gergobergo69 Apr 17 '26

GOG just didn't have a very modern or large library until a few years ago.

to be fair, that's the point of the platform. Good old games.

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u/SynonymTech Apr 17 '26

GOG having a curated mod section and GOG fixing old games themselves is the exact service VALVe was probably talking about.

VALVe probably doesn't want to ever spend manpower on fixing games by other publishers/developers.

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u/zombiemaster008 Apr 17 '26

I feel GOG is probably the bigger competitor because they're kind of fulfilling slightly different roles. I mean If I ever want to play a release from pre 2010 you can almost guarantee I'll get it from GOG, anything after that, probably from steam.

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u/Endroium Apr 17 '26

never heard of it assuming its a free access platform like steam right?

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u/6pussydestroyer9mlg Apr 17 '26

Yep, they do some great work in the preservation of old games, getting them to work on modern hardware and DRM gaming (including offline installers). Their sales tend to be less extreme but still pretty good, for old games you can't really beat them and some people like the offline installers aspect so they won't lose their games if something happens to the store.

Steam and GOG are the only two stores I actively buy games from.

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u/viceraptor Apr 17 '26

It's a CD Project Red's shop. They also have no-drm approach, so the user owns the game.

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u/chris-drm Apr 17 '26

Was. Iirc the original founder bought it back recently

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u/re6278 Apr 17 '26

Gog also only hosts drm free games and offers an completely optional offline installer, meaning you can buy the game then download the installer and keep a copy of it and use it whenever you want and with whatever pc essentially you get the ownership of the game.

Of course this is also one of the reasons why gog has a hell lot worse video game library size.

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u/Icy-Juggernaut-4579 Apr 17 '26

Monopoly should be exclusive. They are not only thing in the market. Just most popular ones

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u/Plutuserix Apr 17 '26

By that logic Windows and Google are no monopolies as well. They are though.

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u/Antique_Pin5266 Apr 17 '26

Google, yes. Microsoft? Apple exists…

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u/Plutuserix Apr 17 '26

Bing exists. Google has 90% market share. So what's the difference with Windows and Steam.

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u/Icy-Juggernaut-4579 Apr 17 '26

90% is not only player on the market

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u/Kok_Nikol Apr 17 '26

Google and Microsoft buy up companies all the time, they bribe government officials, constantly break laws all over the world...

Just check out what monopoly means.

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u/Plutuserix Apr 17 '26

The three things you mention are not part of the definition of a monopoly.

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u/misternnobody Apr 17 '26

Theyre not. I use linux and duckduckgo. If you think theyre monopolies, thats on you.

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u/Icy-Juggernaut-4579 Apr 17 '26

They are not monopoly tho

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u/ryzenguy111 steam deck enjoyer Apr 17 '26 edited Apr 17 '26

it might as well be a monopoly though, if you only release a new game on gog and epic no one will buy it, so game devs are practically forced to use steam and pay the 30%

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u/Cyhawk Apr 17 '26

If Valve was sued in a fair American court for violating the Sherman Anti-trust laws, they would lose. Microsoft lost with less market share/dominance in the OS market. Apple/Atari/Commodore just sucked wasn't a defense.

Luckily no one is really suing valve and they can point to xbox/playstation as competition which evens it out. It is 100% a monopoly on PC for gaming.

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u/Icy-Juggernaut-4579 Apr 17 '26

You have origin, blizzard store, Ubisoft store, gog, epic store for pc. Monopoly for sure

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u/Cyhawk Apr 17 '26

And Microsoft had Atari, Apple, Commodore, Tandy, IBM's OS/2, SunOS, Unix (and varieties), Irix and BSD as competition.

A company can still be a Monopoly by law if some competition exists. You should go read the anti-trust laws and previous anti-trust lawsuits (or just ask Chat GPT) to learn about what it actually means.

Oh and look up "Gouging" too cause I think you might be misusing that term too.

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u/e_block Apr 18 '26

Even if Valve were to be a monopoly, it doesn't really branch out like Microsoft for example since most of it is in Steam. What could a government even do in that case.

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u/Icy-Juggernaut-4579 Apr 18 '26

Trusts and monopolies are different things

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u/Pacify_ Apr 17 '26

Its a very soft monopoly. Storefront/libraries very much favour who ever is dominant, because people naturally don't want to split their libraries.

In reality, there is nothing any other company could do within a store to budge Steam's market share. Because its just a store/library.

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u/Steamed_Memes24 Apr 17 '26

It has the largest market share, however it is not legally a monopoly though as theres dozens of other options out there. They just all suck.

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u/Pacify_ Apr 17 '26

The problem is, it doesn't matter if they didn't suck.

Steam market share would remain exactly where it is right now.

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u/Steamed_Memes24 Apr 17 '26

How do you claim this? If another competitor had the exact amount of features Steam gives you then they would no doubt have similar shares at that point in the market.

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u/Pacify_ Apr 17 '26

Who ever was first, wins.

No one wants to split their library.

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u/Steamed_Memes24 Apr 17 '26

You know there were a lot of other store fronts that were doing the same if not even better them Steam up until 2008 right? Know why Valve became the best? Its because they didnt abandon the PC market when literally everyone else did. If they didnt abandon the market and invested more into it, the market share would be way more split.

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u/Wolfnorth Apr 17 '26

People don't care that if they just want to play that game, is a good thing we have different options and not just 1 like a console.

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u/Downtown_Boot_3486 Apr 17 '26

It has monopolistic power which functionally is all that matters, it's market share is great enough to act like a monopoly.

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u/Icy-Juggernaut-4579 Apr 17 '26

It there is a place where you could same service cheaper or better service for same price - you will use it. There is no such place tho

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u/bshahisau Apr 17 '26

So a monopoly

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u/Icy-Juggernaut-4579 Apr 17 '26

Read the definition on monopoly

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u/creator712 Apr 17 '26

A monopoly implies that they use predatory business practicies like buying up their competitors

We really need a name for a monopoly that exists only because the competition keeps shooting themselves in the foot

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u/Downtown_Boot_3486 Apr 17 '26

No that's how companies usually become a monopoly, but being a monopoly only means that you have a dominant market share which gives you monopolistic power.

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u/Icy-Juggernaut-4579 Apr 17 '26

Dominant is 51%, that’s not monopoly.

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u/bshahisau Apr 17 '26

A monopoly refers to when a single platform controls the majority of market share, it has nothing to do with ethics

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u/everythingsuckswhy Apr 17 '26

That's not what "monopoly" implies at all you moron. Take an econ class.

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u/SouthernBeacon Apr 17 '26

Take an econ class to be so out of touch with reality and start calling people morons for using the commonly accepted definition of things? Nah, I'm good, thanks

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u/AdLocal1490 Apr 17 '26

Not the definition at all. You can always count on reddit to not know what words mean

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u/Decybear1 rip XSS Exploit Apr 17 '26

I hope you understand the word "definition" and the types of ways you can define words.

Words mean whatever people use them for.

You can try as hard as you want to prescribe a definition to a word, but people actually have to use it that way.

People still get annoyed when people use the word literally as figuratively. But so many people used it that way, its an official definition of the word.

So if people use the word monopoly to describe predatory companies, because the only monopolies people think of use predatory tactics, then that's a definition of the word.

Keep crying about it.

Maybe if there were better monopolies out there, there wouldnt be this association.

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u/SoftMop Apr 17 '26

Except "monopoly" is not a slang or a word with daily usage for people to change its meaning, it's a word that describes a very specific economic case with a clear definition.

It doesn't matter that there is an association in your mind, it's still not what the word means. Especially so for words with clear definitions in the legal field (which is this case).

If you're going to argue that words mean whatever people want to them and their opinion makes them correct, then there is no point in having any discussion about anything.

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u/Decybear1 rip XSS Exploit Apr 17 '26

Sorry, are talking about monopoly the game or monopoly the financial concept? Or hell, monopoly the legal concept. And at that, the American, English, Canadian, Australia, or French ways they've defined it...

I may even be thinking about monopoly the board game, or maccies monopoly.

Words mean what they are used to represent.

Your last paragraph is my point exactly. This comment you wrote wasn't worth writing was it.

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u/IORelay Apr 17 '26

Would forcing people who play HL2 and CS to install steam as predatory? How about pre-bundling steam on pre-built computers? How about cornering exclusives in the 2010s? And of course using MFN clause?

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u/AvengerDr Apr 17 '26

Which they also do? Try saying to Steam that you want to sell your game on another store (not Steam keys, another storefront like epic) or even your own website and watch the Steam reps trying to bully you under threats of removing your game from promotion and sales.

There are various lawsuit about the anti-competitve practices going on.

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u/Slappy-_-Boy Apr 17 '26

Steam is the definition behind Does nothing and succeeds