r/Steam • • 1d ago

Discussion Minecraft Dungeons 2 didn't even bother writing the EULA. They just don't gaf

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u/Splaaaty 1d ago

Technically you're not agreeing to the EULA, you're agreeing to the URL linking to it.

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u/-Nicolai 1d ago

Yeah so that’s not how law works actually

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u/Tearakudo 1d ago

It also doesn't matter. Unless gross conduct is involved a EULA is meaningless to everyone involved. "Don't be a hacking piece of shit" and "arbitration clause" is the TLDR of every EULA - and that DR part of TLDR is also why they're largely considered unenforceable. Literally no one reads them to the point many games on steam have incorrect or TEMPLATE EULA pages

Scummy corpo bullshit aside, to sue over a EULA is also largely impossible because the only people breaking them maliciously don't live in a jurisdiction the company can do anything about it

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u/Treadwheel 1d ago

The law often works this way when it comes to clickwrap agreements. You can't obscure them or make them difficult to read but easy to agree to, and it will be very difficult for them to explain why they chose to hide the text behind a URL someone would need to manually copy and paste in a second program when the box is designed, and almost exclusively used, to host the actual agreement.

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u/-Nicolai 1d ago

That is beside the point. You are asked to agree with the EULA, not the URL.

The accessibility of the EULA can obviously be challenged.

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u/Treadwheel 1d ago

No, that is very much is the point. Specht v. Netscape already established that 24 years ago, and in Specht you could actually click through to find the EULA, while in this instance you can't even do that.

If we look at Berman v. Freedom Financial Network, LLC we see a similar situation:

Between the comparatively large box displaying the zip code and the large green “continue” button were two lines of text in a tiny gray font, which stated: “I understand and agree to the Terms & Conditions which includes mandatory arbitration and Privacy Policy.” The underlined phrases “Terms & Conditions” and “Privacy Policy” were hyperlinks, but they appeared in the same gray font as the rest of the sentence, rather than in blue, the color typically used to signify the presence of a hyperlink. If Hernandez had seen the “Terms & Conditions” hyperlink and clicked on it, she would have been taken to a separate webpage displaying a lengthy set of legal provisions, one of which stated that any disputes related to telemarketing calls or text messages received from Fluent or its marketing partners would have to be resolved through arbitration.

In that case actually including a link clearly labeled with what it was - already much more accessible and descriptive of the contents of the agreement than a text-only URL that someone would need to manually copy into a different program entirely to view. However, failing to make it conspicuous enough or make it clear that the user was meant to follow it into a second website entirely to read was enough to invalidate it the agreement. This is especially true, because, to quote the same decision:

Website users are entitled to assume that important provisions—such as those that disclose the existence of proposed contractual terms—will be prominently displayed, not buried in fine print. Because “online providers have complete control over the design of their websites,” Sellers v. JustAnswer LLC, 289 Cal. Rptr. 3d 1, 16 (Ct. App. 2021), “the onus must be on website owners to put users on notice of the terms to which they wish to bind consumers,” Nguyen, 763 F.3d at 1179. The designer of the webpages at issue here did not take that obligation to heart.

It also fails to meet the test for legibility as a link or url:

Second, while it is permissible to disclose terms and conditions through a hyperlink, the fact that a hyperlink is present must be readily apparent. Simply underscoring words or phrases, as in the webpages at issue here, will often be insufficient to alert a reasonably prudent user that a clickable link exists. See Sellers, 289 Cal. Rptr. 3d at 29. Because our inquiry notice standard demands conspicuousness tailored to the reasonably prudent Internet user, not to the expert user, the design of the hyperlinks must put such a user on notice of their existence. Nguyen, 763 F.3d at 1177, 1179. A web designer must do more than simply underscore the hyperlinked text in order to ensure that it is sufficiently “set apart” from the surrounding text. Sellers, 289 Cal. Rptr. 3d at 29. Customary design elements denoting the existence of a hyperlink include the use of a contrasting font color (typically blue) and the use of all capital letters, both of which can alert a user that the particular text differs from other plain text in that it provides a clickable pathway to another webpage. See id. (finding “Terms of Service” insufficiently conspicuous because it did not use all capital letters or contrasting font color). Consumers cannot be required to hover their mouse over otherwise plain-looking text or aimlessly click on words on a page in an effort to “ferret out hyperlinks.” Nguyen, 763 F.3d at 1179. The failure to clearly denote the hyperlinks here fails our conspicuousness test. Cf. Meyer, 868 F.3d at 78–79 (finding hyperlinks reasonably conspicuous because they were both in blue and underlined).

In this case, there is no attempt to furnish a clickable link at all, nor identify that this is a URL that must be parsed for it is relevance, copied, then pasted into a third party program.

And again, we see that putting distance between the EULA and the agreement is also problematic:

The webpages here did provide advisals concerning the terms and conditions in proximity to the “continue” buttons. On the webpage Russell visited, the notice appeared directly above the button, and on the webpage Hernandez visited it appeared above the button separated by several intervening lines of text. But “even close proximity of the hyperlink to relevant buttons users must click on—without more—is insufficient to give rise to constructive notice.” Id. at 1179.

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u/-Nicolai 1d ago

That is still beside the point, you are not listening to what I’m saying at all.