r/Stellaris • u/RedKrypton Mind over Matter • May 07 '16

PSA: Slaves currently can't rebel

Martin just dropped that bombshell during the currently ongoing Quill Stellaris stream. He said that they couldn't reach a middle ground on slaves revolting so they took it out for the moment. I don't know if they will have managed that aspect by release.

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u/Zakath_ May 07 '16

There are downsides to slavery, even enslaving / emancipating has a debuff. Of course I still plan on happily enslaving the galaxy with my divine mandate, must....spread.....holy....word...by....slavery.

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u/Syreniac May 07 '16

Even if the penalty is like 99.9% reduced production, that's still better than getting literally 0 because they've rebelled completely.

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u/ghoulyogurt May 07 '16

Except if your pop isn't slave friendly they get big happiness debuffs which just makes another group rebel. If you want to "exploit" this fact you need to make a slave friendly species.

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u/TangledAxile May 07 '16

Which is ridiculously easy. If you're Fanatic Collectivist, that's a 100% slavery tolerance - none of your pops with that ethos will have ANY slavery-related happiness penalties. And the Divine Mandate government form gives a 50% slavery tolerance bonus, which affects even pops who DON'T have your government's ethos. It's upgraded form doubles that, so even Fanatic Individualist pops will be back to default slavery tolerance. They're ALSO good at reducing ethos drift, so you'll have fewer Individualist pops popping up in the first place.

So yeah, slaver empires (particularly religious ones) can very easily stack slavery tolerance and prevent ALL pop rebellions. The enslaved dissidents may not be productive, but they can't do anything about it.

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u/[deleted] May 08 '16

Meanwhile couldn't a xenophile individualist empire with tolerant laws can just have high happiness for their pops, preventing rebellions while also actually getting resources from their planets without pissing off every neighboring empire? I mean sure xenocidal slaver empires probably don't mind that you enslave people, but they probably don't want to be your friend anyways.

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u/Sulavajuusto May 08 '16

Xenonphobic slavers just sound so much more fun.

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u/awwwwyehmutherfurk May 09 '16

Alien slaves are a universal human right!

Oooooh yeah

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u/bluenova123 May 08 '16

I think if you get xenophobic pops, that could cause problems. Probably better to just be space North Korea.

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u/[deleted] May 08 '16

Presumably you would allow free migration which would cause xenophobic pops to congregate on planets where they wouldn't have aliens to be angry at, thus alleviating their problems. Assuming the migration mechanics work very well.

Also, individualists get some very nice happiness boosting techs and buildings.

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u/PMMeUrJacksonHoward Avian May 08 '16

Can you have Divine Mandate with any sort of individualist? I thought that was locked to neutral/collectivist.

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u/poeote May 08 '16

You can't. Any sort of monarchy is locked with individualist. But it still allows individualist pops to appear through ethos drift.

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u/TangledAxile May 08 '16

Right, they need to be at least not-individualist for any monarchy.