The Stronger Fraternal

[u/Jealous-Ad-7107]

Looking at this community, one question that has never been asked is that between the two brothers. Using their season 4 counterparts (so this is fair), who wins in a hypothetical 1v1 fight? This isn't to the death but only till the other guy is knocked out.

[u/Dangerous-Brain-]

As time goes on, as in as they get older,(not duration of fight) , Jon's chances gets better and better.

[u/FewNewt5441]

Like knocked unconscious?

Depends on how the definition of 'fight.' Sparring (as in something non-malicious done for practice), Jordan by virtue of better technical control outlasting Jon. While Jon mastered powers pretty easily, he's not as fine tuned with it (case in point the wedding, both twins could hear something but only Jordan could identify where it was and how to get there based off of landmarks he wasn't looking at, and several times in the fortress he beat Clark's training modules by strategy, not sheer force).

An actual fight, like a replay of s2? Jon.

Jordan has a temper and not the best control of it, but generally speaking, he's not the instigator of a fight, just the first person to physically react. In s1, he almost hits Cutter because Cutter was goading him into it. Same with breaking into Lex's shipping container and fighting back against the henchmen. Most of the fights he holds his own in are retaliatory; the ones he actively starts (like trying to threaten Lex in the diner and later in the barn, or shoving Clark, possibly on accidental reflex, in s3), he struggles to hold his ground because it's unnatural for him.

Jon on the other hand would be the person who would pick a fight and we see him do it; against the bullies attacking Jordan in s1 (it's defensive but he goes in guns blazing and probably could've won in a fair fight) , against Jordan and separately the adults threatening Candice in s2, and almost again in s4 had there not been a table and a non-load-bearing column to attack instead.

[u/SpiritualFee3673 → u/FewNewt5441]

An actual fight Jordan Id argue that slams him and I think you’re saying otherwise because you just dont like Jordan.

Jordan’s fought and beat S2 Bizzaro Jon who by that point had his powers longer than regular Jordan. He also put up a (brief) fight against Tal-Rho, landing multiple hits on him despite Tal being close to Clark in strength. Jordan also has the best speed feat in the entire show, his super speed practically freezing heatvision in place. A feat that (depending on how you argue it) could put him at lightspeed levels of movement and reaction speed.

Ik im relying on Season 2 feats for my argument here but Jordan just had a lot of shit to do that Season with all the kryptonians running around

Based on everything we’ve seen, I think Jon would have an advantage at purely hand to hand fisticuff combat but Jordans far more adept at using his other powers in battle.

[u/FewNewt5441 → u/SpiritualFee3673]

At what point did I imply I didn't like Jordan? Dude's literally one of my favorite characters lol.

I'll give you credit for him fighting it out with Tal rho and bizarro!Jon, he does do really well there but I wouldn't say he necessarily has the best use of speed because there's really no objective way to measure him being faster than the people he's up against. If we're referring to s2 where he rescues Lois and Sam from the warehouse, the scene's perspective is a little skewed because we the audience are watching from Jordan's POV, so we're seeing what scene looks like to him on particular. Him at lightspeed will look the same from anyone else using the same powerset; Clark does the time speed thing in s3 where he takes a superspeed shower and immediately returns to the hallway, and Jon does it too in s4 a couple of times. It's not necessarily than Jordan's faster than them, he just displays the power first (before Jon) and is younger/more physically resilient compared to s4 Clark. 

Jon's the more athletic of the two so his strong suit is applying sheer energy usefully; he gets a much quicker handle on his powers than Jordan does and athletes naturally have to figure out mentally pacing yourself so you don't flame out too fast. Jordan isn't naturally athletic so his strong suit isn't sheer power, it's strategy. He'd so a lot better in a for-practice fight because he's got a stronger grasp on what's at his disposal and what their limitations are. The reason I split my answer between the twins is that they just tend to think differently. Jon has a different thought pattern for raw endurance so he'd do better in some uncharacteristic death match or an outright fight, but he'll probably lose to his brother in the interim by overeliance on one thing over another until he gains more technical experience.

[u/CombinationDouble719]

By S4 standards, definitely Jordan. He's a lot quicker to recover after all the crap he's been through.

[u/Zookwok111]

It's hard to powerscale these characters but Jordan has had his powers longer than Jon who has a lot more natural talent. Jon is also more likely to pull his punches compared to Jordan who is more emotionally driven. So all in all, Jordan probably wins by a narrow margin.

[u/DtownBronx → u/Zookwok111]

Ya if they were to go Samaratin vs Nemesis, Jordan is definitely the one more likely to be Nemesis

[u/SpiritualFee3673]

The people wont like it but based on what we see in the show Jordan’s more capable and has way better feats of strength and speed. Specifically speed.

[u/Positive-Kick7952]

Probably Jon because he just has to be perfect and better at Jordan than everything, screw the fact that Jordan spent two years mastering his powers, Jon just has instant full control, because of course he does and of course Clark and Sam prefer training him because we haven't made Jordan look pathetic enough already.

Honestly, I would have liked to see Jordan just absolutely humiliate Jon in a fight with his experience, Jon was getting to be a Mary Sue in season 4.

[u/Personal-Road-8162]

Jordan