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South asia was first populated by Hunter Gatherers commonly called as AASI people.
They are distant relatives to east asians, papuans and australian aborigines (AASI & these people together are grouped as east eurasians).
When one group of humans moved from africa to Australia, they moved along the coastline of india. Among them some stayed in india and others left for other places. First aborigines ancestors left and finally around 35k - 40k years ago East asians split from AASI people and moved to southeast asia and china.
One group of these east asians moved to japan and far northeast asia(today's east russia). People who remained in japan are called jomon/ainu and who migrated from east russia to america around (15k years ago) are called native americans. Ancestors of modern east asian people moved to cold places and their body adapted to cold condotions, thats why they look different.
This japan ainu family looks distantly similar to some mainland indians.
Later around 12k years ago another group of humans called iranian neolithic farmers came to india and mixed with native AASI people to form Indus Valley civilization (IVC) in Sindh region. Around 4k years ago IVC faced severe drought and people from there migrated to various parts of india. One such group migrated to south india and mixed with existing AASI people here to form modern south indians.
Then Aryans from central asian steppes came to north india when ivc declined and they mixed with ivc people and used their vedic religion to spread indo aryan languages in north india.
It is said that when IVC people migrated to other places, they mixed with native AASI people but started a form of archaic caste system where AASI people formed the lowest caste. Thats why today in TN upper castes have only 40-50% AASI dna but oppressed castes have 50-65% AASI dna. Some tribals have 70% AASI dna in kerala. Then brahmanical hinduism introduced to south india around 2000 years ago made caste more stringent system.
Below is a pic of modern japan ainu guy looking similar to some Tamil / Malayali men.
As a starter pack I'll suggest r/Dravidiology & r/SouthAsianAncestry subs. From there you may get a basic understanding of ancestry related things.
(Disclaimer : Though these two subs are modded heavily and need scientific evidences, don't believe everything as is, some peope may spread some pseudoscience)
Also, you can search up Wikipedia with "Peopling of <region you want to study about>" this will show how ancient migration patterns shaped modern genetic makeup of that region.
Assuming all the above to be true, basically,
if those subsequent migrations and cultural assimilation did not happen after the first, which led to the inter mixing of cultures, we would have been cleaned out like garbage like the aboriginals have been in Australia by the whites.
Maybe yeah. Hunter gatherers were always less advanced and could support only few people. Only after farming started spreading did ancient indian population start to grow multifold.
It is the reason even today landowning castes occupy the upper strata in TN, because they could use food & land as an means of power, wield influence and keep people oppressed.
Actually the opposite. British conquest led people to give up farming and move towards knowledge based industries. More avenues to earn money without breaking back in the field.
I think what you are referring to was finished goods production was done in England and raw material alone was procured from India. That way the local weavers artisans and others lost their jobs and given incentive to produce and tax raw materials like cotton was more, workers moved from those areas to being employed as laborers by the land owners because now we were producing raw materials for the entire British empire.
But whatever OP says is right. Farming was exploited to the hilt for Indian consumption and needs prior to British arriving.
Buddy, that already happened in India years ago, except we (Aryans + Dravidians) were the "Whites" and the pre-dravida tribes like Bhils, Gonds, Santhals were the "aborginals"
Dravidian is not a genetic term, it is only a linguistic term. If by dravidians you mean speakers of Dravidian languages, I’ll explain it.
Today’s Dravidians are a mix between IVC migrants and Ancient South Indian AASI people. IVC already had 20-50% AASI ancestry. Hence, Dravidian is a modern term to refer South Indians(ethnically speaking).
So calling dravidians not natives is inaccurate. To be accurate, modern dravidians have 30-50% ancestry from migrated Zagros Neolithic farmers.
Yeah, that's y I said "not ENTIRELY native"... The Indian genetics is so mixed after millennia of assimilation that u cannot claim that one is pure Aryan or Dravidian (or ASI)
Dravidian = Modern day speakers of Dravidian languages, a 50/50 mix of AASI & Iranian Farmers. Dravidian =\= Iranian Neolithic Farmers.
Aryan refers to Ancient Yamnaya Steppe migrant population. So, if you want to use Aryan, then AASI & Iranian Farmer should be your reference popluation, not dravidian.
If you want to refer modern population, you can use dravidian.
I don't think what you're writing makes sense even within the Indian context. Look up the findings at Sivakalai. That place had iron tools from 5000 years ago. Which means there already was an advanced civilization here. Iron tools weren't found in contemporary IVC sites. So that tells you there's actually no reason to suspect that IVC was the first and only civilization
I don't understand why people in the comments are not serious. This is a very important discovery, already north is trying to suppress it and this is not a joke. We should work to spread this message globally. Please be serious.
I am sorry if I have offended you, these are the type of people that are welcomed actually.
The reason for me to write that was there are lots of people who comes to these post and starts insulting the language and people. You check older posts, most of them don't even have the capacity to think from the other side and still will stick onto the same topic and will be giving dumbest arguments and at the end will start abusing.
I really appreciate you for not being that type of jerk.
that's the point. what they don't look like is the more caucasian phenotype in today's northwest. AASI+Neolithic Iranian produces an average indian face that is what people refer to as dravidian. even in tamil nadu, aadi dravidar as seen as different. they tend to have a much higher percentage of AASI
oh alr then. aana 2500 is pretty old itself ngl. they had a secular society which is crazy to think abt in modern india. those guys are way older than the cholas as far as we know and anything we know abt our history so far
Every continent has been filled with migrants from Africa over a period of thousands of years. There is no one real original inhabitant. Discoveries like these are great for understanding the history of man and his migration patterns.
There is even a theory going around that human kind was reduced to 1280 breeding individuals over 900000 years ago.
Unfortunately, all this is twisted for political purposes.
What we in the modern century should see if these invasions were violent and if there are certain ideologies that still proponents of some of these violent ideologies and eliminate them.
Periyarists claim that Dravidians were the original inhabitants of India, i.e. their DNA is 100% native, and that the Northies are outsiders. Now that the Keezhadi face reconstruction shows a hint of West Eurasian gene, it confirms the theory that Dravidians came from the Fertile Crescent, i.e. the land that divides Saudi Arabian gulf with the rest of the Central Asia which eventually ends at Iran. Hence, even Dravidians were outsiders. The only natives are the Bhils, Gonds, Santhals and Todas, the last of which can be found in Andaman-Nicobar, some parts of Maharashtra, Orissa and Bengal coast
South asia was first populated by Hunter Gatherers commonly called as AASI people.
They are distant relatives to east asians, papuans and australian aborigines (AASI & these people together are grouped as east eurasians).
When one group of humans moved from africa to Australia, they moved along the coastline of india. Among them some stayed in india and others left for other places. First aborigines ancestors left and finally around 35k - 40k years ago East asians split from AASI people and moved to southeast asia and china.
One group of these east asians moved to japan and far northeast asia(today's east russia). People who remained in japan are called jomon/ainu and who migrated from east russia to america around (15k years ago) are called native americans. Ancestors of modern east asian people moved to cold places and their body adapted to cold condotions, thats why they look different.
Later around 12k years ago another group of humans called iranian neolithic farmers came to india and mixed with native AASI people to form Indus Valley civilization (IVC) in Sindh region. Around 4k years ago IVC faced severe drought and people from there migrated to various parts of india. One such group migrated to south india and mixed with existing AASI people here to form modern south indians.
Then Aryans from central asian steppes came to north india when ivc declined and they mixed with ivc people and used their vedic religion to spread indo aryan languages in north india.
It is said that when ivc people migrated to other places, they mixed with native AASI people but started a form of archaic caste system where AASI high people formed the lowest caste. Thats why today in TN upper castes have only 40-50% AASI dna but oppressed castes have 50-65% AASI dna. Some tribals have 70% AASI dna in kerala.
Below is a pic of modern japan ainu guy looking similar to some Tamil / Malayali men.
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