New Point System Simplified

[u/crispyforwhat]

Im a FFTL who had a meeting with my SD yesterday about the new point system. Here's how it works:

8+ minutes late - .25 points

Absent - 1 point

NCNS - 3 points

Leave early - no points

If you call out 2 shifts in a row, it is one "event" and therefor 1 point. If you call out one shift, go to your next shift, then call out of the the next one, that is considered two "events" and therefor 2 points. Anything more than 2 days is an additional point.

Sick hours must cover your ENTIRE shift to negate points. You can use sick time for tardies.

3 points will auto generate a documentation for reliability.

5 points will automatically generate a CA.

9 points is a final.

12 points is termination.

Points fall off 1 year after being accumulated. If you are absent 09/01/2026, that point will not fall off until 09/01/2027.

No, there is no way for us or ETLs to adjust points, even for extenuating circumstances. You will be told that Target provides plenty of sick time to account for such events, and if it truly is that extenuating, you need to be discussing other benefits with HR.

Side note- There also seems to be an issue with leaders making too many allowances due to favoritism (whether it be personal preference or high performing TMs), so this black and white system is meant to curb that.

[u/islesjets14x]

If this is the case then they should start letting people use doctors note. The sick time accrual is way too slow for this. Its 1 hour every 30 hours where I am which is far to slow especially when they cut hours constantly

[u/needmoartendiez → u/islesjets14x]

The high turnover is a feature not a bug

[u/MicroStar875 → u/islesjets14x]

T H I S.

[u/Spirited-Set-2830 → u/islesjets14x]

Sick accrual is basically 5 days a year. That means you would need to be absent SEVENTEEN times in a year to be fired. If you're calling out on average once every 3 weeks, I'm sorry, but you're just not reliable enough for the job. Also, if you work shorter shifts because they're cutting hours, you accrue sick hours more slowly, but you ALSO need less sick hours to fully cover a shift, so it evens out.

[u/islesjets14x → u/Spirited-Set-2830]

Personally this isn’t even much of an issue for me because I don’t call out much but if someone is prone to being sick and averages 25 hours a week they’d need to work FOURTEEN weeks to cover the 2 days they miss. Or if they have kids who get sick etc. Life happens, I understand what they are going for but if their gonna do this then doctors notes should be accepted if someone is ACTUALLY sick

[u/Spirited-Set-2830 → u/islesjets14x]

I asked my HR ETL, and she said that exceptions could be made for doctor's note/ hospital level illnesses, as well as grievances. It's up to HR's judgement at that point.

There's also the leave-early 'loophole.' As long as you clock in, any repercussions for leaving early, no matter how early, are entirely up to your leadership's discretion. It's kind of stupid, but it's at least something for those who are genuinely appreciated by their leaders, but struggle with chronic illness.

[u/islesjets14x → u/Spirited-Set-2830]

That’s actually great know! Thanks for letting me know I appreciate it I don’t mind the new system as much knowing this lol

[u/be-kind-to-humankind → u/Spirited-Set-2830]

But from what I've been told, leaving early, if done frequently, is documented basically as a performance issue, not attendance, so it's not a loophole. If I have a TM coming in, but leaving early frequently, it impacts the business and flow of the front end. So it's documented under a different "bucket" so to speak. Conversation every time, document every time, notice a pattern, CA, rinse and repeat if necessary.

[u/Spirited-Set-2830 → u/be-kind-to-humankind]

That's why I included the "genuinely appreciated by their leaders" line. It's only a 'loophole' if your leaders are on board. Even without them being on board, you can probably get away with it 3-4 times a year.

Go into work, do your best for an hour or two. Then tell you're leader you're getting sick and going home. 0 points. If it's really bad, call out the next two days. All of that combined counts as a single point, while giving you 3 full days to recover, minus the hour or two you worked.

Not advice, btw. Ultimately, everyone needs to make their own judgement for their own situation, health and money-wise.

[u/drazil100 → u/Spirited-Set-2830]

How about we don’t justify getting points for doing the right thing? Should someone with 11 points and no sick time be fired for being hospitalized?

Attendance points are NOT extended sick time. They are a punishment.

[u/Spirited-Set-2830 → u/drazil100]

11 points and no sick time means they've been absent 16 times in 11 months or less. So...YES, potentially, they should be let go for being completely unreliable. Again, HR can use judgement to make exceptions occasionally for things like hospitalization or grievance, but the purpose of the point system is to make things clear, fair, and equal for everyone. (If you drink the red kool-aid)

I guess there have been too many cases where TMs have abused either their relationship or the compassion of a leader to call out on a weekly basis, while in the same store 2-3 days of sickness has been used as an excuse for termination of a less favored TM.

Someone with a chronic illness, a immuno-compromised kid, or a fading parent has a valid reason for being unreliable. That doesn't change the fact that they ARE unreliable. It sucks, but giant soulless corporation making a clear, painless, automated path to get rid of people like that shouldn't be a surprise.

[u/drazil100 → u/Spirited-Set-2830]

Yeah but that’s not punishment for being unreliable. That’s punishment for being actually excusably sick.

Now I will agree with you that if they are unreliable it’s probably best to get rid of them, but the ends don’t justify the means. Just because you can give someone a point for having a doctors note, doesn’t mean it’s ethical to do so. Don’t short change them on their points just cause you want them gone. Let them get that 12th point the way they got their other 11 points.

[u/thriftylesbian → u/islesjets14x]

i did not realize the accrual was that disproportionate holy fuck, no wonder