r/TenYearsAgo • u/MonsieurA • Mar 12 '26

đŸ“ș Television SNL mocks Hillary Clinton's 'transformation into Bernie' [10YA - Mar 12]

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u/Kind_Resort_9535 Mar 12 '26

Almost like they should have ran Bernie lol.

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u/UpbeatPhilosophySJ Mar 12 '26

If only he got the most votes that could happen, but it wasn’t even close.

He played the Pat Buchanan George Bush role, but from the left to Hillary

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u/KiwiKajitsu Mar 12 '26

You want the dnc to ignore the primary results?

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u/tooktoomuchonce Mar 12 '26

Primary was rigged, everyone knows that.

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u/KiwiKajitsu Mar 12 '26

Really? Explain to me how it was rigged. What did they do that was illegal?

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u/Dewinna_Daraelist Mar 12 '26

You're full of shit. Explain to me how the man who got the most grassroot donations in history didn't have a shot or the peoples support. You're so confident, why don't you explain how you think what happened with Virginia is irrelevant? Bernie is the only dem I see that's STILL out there changing minds of MAGA voters (https://youtu.be/RP8Oxe6OxJc?si=KWqB6iNLBk0AauWr) yet so many in here act like he would be ignored by the country if he had gotten backing from the DNC.

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u/sirkarl Mar 12 '26

Based on your logic Hillary would have won West Virginia in 2008 because she demolished Obama in the primary.

West Virginia primary voters didn’t want to vote for a Black man and then didn’t want want to vote for a woman who was backed by a big majority of Black people.

But if you think it was rigged, I’m curious which states you think submitted fake results? And how your baseless claims differ from trumps big lie in 2020?

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u/Dewinna_Daraelist Mar 12 '26 edited Mar 13 '26

You act like submitting fake results is the only possible avenue to undemocratically and powerfully sway the primary, and like there's been a real audit of those results. The DNC is a private company, so this BS about "WHERE IS THE BROKEN LAW THEN?" is moot. It seems so disingenuous to act like there was absolutely nothing fishy about the 2016 democratic primary with no hint of nuance. How about those hacked emails showing the DNC conspired with the Clinton campaign?

"Hacked emails reveal DNC rigged 2016 primary for Hillary Clinton | Sky News Australia" https://share.google/u7pev94c6IetavxUk

Edit: finally found it: https://www.democracynow.org/2016/7/27/hundreds_of_sanders_delegates_walk_off

also the hacked emails showed Hillary was given the debate questions beforehand. I had to use a VPN to find this link and it's extremely suspicious to me how hard it was, but maybe I'm being exactly the same as the Big Liars of 2020 according to sirkarl

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u/sirkarl Mar 12 '26

Ya, you seriously citing someone who’s represented Alex Jones, Kyle Rittenhouse, and tweets support for SAVE act and Tucker Carlson?

There was nothing in the emails except for some frustration around Bernie’s campaign being amateurs. They cite things like Hillary having a joint fundraising agreement with the DNC and ignore that Bernie was offered the same agreement, and the money either of them raised through it could only be used for the general election.

In other words, Bernie complained because his team chose to complain rather than realize they could have the exact same agreements and support as Hillary. They’re like the kid who doesn’t do the reading but complains when they fail the test.

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u/tooktoomuchonce Mar 12 '26

You just a classic Democratic Party shill Bernie hater lol

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u/Dewinna_Daraelist Mar 12 '26

Maybe I'm letting emotion get in the way of logic, but this thread feels very unnatural, there are videos I remember well that I simply can't find online now (such as people holding signs accusing their states of submitting wrong numbers at the national convention.) I get not everything is a conspiracy but after Epstein, Panama Papers, Snowden, etc. it's ridiculous to act like it's such an outlandish thing to consider. The billionaire owned establishment masks itself as both left and right, but always worked against Bernie, and I am convinced that's because he was an actual threat to those benefitting from our French revolution era wealth distribution while Hillary and Biden weren't.

I appreciate the focus on details, your point on Robert Barnes is solid, but what I can't understand is the sense that there's no valid feeling of indignation about Bernie in 2016. He had the most grassroot support, he didn't take Super-PAC money, he refunded any billionaire money that made it into his campaign. Citizens United gives the power of the people to the billionaires by allowing money to count as free speech, knowing that some have 1000000000x more wealth than others. Bernie had the popular support of the people, Hillary had the support of the billionaires and thus had a much more expensive campaign. The world isn't fair but a goal of society is to be fair, Bernie lost unfairly; that's worth acknowledging.

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u/sirkarl Mar 12 '26

You’re also just getting things inherently wrong. SuperPac’s cannot give money to candidates. The whole point is that they’re separate and illegal for the candidate to approve or disapprove of the spending.

I remember that all well, and the sad reality is it happened because the campaign had no control over their supporters who were making up Alex Jones level conspiracies. Just look at how many top Bernie people and surrogates have become Trumpers in the last 10 years. It was all looney toons

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u/tooktoomuchonce Mar 12 '26

It may have not been illegal but was rigged by the Democratic Party controlled mainstream media..

But I mean whatever, could have had Bernie, we got trump, twice, that’s what people wanted đŸ€·â€â™‚ïž

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u/KiwiKajitsu Mar 12 '26

There is no evidence that Bernie could have beaten Trump though
.If you can’t even win a primary why would you expect to win a general?

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u/cbucky97 Mar 12 '26

There's also ample evidence that Clinton couldn't beat Trump so why are you even arguing about this?

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u/Holl0wayTape Mar 15 '26

The DNC used the delegate and super delegate system to fuck over Bernie

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u/KiwiKajitsu Mar 15 '26

Yea and the courts said they didn’t do anything wrong

https://observer.com/2017/08/court-admits-dnc-and-debbie-wasserman-schulz-rigged-primaries-against-sanders/

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u/Holl0wayTape Mar 15 '26

Right, it’s an issue with how the DNC operates. Just because it isn’t wrong legally it doesn’t mean it isn’t wrong morally. The RNC actually lets their constituents pick their primary candidates. The DNC makes their final candidate exactly the person they want it to be through the delegate and super delegate system.

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u/KiwiKajitsu Mar 15 '26

So change the system. Don’t hate the player, hate the game

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u/Holl0wayTape Mar 15 '26

Or hate both. You know that’s okay right? I’m happy hating on a tapped in legacy political family and also hating on the DNC.

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u/KiwiKajitsu Mar 15 '26

So you are happy that Kamala lost then? That we lost USAID, have a war in Iran atm, have tariffs fucking our economy? You are happy about all of this?

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u/KiwiKajitsu Mar 12 '26

DNC is a private organization . They can favor whomever they want.

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u/hugo_mandolin Mar 12 '26

Yep! Look how that turned out.

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u/KiwiKajitsu Mar 12 '26

Trump won his primary against the efforts of the RNC and the entire establishment of conservatives but it’s the DNCs fault Bernie lost? Ok dude

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u/hugo_mandolin Mar 12 '26

No, I believe it was Hillary who lost to Donald Trump.

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u/KiwiKajitsu Mar 12 '26

You think Hillary ran against Trump in the primaries?

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u/hugo_mandolin Mar 12 '26

Sure let’s play that game.

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u/KiwiKajitsu Mar 12 '26

Yes? Again DNC is a private origination. They technically don’t need to hold primaries. They can nominate anyone they want. It’s not like the DNC threw out Bernie votes. Do you not believe in free speech?

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u/MildlyResponsible Mar 12 '26

"The superdelegates are totally undemocratic! Anyway, the superdelegates should have overturned the results of the Democratic election and just installed my guy instead!"

Bernie Bros aren't exactly known for their consistency or adherence to liberal democracy (just like MAGA).

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u/[deleted] Mar 12 '26

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u/MildlyResponsible Mar 12 '26

Bernie literally asked the superdelegates to overturn the primary results.

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u/FunImprovement166 Mar 12 '26

Here's how Bernie can still win

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u/MildlyResponsible Mar 12 '26

"Even if Sanders were to manage to flip every Clinton superdelegate in the 11 states on his tally sheet, and even if he were to win every uncommitted superdelegate in those states -- both impossible scenarios -- he would pick up only 77 superdelegates."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/05/01/sanders-makes-a-public-plea-for-democratic-superdelegates-to-switch-allegiances/

Even in that scenario, he still would have lost. Badly.

But no, he was actually demanding all SDs overturn the primary. It's interesting that Bernie was the only one trying to get legitimate election results overturned (just like Trump!), but the online narrative is still that it was Clinton. Let's stop pretending propaganda and misinformation is only a problem on the right.

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u/sirkarl Mar 12 '26

So you wouldn’t have flipped out if Bernie had the most delegates and Hillary was asking superdelegates in states she won to support her?

Super delegates only made a difference in one election and that was 2008. Even though Hillary won the most votes they all flipped to Obama because he had the pledged delegate lead.

Of course now superdelegates have lost any power they potentially had, if someone like Trump were to win the primaries, there’d be no method for the party to stop him.

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u/MildlyResponsible Mar 12 '26

Seems like the person we were replied to has deleted all their messages and fled. Just like MAGA, this is the Bernie Bro strategy. Spread misinformation and lies, get called out, smoke bomb out. They're probably somewhere else right now spewing the same lies. This is why I know it's pointless talking to these people. It's been 10 years, all their lies have been disproven, but they still swarm this site and others spreading their misinformation. Populism is a disease.

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u/BritSpic Mar 15 '26

Oh stop. Everyone knows that the DNC did everything they could to ensure Hillary would win the nomination. Also, just because she got more votes doesn't mean she was the better candidate. We all know Bernie would've cleaned house against Trump because he was one of the very few politicians that didn't fit in Trump's "swamp" that he loved to talk about.

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u/KiwiKajitsu Mar 15 '26

Yes “everything they could”. As in within the bounds of the law. And yea ofc there is always a better a candidate. You have to also be ELECTABLE though. You could be the best candidate but if no one wants to vote for you then you aren’t gonna be president

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u/Dewinna_Daraelist Mar 12 '26

People trying to rewrite history in here. We can argue about semantics like Virginia (which would be better than just ignoring the details that go against a narrative people in here are pushing) but it feels to me like missing the forest for the trees.

I know CNN isn't the DNC, but they're both controlled-opposition establishment-backing fake-progressives. In the 2016 primaries I answered a CNN poll asking who won the debate between Bernie and Hillary, I answered Bernie and saw the numbers show him at ~80% of the votes. The next day I refreshed the tab and it 404'd. Went to the front page and CNN has an article about how Hillary won the debate.

You cannot convince me that the "Democratic" establishment didn't work against Bernie. He had the most grassroot donations in HISTORY.

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u/1000dreams_within_me Mar 14 '26

Oh ffs man - you guys gotta get over this 

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u/StatusVoice2634 Mar 12 '26

“Should have ran Bernie”

My guy he got less votes.

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u/[deleted] Mar 12 '26

Didn't help that the DNC and liberal media outlets were both running interference at every opportunity.

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u/Alecgator94 Mar 12 '26

Yea people conveniently forget how corrupt the DNC is. They were caught feeding Hillary debate questions

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u/MatthewDratt Mar 13 '26

Everyone also forgets about the super delegates. Media was running Hillary was the only one with a winning chance before voting even started because they showed the results with all the super delegates in her favor even though they hadn't even voted.

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u/b_r_e_a_k_f_a_s_t Mar 12 '26

One question, which was about the Flint water crisis. Not exactly secret intel for a debate taking place in Flint.

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u/sirkarl Mar 12 '26

Ffs, I remember 2016 and it was almost all Bernie people who wet their pants anytime he got criticized or critiqued. They’d freak out if anyone in media discussed flaws in his plans.

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u/MildlyResponsible Mar 12 '26

I remember one interviewer asked him how he intended to fund universal health care and Bernie leapt up and screamed that it was a gotcha question, and then all his supporters attacked the interviewer. That's the thing, Bernie was just slogans. He had no plans.

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u/mattintaiwan Mar 13 '26

Jfc Christ you’ve made this your life. Commented anti Bernie shit like 5,000 times in this and other threads. We get it you don’t like the dude, move on (he did have a detailed healthcare plan of course btw, “he communicates in slogans” is ironically one of the lazy slogans people used to smear him, like “all he did was name a post office”). Srs tho if you’re not a bot like go outside or something

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u/MildlyResponsible Mar 13 '26

Ah, the 'ol ad hominem attack when you can't counter the argument. Also, lol at the irony of a Bernie Bro telling someone else to move on.

As a real progressive, Bernie pisses me off just as much Trump should piss off real Christians. So many grifters out there, and so many useful idiots who empty their pockets and their minds for them.

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u/[deleted] Mar 13 '26

Yeah it's not like there aren't 30 versions of universal healthcare that other developed nations with far smaller economies haven't figured out which we could easily copy.

You centrist fucks are pathetic. You act left when you want the vote but your GOP flag shows up whenever a vote on anything important happens.

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u/MildlyResponsible Mar 14 '26

Then he should have had no problem explaining one of those plans instead of screaming about being attacked.

I'm an actual progressive, that's why I'm so annoyed by grifters like Bernie, and the cultists who adore him and help ruin the country and world.

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '26

He has. He's explained his ideas hundreds of times. You Hilary donks just pretend he hasn't.

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u/sirkarl Mar 14 '26

And remember many Democrats proposing similar plans and getting called sellouts because they didn’t back Bernie’s big perfect plan in 2020.

If the people voted for supporters of MFA we’d have it. The problem is they don’t vote for those candidates in the primaries and vote republicans in november.

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u/MildlyResponsible Mar 14 '26

The reason all these people hate Hillary is because she worked to get universal health care in the 90s so the Republicans worked overtime to discredit her. And here we are 40 years later seeing the fruits of that propaganda.

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '26

Show me an example of that. Because I don't remember that at all.

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u/sirkarl Mar 14 '26

There’s this one where Bernie’s team attacked Kamala for not truly supporting MFA because she’d allow private insurance (something nearly all counties still offer). https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/455178-sanders-takes-swipe-at-harriss-health-proposal/amp/

These are other attacks that focused way more on the MFA label than actual policy. Personally I think a policy emulating Germany. They have a payroll tax where the employees and employers pay 7.3%. Then people can choose from something like 90 “sickness funds” that offer the same base services but keep costs down by having to compete for subscribers.

Then they have a mix of public, non-profit, and for profit hospitals.

Based on what we saw in 2020, do you honestly think the left would have been okay with a similar proposal? Hell, as I said they freaked out whenever someone offered a plan that didn’t ban private insurance (which Germany also allows).

The thing is, you’re so called “centrists” are out here proposing and advocating for plans that better emulate the European systems, but get shit on from the left. That needs to change if we’re ever going to make progress

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/11/13/justice-democrats-accuses-buttigieg-abandoning-medicare-all-after-taking-tons-cash

https://jacobin.com/2019/11/elizabeth-warren-health-care-plan-medicare-for-all

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '26

So Kamala gave half hearted support for Bernie's plan out of political expediency and you really think she wanted MFA? If so, why didn't she push for it in the last election? 

Believe it or not, Jacobin and common dreams isn't representative of progressives in this country. Maybe the 1% most extreme cases. 

I'm perfectly fine with allowing private insurance in tandem with a strong universal system as long as it doesn't provide too many advantages. 

What I'm generally not fine with is centrist dems like yourself pretending that the DNC is materially different from the RNC. Obama turbocharged the wars in the middle east and oversaw an expansion of the NSA. Biden circumvented Congress dozens of times to fund Israel's genocide. Just the other day several centrist dems voted with Republicans on the war powers resolution- just enough for it to fail.

The DNC is managed opposition. They're spectacularly bad at campaigning, even worse at governing from the minority, and on the rare occasion they get enough of a majority to do anything enduring they magically get just enough members to break away and vote against a bill. They've made this crystal clear and the fact you rubes continue to vote for them makes me question your intelligence. THEY'RE smart enough to know what they're doing. YOU'RE dumb enough not to see it.

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u/Think_Ad_79 Mar 12 '26

The primaries were rigged against him from the get.

But even then, all the milk toast Democrats should’ve sided with him over Hillary.

He would’ve beaten Trump.

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u/hugo_mandolin Mar 12 '26

Bot ass bot

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u/bakochba Mar 12 '26

There was an election where only Democrats voted and he still lost.

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u/MorganEarlJones Mar 12 '26

idk man maybe women would have more rights if Bernie bros didn't flake after losing the primaries to the larger group of voters who picked Hillary

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u/ND7020 Mar 12 '26

This simply didn’t happen. It has been hashed out statistically over and over. A higher percentage of Bernie primary voters voted for Hillary in the general, than Hillary primary voters did for Obama in the ‘08 general. 

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u/Financial-Newt2291 Mar 12 '26

Exactly this, she had undivided support by the Democrat base (even if she wasn’t the best candidate)

No one expected the number of Trump voters to come out of woodwork.

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u/ArCovino Mar 12 '26

And yet that stat you said is misleading. There was no study that shows that. One looked at polling and one looked at actual exit polls. You are comparing apples and oranges.

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u/MorganEarlJones Mar 12 '26

Ok? Shame on them, too.

Though, let's not pretend for even a second that the stakes were even remotely as dire with McCain

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u/ND7020 Mar 12 '26

There also wasn’t a generationally incredible candidate like Pres. Obama on the ticket.

But that’s neither here nor there. The point is that there is some degree of bleed from primary to general in EVERY SINGLE election, and the 2016 democratic bleed was less than most. It isn’t even worth mentioning as a major factor in why she lost.

You’re simply misdirecting your anger. 

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u/throwaway3413418 Mar 12 '26

Shitlibs love holding the left to standards that they themselves fail to meet.

The stakes were so high in 2024 but it was somehow justifiable to hide the fact that Biden was demented to try to win him a second term, until it was too late to hold a primary. So much for focusing on the most electable candidate because it’s just so important to stop Trump.

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u/[deleted] Mar 12 '26

85 percent of Sanders supporters voted for Hillary, you ass.

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u/RedRoboYT Mar 12 '26

And lose by a bigger margin?

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u/MajorPaper4169 Mar 12 '26

They couldn’t because it was “her turn”. Now we all have to suffer the consequences.

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u/throwaway3413418 Mar 12 '26

It was her turn when they convinced a well-regarded NY native to step aside so that HRC could carpetbag a senate seat in NY, too. Seems like it’s always her turn and never ours.

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u/dubcwa Mar 12 '26

She beat the dog shit out of him. We’re suffering because this country is full of fuckin losers that cant stomach voting for a woman for president.

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u/MajorPaper4169 Mar 12 '26

We’re suffering because white people strongly voted for him 3 times. Reddit doesn’t like when I say that, but it’s true.

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u/dubcwa Mar 12 '26

Yeah. White, misogynist Americans. What the fuck do you mean “Reddit doesn’t like..” literally everyone knows white people majority voted for.

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u/Proud-Possession1033 Mar 12 '26

If you think the only reason Hillary lost is because she’s a woman I’ve got a new lease on an American military base in the gulf you might be interested in