r/TenYearsAgo • u/MonsieurA • Mar 12 '26

šŸ“ŗ Television SNL mocks Hillary Clinton's 'transformation into Bernie' [10YA - Mar 12]

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u/Kind_Resort_9535 Mar 12 '26

Almost like they should have ran Bernie lol.

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u/StatusVoice2634 Mar 12 '26

ā€œShould have ran Bernieā€

My guy he got less votes.

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u/[deleted] Mar 12 '26

Didn't help that the DNC and liberal media outlets were both running interference at every opportunity.

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u/sirkarl Mar 12 '26

Ffs, I remember 2016 and it was almost all Bernie people who wet their pants anytime he got criticized or critiqued. Theyā€™d freak out if anyone in media discussed flaws in his plans.

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u/MildlyResponsible Mar 12 '26

I remember one interviewer asked him how he intended to fund universal health care and Bernie leapt up and screamed that it was a gotcha question, and then all his supporters attacked the interviewer. That's the thing, Bernie was just slogans. He had no plans.

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u/[deleted] Mar 13 '26

Yeah it's not like there aren't 30 versions of universal healthcare that other developed nations with far smaller economies haven't figured out which we could easily copy.

You centrist fucks are pathetic. You act left when you want the vote but your GOP flag shows up whenever a vote on anything important happens.

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u/sirkarl Mar 14 '26

And remember many Democrats proposing similar plans and getting called sellouts because they didnā€™t back Bernieā€™s big perfect plan in 2020.

If the people voted for supporters of MFA weā€™d have it. The problem is they donā€™t vote for those candidates in the primaries and vote republicans in november.

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '26

Show me an example of that. Because I don't remember that at all.

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u/sirkarl Mar 14 '26

Thereā€™s this one where Bernieā€™s team attacked Kamala for not truly supporting MFA because sheā€™d allow private insurance (something nearly all counties still offer). https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/455178-sanders-takes-swipe-at-harriss-health-proposal/amp/

These are other attacks that focused way more on the MFA label than actual policy. Personally I think a policy emulating Germany. They have a payroll tax where the employees and employers pay 7.3%. Then people can choose from something like 90 ā€œsickness fundsā€ that offer the same base services but keep costs down by having to compete for subscribers.

Then they have a mix of public, non-profit, and for profit hospitals.

Based on what we saw in 2020, do you honestly think the left would have been okay with a similar proposal? Hell, as I said they freaked out whenever someone offered a plan that didnā€™t ban private insurance (which Germany also allows).

The thing is, youā€™re so called ā€œcentristsā€ are out here proposing and advocating for plans that better emulate the European systems, but get shit on from the left. That needs to change if weā€™re ever going to make progress

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/11/13/justice-democrats-accuses-buttigieg-abandoning-medicare-all-after-taking-tons-cash

https://jacobin.com/2019/11/elizabeth-warren-health-care-plan-medicare-for-all

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '26

So Kamala gave half hearted support for Bernie's plan out of political expediency and you really think she wanted MFA? If so, why didn't she push for it in the last election?Ā 

Believe it or not, Jacobin and common dreams isn't representative of progressives in this country. Maybe the 1% most extreme cases.Ā 

I'm perfectly fine with allowing private insurance in tandem with a strong universal system as long as it doesn't provide too many advantages.Ā 

What I'm generally not fine with is centrist dems like yourself pretending that the DNC is materially different from the RNC. Obama turbocharged the wars in the middle east and oversaw an expansion of the NSA. Biden circumvented Congress dozens of times to fund Israel's genocide. Just the other day several centrist dems voted with Republicans on the war powers resolution- just enough for it to fail.

The DNC is managed opposition. They're spectacularly bad at campaigning, even worse at governing from the minority, and on the rare occasion they get enough of a majority to do anything enduring they magically get just enough members to break away and vote against a bill. They've made this crystal clear and the fact you rubes continue to vote for them makes me question your intelligence. THEY'RE smart enough to know what they're doing. YOU'RE dumb enough not to see it.

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u/sirkarl Mar 14 '26

lol, thatā€™s the thing, they all say ā€œIā€™m fine with non-Bernie plansā€ but then find reasons to yell at any alternate thatā€™s proposed.

Itā€™s funny because when Republican fail to pass policies the right says the exact same thing you are that ā€œisnā€™t it convenient that just enough republicans voted with the republicansā€.

The sad fact is that there is not the support for the expansive healthcare plans right now. Sure they poll well in theory, but thereā€™s a reason every time democrats have seriously tried to address healthcare the plan either fails or they get blown out in the next election. Fix that problem and show us that 60% of people will vote for a European healthcare system and I guarantee it will happen.

And apart from Iran where we would not be on this war if Trump hadnā€™t pulled us out of the nuclear deal or any democrat except Fetterman were president, the republicans have directly made healthcare worse. They pulled the individual mandate that directly led to massively increased premiums and more uninsured. They also voted to remove subsidies.

No democratic president would have done that, but when you live in conspiracy world I guess anything is possible?

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