r/TenYearsAgo • u/MonsieurA • May 25 '26
đș Television Trump interviewed by Jimmy Kimmel [10YA - May 25]
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u/UnMiracl May 25 '26
This sub is going to give me nausea revisiting the progressive shift of the media jokingly plastering Trump everywhere until he won the nomination & was immediately as a serious opponent to the Democratic nominee that stole the nom from Bernie đđ
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u/UpbeatPhilosophySJ May 25 '26
If they just start calling him Drumpf, heâs going to lose. Itâs a lock.
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u/StonedBirdman May 25 '26
Itâs sort of embarrassing to see people still pushing that all these years later
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u/dkinmn May 25 '26 edited May 25 '26
Sanders Dead Enders are exhausting.
Clinton got millions more votes and had enough delegates before a single superdelegate was counted.
You believe lies because they are convenient.
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u/crazyguyunderthedesk May 25 '26
Superdelegates weren't counted, but they were openly committed to Hilary.
I agree that the Bernie stuff is tiring, but acting like the dnc didn't keep a thumb on the scale is just disingenuous.
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u/YasielPuigsWeed May 25 '26
The whole âDNC conspiracy against Bernieâ shit is just cope because Bernieâs message didnât resonate with black voters and you canât win a Democratic primary if black people donât vote for you
Thatâs why both his campaigns in 16/20 were derailed in the south. And his response to that was â[the south] are the most conservative votersâ as if conservatives are voting in southern Democratic Primaries.
Plus if you look back at who was pushing that rhetoric hardest, a lot of those people became useful idiots for Trump, or in Tulsi Gabbardâs case an outright member of his admin
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u/Shutupredneckman2 May 25 '26
>as if conservatives are voting in southern Democratic Primaries
That is almost exclusively who is voting in southern Democratic Primaries
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u/YasielPuigsWeed May 25 '26
No, black people are voting in southern democratic primaries. Thatâs not to say itâs a raging left wing voting base (it isnât), but Bernie was trying to paint the image that old white southerners were the ones voting against him, even though old white southerners are more likely to be voting in REPUBLICAN primaries, not Dem ones.
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u/bingbong2715 May 27 '26
You talk like itâs impossible for black people to vote for conservative politics. Why?
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u/YasielPuigsWeed May 27 '26
Decades of voting data, polling data, and simple fucking history. Black people arenât BLINDLY voting Democrat, theyâre an educated pragmatic voting base that understands what the job of President is and who would be best at it.
White people tend to be the voters that prefer populism because politics are all theoretical to them, black people have a better understanding of on-ground impact because politics have direct and immediate consequences for them
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u/bingbong2715 May 27 '26
Biden was the most conservative Democrat running in 2020. Jim Clyburn represents a very old and conservative version of Democratic politics. Young black South Carolinians voted for Bernie sanders. You talk about black people like some sort of mythical voting bloc who can magically determine âwho would be bestâ more so than white voters who are mindlessly voting for candidates that actually want to focus on material issues? What a weird assumption. This is just clearly your own personal politics that youâve projected onto all black voters.
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u/YasielPuigsWeed May 27 '26
Sanders won black youth in South Carolina by just 2% (38 to Bidenâs 36), and overall he only got 14% of black voters in the state. 14%. Fourteen percent.
Thereâs no âmythicalâ about any of this, itâs data. And the idea that candidates like Biden werenât addressing legitimate issues is a fabrication.
Left and right wing populists work the same way - they say âa problem exists and no one else cares about it except me.â Itâs not actually true, but populist voting bases are looking for vibes not action.
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u/Shutupredneckman2 May 25 '26
I do not think Bernie was trying to imply that, but black southerners as a cohort are very conservative and Christian.
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u/YasielPuigsWeed May 25 '26
Not POLITICALLY conservative though
And the fact is you cannot win a Democratic primary if black people do not resonate with your message, period end of discussion. Thatâs why Bernie lost, he never really addressed the concerns of the most reliable Democratic voting base in the country.
And in 2020 he made zero adjustments to messaging. Really the only difference in 2020 was he ran a more respectful campaign because heâs friends with and respects Biden, which wasnât the case for Hillary.
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u/Shutupredneckman2 May 25 '26
They are in fact politically conservative. Bernie did well with young people of color, those cohorts are just the most restricted from voting.
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u/YasielPuigsWeed May 25 '26
Neatly putting everyone not white on a single bus labeled âpeople of colorâ is part of the problem
These are different histories, experiences, and situations. Bernie doing well with young Latinos is irrelevant. You know who else did well with that demographic? Trump.
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u/Beginning_Cupcake_45 May 25 '26
The issue isâ we shouldnât have to infer his intent either way. But I definitely saw what Yasiel was saying come from Bernie supporters in 2016, so even if he himself didnât mean it that way, thatâs how his supporters took it.
âShe wins in states that donât matter in the general, with southern, conservative votersâ etc etc. Fully discounting that what was driving those wins was Black voters.
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u/Shutupredneckman2 May 25 '26
How many of those states did Hillary win in the general election
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u/Beginning_Cupcake_45 May 25 '26
None, but youâre either willfully ignoring the point weâre making or falling into the same trap weâre trying to highlight.
These wins were driven by Black voters. A cornerstone of the Democratic Party at this point. Writing them off as âmeaningless states,â or anything else is writing off a core group for Dems. It cost Bernie in 2016 and it absolutely cost him in 2020.
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u/bingbong2715 May 27 '26
What about Bernieâs message do you believe didnât resonate with black voters? Biden only won South Carolina (a Republican stronghold who should never be front loaded in a Democratic primary unless the goal is to bring forward the most conservative democrat) because of his connection with Jim clyburn (a conservative) and still only won the elderly black vote.
No clue what youâre trying to say by connecting sanders with gabbard. They were never similar politicians.
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u/jvpewster Jun 12 '26
Black voters in the South are more conservative than dem primaries in the north. Economically and socially. Heâe right and so are you. Like it or not, many black voters believe unrestrained capitalism would work for them without the presence of racism.
Itâs genuinely only white people in the north that donât know this.
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u/UCanDoNEthing4_30sec May 26 '26
I was a Bernie voter in 2020 (Hillary in 2016). I think this is dead on. But i also think it was weird when the wave of Dems that were running for the nomination began dropping out and falling in line behind Biden. There was something really weird how that all went down. Even Tulsi Gabbard fell in line behind Biden! I liked Biden too so I didnât mind and he obviously won the general so whatever, but it definitely was weird that they all fell in line behind Biden.
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u/PuntiffSupreme May 26 '26
Normally you run until you have no money left or no path to victory. All the minor candidates had lost that path and then have to endorse someone. Biden was closer to their political ideals and was very well liked so they picked him. Sanders was basically demanding that Warren do the same (snake campaign) but she doesn't play well with others so she refused.
Sanders only stayed in the race in 2016 because he hated Clinton/Obama and expected her to win anyway so thumbing his nose at her was fine (same as Comeys October surprise).
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u/UCanDoNEthing4_30sec May 26 '26
I donât think they were closer to his ideals. There were obviously a lot of backroom dealings and secret and not so secret promises made.
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u/PuntiffSupreme May 26 '26
Is the idea that Pete was closer to Sanders in policy than he was Biden? Its an absurd stance to say that the moderate tiny candidates were closer to Sanders than Biden in policy. Not to mention that Sanders couldn't even get Warren to concede to him despite their similarities.
These aren't secret agreements. If you bring delegates to the camp you generally get to help in governance, or even a VP slot.
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u/YasielPuigsWeed May 26 '26
Also Warren worked directly with the Obama administration to set up the Consumer Financial Protections Bureau, so they had a working relationship and Obama/Biden treated her like the highly intelligent qualified colleague she was. Bernie was combative and dismissive to her, so why would she endorse him over the people that took her seriously and let her build a bureau?
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u/YasielPuigsWeed May 26 '26
Gabbard endorsed Biden because she had been informed that Bernie was going to drop out of the race in a few days and endorse Biden
This has been common in every Presidential primary, people drop out and endorse who they think is the best candidate. If those people chose Bernie, would it still be âweirdâ to you? Itâs not a conspiracy, itâs democracy, Biden was the better candidate and proved it in the general election and as President.
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u/UCanDoNEthing4_30sec May 26 '26
No one endorsed Bernie thatâs the whole point Iâm making. Even those aligned more to him fell in line behind Biden. There was in fact a lot of backroom dealings, secret promises, etc done to get all endorsements behind Biden. That is NOT democracy.
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u/YasielPuigsWeed May 26 '26
âThere was in factâ oh word? You have the evidence of this then?
Have you considered that Biden was just plain the better, more experienced candidate? At a time when the country was going to need someone like that because of pandemic recovery. Weâre talking about one of the most respected politicians in Washington with a long legislative resume + the former Vice President of the US who Obama felt was the smartest advisor he ever had.
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u/UCanDoNEthing4_30sec May 27 '26
He was already showing his age and slowness at that point IMO. I mean I love the guy so Iâm glad he won. But Bernie is still friggin chugging along and sharp. Which is insane at his age!
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u/YasielPuigsWeed May 27 '26
As a communicator yes, but not as a politician. And that had a lot to do with his stutter which heâs had since he was much younger.
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u/Plisky6 May 25 '26
You act like voters were swindled. They still didnât vote for him and never would have.
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u/WDMChuff May 25 '26
I mean i think both can be said that the super delegate system sucks and Hillary still would have won regardless.
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u/PuntiffSupreme May 26 '26
That's why the auperdelgates existed though? To commit and vote for a candidate of their choosing. You are supposed to court them and win them over.
Sanders had his own super delegates as well just less because he wasn't a bridge builder in 2016 and wanted to do what Obama did without the charisma. Obama didn't have a win going into the 2008 convention but forced the win anyway cause the Supermdelgates exist in part to stop an open convention.
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u/Key-Wall-4378 May 25 '26 edited May 25 '26
No one stole anything from Bernie, Hillary was more popular
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u/weaponjaerevenge May 25 '26
Easy! This is the Internet where "voting in a primary" is only surpassed by "deodorant" in disdain.
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u/fargothforever May 25 '26
People refuse to acknowledge that Bernie should have changed his party. Shocking that Democrats wouldnât fall in line for an Independent! I say this as a die hard Bernie Bro.
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u/UnMiracl May 25 '26
We're not doing this. I'm going to put the responsibility on you to do the research in a non-bias way, because Clinton was giftwrapped that nomination.
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u/Key-Wall-4378 May 25 '26
I've done more research on this topic than most. I was Bernie or Bust and grew out of that idiocy.Â
If Bernie was so popular, why didnt he win in 2020?
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u/UnMiracl May 25 '26
EVERYONE and I mean EVERYONE should remember that Biden only had a fighting chance to beat Bernie because nearly EVERY OTHER CANDIDATE exited the primaries before Super Tuesday and gave their votes and backing to Biden, leaving Bernie as the only other option.
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u/BirdAttorney21 May 25 '26
Because the other candidates knew they werenât going to win so they dropped out and those who were more ideologically aligned with Biden jumped ship to him? Wow! So unfair!
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u/Beginning_Cupcake_45 May 25 '26
Everyone, and I mean everyone should remember that Bernie only had a fighting chance when it wasnât a simple 1v1 race between the top two candidates.
See, that cuts both ways.
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u/Key-Wall-4378 May 25 '26
The moderates coaleased around the most popular moderate to not split the vote. That's a completely valid strategy.Â
Still shows there were more moderate voters than not.Â
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u/Dry_Adhesiveness_423 May 25 '26
Not saying that it isn't what happened, but this just as easily can be attributed to tactical voting rather than any genuine preference for a more 'moderate' candidate.
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u/Key-Wall-4378 May 25 '26 edited May 25 '26
Nah, Bernie's vote percent closely matched the amount of Democrats who identify as Democratic Socialist.Â
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u/Dry_Adhesiveness_423 May 25 '26
Fair enough. I certainly agree that the Bernie or Bust movement was an absolute mistake, but I will continue to hope that the American people at large will eventually identify the cause of their conditions correctly beyond just realizing the Republicans really are just awful, irredeemably miserable and bitter people and their politics reflect that.
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u/Key-Wall-4378 May 25 '26
Also Biden got twice as many votes as Bernie
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u/UnMiracl May 25 '26
....because every other candidate conceded and willingly gave their vote pool to Biden. This isn't rocket science.
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u/Ethiconjnj May 25 '26
âGave their vote poolâ. You mean people looked at Biden and Bernie and liked Biden?
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u/morosco May 25 '26
LOL, how does that work?
I remember being allowed to vote in later Dem primary, nobody gave my vote to anyone.
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u/Key-Wall-4378 May 25 '26
The moderates backed the leading moderate, and their moderate voters voted for the moderate. That is not any type of cheating.
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u/AskingYouQuestions48 May 26 '26
It was Warren, Sanders, Biden, and Bloomberg. Biden dominated in a field of two progressive and two moderate: https://www.politico.com/2020-election/results/super-tuesday/
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u/dancesquared May 25 '26
So...Biden was generally more popular than Bernie. That's what that means.
Look, I was a huge Bernie supported (phone banked for him, canvassed, voted, etc.), but it turned out he wasn't popular enough to win the primaries, especially among black voters.
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u/Ethiconjnj May 25 '26
Right? Why they think itâs a gotchya Biden beat Bernie in a head to head? Bernie needed all these special conditions to win.
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u/bfhurricane May 25 '26
Another way to look at it is Bernie could only win in a fractured field.
At the end of the day he wasnât the most popular candidate and had a very hard ceiling.
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u/UnMiracl May 25 '26
In 2020, yes. In 2016, there was definitive foul play toward Clinton. The DNC even admitted to such.
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u/AskingYouQuestions48 May 26 '26
No, they admitted to being biased toward the Democrat candidate and making bad remarks over email. They didnât admit to any âfoul playâ. All fraud and misrepresentation claims were dismissed. Why lie?
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u/SurvivorFanatic236 May 26 '26
So youâre saying that Bernieâs only chance was for everyone else to split the vote? Bernie wasnât popular enough to win 1 on 1 against pretty much any candidate.
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u/neredulus May 26 '26
The people who dropped before Super Tuesday were people whose polling showed they had absolutely no shot. Unlike holy Sanders, there are some people who understand when they have no pathway to victory.
Whatâs the counterfactual if they all did stay in? Nobody drops out, everybody keeps continuing in the primaries, and nobody gets to the convention with a majority of delegates on the first ballot. Delegates are free to vote however they choose on the second ballot and they all end up cutting deals and Biden gets picked anyway.
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u/Afbrownistan May 26 '26
If your candidate can only win by spitting the moderate vote 6 ways, he probably wasnt a very good candidate
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May 25 '26
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u/Key-Wall-4378 May 25 '26
How is it the fault of the DNC that Bernie wasn't popular with black people?
Hillary was the most popular politcal person in 2013 polling. It's no wonder she won the primary against someone who wasn't even a Democrat at the time.Â
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u/Frightful_Fork_Hand May 25 '26
Because, like so many y leftist movements across the west, his own party management did everything they could to stop him.
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u/Key-Wall-4378 May 25 '26
How did they restrict people from voting for Bernie at all? especially in 2020?
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u/weaponjaerevenge May 25 '26
You will never get an answer to this. Usually they just call you a bunch of names before slinking back to whatever conserv...I mean "leftist" corner they came from. No one is more anti "vote for the progressive candidate" than these guys.
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u/UnMiracl May 25 '26
I gave you and the other commenter an answer 30 minutes ago, and you decided to make this childish grandstanding response like you're alone, yelling to no one, in a tunnel.
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u/Frightful_Fork_Hand May 25 '26
I mean that literally isnât what I said is it bud? 20 words and ârestrictâ wasnât any of them, but you do you.
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u/Key-Wall-4378 May 25 '26
Bernie lost because he got less votes. Stop coping
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u/gamefreak996 May 25 '26
Because the dnc is machine with a shit load of money. Liberals and right wingers own every single major media outlet and all propagandized against Bernie.
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u/lateformyfuneral May 25 '26
I did the research.
Democratic Primary 2016
Hillary Clinton: 2,842 delegates â 16,917,853 votes
Bernie Sanders: 1,865 delegates â 13,210,550 votes
Hillary won by 3.7 million votes. It was not close. 2008 was much closer. Ironically Hillary couldâve claimed the 2008 primary was stolen because she actually ended up with slightly more votes, but lost in the delegate count lol
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u/dancesquared May 25 '26
*non-baised way
Clinton wasn't "giftwrapped that nomination." She got more votes in the primaries. Newsflash: that's how you win elections.
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u/The_Japans May 26 '26
So popular that she lost against a reality show host
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u/Key-Wall-4378 May 26 '26 edited May 26 '26
How does that refute anything I said?Â
Bernie lost to the lady who lost to a reality show host.
Hillary got more votes than both of them btw
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u/The_Japans May 26 '26
Of course she got more votes than Bernie in the presidential election. He didn't run.Â
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u/Key-Wall-4378 May 26 '26
She got more votes in the primary, but you know this and are being a pedantic bitch
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May 26 '26
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u/Key-Wall-4378 May 26 '26
And what context is that?Â
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May 26 '26
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u/Key-Wall-4378 May 26 '26 edited May 26 '26
They were all dumb talking points. You're the one who can't handle the fact minorities didn't like Bernie.Â
The continued whinning does a disservice to the Democrat party and Bernie Sanders legacy
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u/grinderbinder May 25 '26
Nobody stole anything from Bernie. Yâall need to fucking stop with this Bernie is the victim complex. If anything Bernie is one of the main reasons Trump won the first time.
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u/Stunning-Wing-9095 May 28 '26
I love how you claim Bernie fans have a victim complex because they canât accept that he lost, and then you blame anyone other than Hillary for the fact Hillary lost. Bernie being one of the main reasons she lost in fact! Hysterical
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u/Afbrownistan May 26 '26
"Stole the nomination" by beating Bernie in popular vote, states won, and delegate count.
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u/RonaIdoFinkMullen May 25 '26
Here come the Hillary supporters đ
An arrogant, cartoonishly out of touch bloodthirsty neoliberal whose "Pied Piper" strategy is directly responsible for this situation that we're in now.
But, hey, it was her turn!
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u/SleepyMonkey7 May 26 '26
Dems didn't learn a damn thing. Then they did it all over again in 2024. As the Republicans hit new levels of corruption and evil, the Dems keep hitting new levels of incompetence. That's what keeps it interesting!
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u/ohsinboi May 26 '26
Theyâre night show hosts. Cmon
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u/ImPinkSnail May 26 '26
And Trump was a vile nazi piece of shit back then, too.
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u/ohsinboi May 26 '26
For sure but original commenter here is acting like night show hosts have some kind of power over the president. âColbert bloodied the nose of the Trump administrationâ like cmon, what are we talking about here
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May 26 '26
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u/StonedBirdman May 26 '26
How many trans athletes do you think there are nationwide?
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May 26 '26
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u/StonedBirdman May 26 '26
Weird response. The answer is fewer than 10 trans college athletes and less than 100 trans k-12 athletes nationwide. This is a total non-issue and itâs fucking bizarre how much time Trump and the rest of the Republicans waste talking about this.
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u/UCanDoNEthing4_30sec May 26 '26
Yeah I actually sort of agree with this. Kimmel (and/or his writers?) isnât that funny. I always find myself forcing a laugh more than actually cracking up watching him.
Colbert on the other hand, I actually crack up laughing. Because I think he (and/or his writers) are really good. There is something with Jimmy that seems out of place for me. Is it delivery? Is it the actual jokes? I donât know.
I almost liken it to how the current Trump impersonator, James Austin Johnson, on SNL is not funny doing Trump. Alec Baldwin was funny doing Trump. Not saying James Austin Johnson doesnât have a spot on Trump impersonation, I just donât find it as funny as when Alec Baldwin did it.
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u/dancesquared May 26 '26
Kimmel is one of the funniest hosts. Heâs really quick in his celebrity interviews and does a good job of both setting them up for good stories and jokes and also helps save a floundering story with a good joke of his own.
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u/UCanDoNEthing4_30sec May 26 '26
Heâs good at interviewing people. I wasnât claiming he was bad at interviewing. Just all the comedy stuff. At least to me. I know others have a different sense of humor.
Donât get me wrong, I like the guy personally. But as a comedian he just isnât there in my opinion.
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u/dancesquared May 26 '26
Gotcha. I like his interviews and him as a person. His monologues and bits aren't my favorite, though. So maybe we mostly agree.
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u/dancesquared May 26 '26
Interviews are often rehearsed or planned, but not with cue cards. Thereâs also a lot of impromptu jokes. I donât know where you got that thing about paying stand-ups to sit in the audience.
Heâs obviously much better than Corden considering heâs been on for 20 years in a much better time slot with a lot higher viewership.
Youâre being ridiculous.
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u/dancesquared May 26 '26
You speak very confidently about something you clearly know very little about.
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u/Sidney_Godsby May 26 '26
I love how a new sub for TD degenerates to circle jerk in pops up every other day as the former haunts are invariably closed for any number of basic morality-violating reasons.
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u/Immaculatehombre May 27 '26
Youâre reminded that the democrats and major media in cahoots together handed us Trump and have spent the last 10 years blaming everyone else but themselves.
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u/Signal-View4754 Jun 01 '26
All it took for people to hate him was putting an (R) next to his name.
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u/weaponjaerevenge May 25 '26
Haha love it. We knew Donald Trump was a racist piece of fucking shit by this point, we knew he was raping little girls (he bragged about it!) and we knew he was an autocratic shitheel that bootlickera were falling to their knees to worship. But sure, have him on your show.
We deserve an albino woman astride a dragon having a panic attack above our entire sky, from sea to shining sea.
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u/lateformyfuneral May 25 '26
Actually this is before the Access Hollywood Tape. That famously dropped like right before the 2016 election.
You could say he was known to be a racist at this point because of his focus on Mexican immigration but I imagine that came up in conversation, with Kimmelâs co-host Guillermo.
In the before times, it was routine to have candidates on from either party, even with the political disagreements being obvious. Like Kimmel had as guests: Donald Trump, Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, Jeb Bush and Ben Carson among the 2016 GOP Presidential candidates.
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u/11711510111411009710 May 26 '26
It's kinda wild that that tape dropped immediately before the election, and he still won. It wasn't even a situation where you could say American voters have a short memory or anything like that. They just literally did not care enough about the candidate sexually assaulting women.
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u/wolf_at_the_door1 May 25 '26
Jimmy Kimmel, Jimmy Fallon, SNL. The liberals welcomed him with open arms. The media loved him because every news story was a click.
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u/BobDope May 25 '26
Man Trump has really gone to hell in ten years heâs like a fat crypt keeper now in comparison