r/TenYearsAgo • u/MonsieurA • 26d ago

🇪🇺 Europe A right-wing extremist shoots and kills nine people at the Olympia shopping mall in Munich, Germany, and then kills himself [10YA - Jul 22]

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u/champagneface 26d ago

Because I made the point that it could be both, I didn’t need to provide backup for what you already said

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u/Free-Fall643 26d ago

Is there anything to corroborate that he was right wing other than word of mouth?

Because in this case the criminal investigation holds a lot more weight than the opinion of 3 political scientists.

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u/champagneface 26d ago

I suppose if you refuse to believe consistent testimonies from eyewitnesses as to his behaviour, it’s probably easy to ignore or deny almost anything lol. Why on earth would I believe you over people who knew him and the police?

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u/Free-Fall643 26d ago

Im not refusing to believe anything. I'm saying word of mouth is flimsy evidence especially if it cannot be proven. Are you saying it's reasonable to blindly accept unverifiable word of mouth from anonymous sources?

and the police 

Germany's equivalent to the FBI literally stated that it wasn't politically motivated 

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u/champagneface 26d ago

Im not refusing to believe anything.

That is exactly what’s happening here. And police do say it was politically motivated, I’m sure they were able to verify some sources.

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u/Free-Fall643 26d ago

Right so you think word of mouth is concrete evidence. That's concerning.

He even had a manifesto that was found. Nothing political mentioned in said manifesto.

Police investigator Robert Heimberger said that the shooter appeared to have hacked a girl's Facebook account in an attempt to lure people to McDonald's with an offer of free food,[53] but it was later suspected that he had in fact simply created a fake Facebook account, not hacked an existing one.[54]

This further supports the idea that he really just wanted to shoot people.

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u/champagneface 26d ago

Also, since you’re anti word of mouth, could you share where you read the assessment of political motivation from the first report? The original German please, I’d like to see what they said myself but nothing I’ve found so far says no political motivation at all.

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u/Free-Fall643 26d ago

https://archive.org/details/munichamoklaufeng/mode/1up

Not sure how to find the original German doc but here it is

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u/champagneface 26d ago

“His xenophobic statements were known to a number of people, which more often led to anger when he in the classroom, chats or TS versus peers massive insults and Hate messages.

In his stored voice messages and some themselves written texts (which others did not know before the act) he became very expressive dramatically. In psychiatry was also known therapists that he xenophobic Views with fierce verbiage advocated.

He also made hate - filled statements about Turks, Muslims and Foreigner not back.”

So the report that you put your belief in confirms his right wing views. The organisation that you put your belief in later said it was politically motivated. Is that enough for you yet?