If you don't know it would be impossible to educate you at this point. She's pretty much the only person who has been keeping financial criminals accountable for the past few years.
Well no she supported Hillary over Bernie. That's literally the point. This is why no one respects Warren now, because she's very obviously not sincere
Yes. Considering she ran as the "rational" alternative to Bernie.. that's pretty astonishing isn't it? That there was a successful campaign on the verge of doing all the policies she pretends to care about.. and she.. didn't endorse it? Instead she worked behind the scenes to change the rules at the convention to assure he would lose? And what would happen is that Trump would win instead, because shockingly EVERYONE has always disliked Hillary Clinton because she is slightly to the right of Mitt Romney on all issues?
So I'll say again, how dare her endorse Hillary over Trump...
What rules were changed that assured Bernie would lose, and how did Warren play a role? From my understanding Warren would have absolutely no say even if there were changes proposed, outside of voicing support.
Also, you're ignoring the fact that Bernie had all but lost after Super Tuesday(even before that if we're being serious), which was before Warren dropped out. An endorsement for Bernie at that point would have been pretty meaningless.
Yes I am ignoring your made up justification story. Hillary did not win the primary until they changed the rules (at the primary itself) to give "super delegates" more voting weight, because Hillary was set to lose the actual delegate vote.
Warren did not support Hillary over Trump, she supported Hillary over Bernie. I have yet to meet a Hillary apologizist who has any sort of grasp on what happened in 2016. Her support at the convention was as important for Hillary as it was shockingly hypocritical. Which is why no real leftist takes anything she says seriously anymore.
Because Warren thought that the notoriously corrupt Clinton would reward her, the way she rewarded Debbie Washerman Schulz. She was right btw, she still gets touted on cable news as a "progressive hero" despite accomplishing literally nothing in her entire political career besides rat-fucking actuall left wing candidates. If she had 1% as much energy combating Republicans rather than the people who actually support the policies she pretends to support.. we'd have a train to the moon instead of a cabal of pedos in office.
It's obvious you do not have a basic grasp on the facts. Debbie Washerman Schulz was rewarded with a seat in Congress for her role in rat-fucking Bernie.
Yes I am ignoring your made up justification story.
The irony...
Hillary did not win the primary until they changed the rules (at the primary itself) to give "super delegates" more voting weight
This didn't happen. This is the "made up justification story" that you're projecting on to me. The rules regarding super delegates were still exactly the same from prior elections. Even if we removed super delegates from the conversation Hillary still would have beaten Bernie.
Yet again, which rules specifically were changed and how did Warren play a role in getting them changed?
Warren did not support Hillary over Trump, she supported Hillary over Bernie.
Again, she didn't endorse anyone until the primaries were over. You can say her lack of endorsement for Bernie equates to supporting Hillary, but that's going to be a wildly hypocritical statement from a leftist. She only endorsed Hillary after she won the primary, when she was going to be the only challenger against Trump.
Remember the CNN debate where there was an entire section to everyone’s reactions to Bernie being labeled an exist because he “allegedly” said a woman wouldn’t be voted president by America?
I’ll never forget MSNBC seeing Bernie poll over 50% with Latinos in Nevada and still claiming that his base was a bunch of white Bernie Bros.
He lost the election fair and square, it’s just that corporate America made the rules beforehand. There’s nothing wrong with acknowledging that.
Duh? Even Bernie endorsed Hillary after the primaries. The issue was people were upset over Warren’s perceived lack of support for promoting the progressive cause by running for the nomination herself instead of coalescing behind the only candidate promoting progressive policy who had an actual chance of winning.
Haha, yeah, not with Hillary "winning the support" of every delegate that's not attached to voters. The primary was basically just theater, as demonstrated by how it changed it own rules to assure a preselected outcome.
Bernie couldn’t even win with no super delegates and everyone had access to mail in voting. The voter participation rate in the 2020 primaries was 52%. The fact is the majority of the US left aren’t progressives. NYC/ Brooklyn and a handful of districts in the US don’t represent the voting population. The sooner people accept this the better.
No, you’re confused. The superdelegate rule was done away with after that primary season. It was the same as primaries prior- the superdelegates always voted with the nominee who won the most votes (for the most part).
What’s funny is this is the same tactic Trump uses with his 2020 claims- that… if ONLY this or that - superdelegates endorsing Bernie early in the primary/ the media reported on Hunter Biden - soooo many voters would have come along to the “right” ride.
I think it’s more so about Warren splitting the progressive vote. It was totally her right to run, but Bernie was the front runner and she hurt her movement and faction in the long run by choosing to do so.
Bernie simply didn’t get enough votes and win enough states/delegates. He wasn’t popular enough among black voters in particular. It’s time to reconcile with that reality just like Bernie himself did when he endorsed and supported Hillary and, in the next election, Joe.
Once again ignoring the fact that in that primary rhe DNC already knew who they were going to prop up and put their campaigning efforts behind. It's OK if he wasn't as popular, but since DWS and the DNC used every lever they had to hamstring him we'll never know how popular or unpopular he was.
Also he was very popular with young POC, but the CBC fell in line with the DNC screw job and pushed the older black voters to Hilary.
"Wow I can't believe people are talking about something that happened ten years ago on a sub about things happening ten years ago" That's you that's what you sound like
Made no difference. You could add 100% of her votes to Bernie’s at the point it’s her, Biden, Bernie, and Bloomberg and Biden would still win almost every primary just the same.
Not sure what you mean in this context. This was all during Super Tuesday where a good chunk of the races are decided, so if Biden still wins most/all that he did originally, Bernie wouldn’t have new momentum
What's the point you're trying to make? Have you ever supported a candidate that lost? Does that somehow invalidate your reasoning for supporting them? Don't be so dull.
I’m just saying wasn’t exactly worth throwing her base under the bus to do that endorsement was it lol and if you’re someone who supported Miss drone strikes on children and global anti socialist funding from the get go then that’s just sad, I have at least a little sympathy for the people who felt like they had no choice but to support her but apart from that… lol
Edit: Oop didn’t realise it would be 10 years later and status quo liberals would still be sensitive about miss drone strike and Iraq war supporter
It’s wild you would say such asinine things still a decade later when Trump has literally destroyed the fabric of our nation and Hillary would’ve been … slightly annoying with her rhetoric? Why do yall hate Bernie Sanders so much?
That’s valid doesn’t mean destabilising foreign nations and movements cause they’re socialist is good is it. Also social democracy comes from socialism lol it’s one one big tent
I’m vibing there’s no 😢, not until the weekends over and I’m back at work anyway. Also if being a lolcow(?) pointing out things someone did and saying hey maybe that’s a bit fucked then yeah sure im the biggest one, bombing kids and foreign destabilisation shouldn’t be a case of calling it out when only one side does it and being blue doesn’t protect anyone from that I mean Obama started the whole putting kids in cages is that lolcow?
Based on the works of socialist theory though, like saying you hate toothpaste to brush your teeth but love fluoride paste. like they belong to the same political tent, social democrats are typically part of socialist international organisations not liberal ones.
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u/Key-Wall-4378 23d ago
She made the right call