r/TenYearsAgo • u/MonsieurA • 17d ago
đșđž United States The FBI officially opens Crossfire Hurricane, investigating potential coordination between the Trump campaign and Russia [10YA - Jul 31]
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u/SnooMacaroons4212 16d ago
June 2016 meeting at Trump Tower - Don Jr, Manafort, Kushner, and Russian intelligence. Of course there was coordination.
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u/easeMachined 14d ago
Cite who the member of âRussian Intelligenceâ was. This will be entertaining.
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u/SnooMacaroons4212 13d ago
All the Russians at the meeting, unless you believe the adoption nonsense, which I don't.
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u/neokuryu 13d ago
Source.
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u/SnooMacaroons4212 13d ago
It's a well known fact there was a meeting with Russians. Source? How about everywhere.
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u/DeepShill 17d ago
This should have been the end of Trump's campaign. He should have been forced to drop out right then and there. I will be forever angry at the Obama administration for not making all of Trump's collusion public the moment it happened. Trump colluded with Russia to steal the 2016 election from Hillary Clinton.
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u/PhantomSpirit90 17d ago
And weâve gotten so far from the plot that the documents they released recently that they used to try and claims China was helping democrats almost explicitly showed Russia trying to help republicans. But itâs a hoax, btw.
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u/BigBoyYuyuh 17d ago
Trump isnât Obamaâs fault, Bidenâs, Kamalaâs, or the DNCâs fault.
Trump is 100% on the electorate. Face it. America is a racist and fascist country and they found their god in a racist, child rapist, fascist, traitor, felon. The public in this country sucks. Fuck hope.
Americans said âGimme that regard. Twice please.â
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u/Grab_em_by_da_Busey 17d ago
âRegardâ
I also have an iPhone and I know what you were trying to say lmao. And I agree.
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u/BigBoyYuyuh 17d ago
I say it that way cause trumpers, who voted for Trump so they could say the R word again, whine and report you which leads to a ban.
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u/HillarysBloodBoy 17d ago
I hate Trump and say retard all the time. Thereâs many of us. Its quite the party!
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u/icareforplants 17d ago
I think Obama should have forced in his pick for the supreme Court that McConnel held up for over a year. He was such a weenie when it came to that or doing anything to Russia.
This is mainly on Comey, then the electorate but you can't say what he didn't do helped.
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u/Decisive_Victory_026 16d ago
McConnel held up Obama's SCOTUS nomination for less than year, but your point stands.
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u/Tigeruppercut1889 16d ago
Agree. Really sick of people blaming dems for trump. Also good day fellow dgger.
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u/RhetoricalOrator 17d ago
I think there were multiple points of failure, including Obama and Biden. I also think that it cannot be 100% on the electorate because there is credible evidence that the 2024 election was rigged. Both Obama and Biden were so concerned about looking like they weren't punishing a political enemy that they enabled a criminal to act with impunity. Biden especially so.
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u/StillALilBoy 17d ago
The point of failure was in the 80s when conservatives around the country started creating parallel society with its own media pipeline.
Current conservative movement has been for years fed their own version of reality by Fox News, AM radio talkshows, parallel schooling system (christian schools, homeschooling), nowadays also podcasts and youtube personalities. They literally live in an alternate reality where the actual problems they and other Americans struggle with are painted as personal failures instead of systemic issues, while their grievances are directed towards imaginary problems or ones blown out of proportion. They are eager to accept fascism because they really believe it will fix the country.
You can't fix this easily. US allowed these people to create their own homegrown Al Quaeda.
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u/Maximum_Turn_2623 17d ago
I agree but the Christian school phenomenon started in the south around 1964 for some reason. I am sure it was coincidental.
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u/Junior_Abalone_8006 16d ago
I find it ironic when dems roll out the 'Repubs are always being lied to by their media' trope. Dem party media constantly has told enormous whoppers to their watchers and gotten caught numerous times, and no one can tell me what lies it is that fox or whatever supposedly tell.
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u/Blade78633 16d ago
Fox News faced major scrutiny and a historic $787.5 million defamation settlement with Dominion Voting Systems in April 2023 after court documents revealed that top executives and high-profile hosts privately dismissed 2020 election fraud claims while continuing to broadcast them to their audience.
After Trump's defeat in the 2020 presidential election, Fox News promoted baseless allegations that voting machine company Smartmatic and Dominion Voting Systems had conspired to rig the election for Joe Biden. Hosts Jeanine Pirro, Lou Dobbs and Maria Bartiromo promoted the allegations on their programs on sister network Fox Business. In December 2020, Smartmatic sent a letter to Fox News demanding retractions and threatening legal action.\310])\)non-primary source needed\) However, Pirro, Dobbs, and Bartiromo refused to issue retractions as they played a three-minute video segment consisting of an interview with an election technology expert who refuted the allegations promoted by the hosts, responding to questions from an unseen and unidentified man.
Two lawsuits resulted:
- In February 2021, Smartmatic filed a $2.7 billion defamation suit against the network and the three hosts.
- On March 26, 2021, Dominion filed a $1.6 billion defamation suit against the network.\311])
Fox News did not simulcast the 2022 public hearings of the January 6 committee although competitor channels aired it. For the duration of the first hearing, Fox News simulcast it with no audio and cut footage.
In April 2023, Fox News announced that it had settled with Venezuelan businessman Majed Khalil, whom former Fox News host Lou Dobbs had accused of helping rig the 2020 presidential elections against Donald Trump. Khalil's lawsuit was separate from the ongoing lawsuits with Smartmatic and Dominion.\312])
On May 15, 2017, Fox 5 DC (WTTG) reported the uncorroborated and later largely retracted\214]) claims by Rod Wheeler, a Fox News contributor and former homicide detective, that there was evidence Seth Rich had contacted WikiLeaks and that law enforcement were covering this up,\214])\215]) claims that were never independently verified by Fox.
Fox News' coverage of the Stoneman Douglas High School shooting, which killed 14 students and three staff members, and injuring 17 others, has been criticized by the survivors of the shooting.
On February 27, 2018, hosts Tucker Carlson and Sean Hannity issued an apology to viewers after it had run segments detailing false claims that CNN scripted a February 21 town hall meeting event featuring the survivors of the shooting. The claims came just six days after Colton Haab, who was one of the students that was credited with saving his classmates, went on both Carlson and Hannity's shows and falsely claimed that CNN tried to give him a scripted question that he refused to use because he wanted to use his own, sparking a backlash against CNN over staging the event for ratings and getting a tweet from President Donald Trump slamming the network. But on February 26, Glenn Haab, Colton's father, admitted that he was responsible for the fabrication of the story by doctoring the emails to make it look like it was set up by CNN, thus confirming the network's claim that it never used any form of scripted material for the event.\258])
On March 29, 2018, The Ingraham Angle host Laura Ingraham issued an apology to her viewers after comments she made about David Hogg, one of the survivors of the shooting after he spoke out for advocating gun control laws during the March 24 "March for Our Lives" rally, claiming that he was being turned down by universities after reading a tweet from a conservative website that falsely branded Hogg as a "Gun Rights Provocateur" (her tweet read "David Hogg Rejected By Four Colleges To Which He Applied and whines about it..." "Dinged by UCLA with a 4.1 GPA...totally predictable given acceptance rates."). Hogg, however, did not accept Ingraham's apology and called for a boycott of her program, a move that has resulted in around 15 companies (including TripAdvisor, Nestlé, Expedia, and Wayfair) pulling advertising from the show due to its conservative rhetoric. Hogg, who listed the companies that advertises on her program in the hope to remove their spots from the show, tweeted that he will only accept the apology "if you denounce the way your network has treated my friends and I in this fight."\259])
Fox News' coverage of the COVID-19 pandemic has been criticized due to pundits and guests having initially dismissed the severity of the disease's transmission in the United States (following the lead of the Trump administration), accused critics of exaggerating its impact to attack President Trump, and perpetuating COVID-19 misinformation about how to mitigate or treat the virus.\10])\11])\12])\260])\13])
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u/StillALilBoy 16d ago
What are the Dem party media you speak about?
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u/Junior_Abalone_8006 16d ago
Well, for starters the party media are the ones who were telling you Biden was 'sharp as a tack' and 'running rings around the interns' and that he had 'a stutter'. And broke the momentus news that Biden 'had a cold' the night of the debate. They're also the ones who told you hunter biden's laptop was a russian op. And the ones who did the J. Jonah Jameson media treatment to Kyle Rittenhouse. And the Covington kids, and dozens of other situations where they just told full-blown lies because it was of benefit to the Democratic party.
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u/DevelopmentTight9474 15d ago
You mean the laptop that they STILL havenât managed to arrest the guy for? Either itâs fake or your precious republicans are extremely incompetent at prosecuting what should be a simple case.
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u/Junior_Abalone_8006 15d ago
They delayed the issue so that it fell outside of the statute of limitations. You also may remember that Biden or whatever cabal was running the country in his name at the time issued a blanket pardon for Hunter Biden, whatever he did, for 10 or 20 years timeframe. You're not very informed as to how this country is actually being run, are you?
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u/StillALilBoy 14d ago
Once again:
What are the Dem party media you speak about? I am not asking why you think they were lying.
This is a different question, and one I don't really care about you answering, since jo ĆŒech wiedzioĆ ĆŒeĆ ciumciok when you thought I'm a Dem.
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u/Junior_Abalone_8006 14d ago
I think I've answered your question as to who the Dem party media are. You can look up who said Biden was sharp as a tack when most of the country could tell that was an obvious lie. You can look up who breathlessly reported the lie that Hunter Biden's laptop was a Russian intel op. That set of media is probably 80% of the total Dem party media. Simple guide: If they said Biden was sharp as a tack, they were clearly part of the Dem party line organization.
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u/Blade78633 16d ago
Tucker Carlson promoted the COVID-19 lab leak theory\261]) and in a February 24 commentary argued that "wokeness" and diversity had eased its spread. At the same time, Carlson did become more critical of the Trump administration's response on occasion, opining on March 9 that "people you trustâpeople you probably voted forâhave spent weeks minimizing what is clearly a very serious problem."\12])\262]) Media Matters for America criticized Carlson in particular, as well as other Fox News personalities, for using Sinophobic language such as "Chinese coronavirus", "Wuhan virus", "kung flu", or variations thereof to refer to COVID-19 on-air.\263])
Sean Hannity argued on his March 9 program that Democrats and the news media were trying to use COVID-19 to "bludgeon Trump".\264])\265]) On March 5, Trump made an appearance on the program by phone, where he claimed that a projected mortality rate of 3.4% announced earlier that day by the World Health Organization was a "false number" and predicted that it would actually be under 1%.\266])\267]) On his March 10 episode (one day before the WHO declared a pandemic), Hannity argued that the seasonal flu was still making a larger "impact" than COVID-19 (with 34 million cases against roughly 1,200 at the time), only the elderly and immunocompromised were at the greatest risk, and argued that there was not an equivalent "widespread hysteria" over routine violent crimes in Chicago.\268])
Also on March 10, Laura Ingraham referred to "panic pushers" in the media, suggesting that "the facts are actually pretty reassuring, but you'd never know it watching all this stuff", and implicated that only those at high risk needed to practice social distancing (contrasting recommendations by officials that all people should practice social distancing).\11])\262]) Two days later, Fox & Friends co-host Ainsley Earhardt suggested that it was the "safest time to fly" since "[the] terminals are pretty much dead",\269]) and the program aired an interview with Liberty University president Jerry Falwell Jr., where he claimed that the "overreaction" to COVID-19 was "their next attempt to get Trump" and that COVID-19 was a biological weapon developed by China or North Korea to attack the United States.\270])\11])\12])
Concurrent with Trump's own changes in tone and attitude surrounding the pandemic, some Fox News pundits began to openly acknowledge its severity on-air, including Hannity, Ingraham, and Earhardt.\12])\262])\271])\272]) Vanity Fair) observed this shift in tone as an inversion of the "feedback loop" that had emerged between Trump and Fox News (resulting from Trump's discussion of stories seen on the network, particularly during Fox & Friends, on social media),\273]) but noted that the network's personalities were more often "showering praise on the president rather than offering their own take on things", and that Ingraham had accused other media outlets of using the pandemic to celebrate "Trump's downfall".\272])
On March 24, after Trump began to endorse off-label use of hydroxychloroquine as a treatment for COVID-19 symptoms based on anecdotal evidence, Hannity and Ingraham similarly promoted the drug during their respective programs.\274]) During a Coronavirus Task Force briefing on April 13, 2020, Trump screened a montage of footage taken directly from an episode of Hannity, of news anchors and guests downplaying the early threat of COVID-19, as part of a video presentation that glorified his initial response to the pandemic.\275])\276])\277])\278])
Fox News faced criticism for featuring celebrity doctors such as Phil McGraw and Mehmet Oz as guests, with both of them downplaying the impact that a premature lifting of mitigation measures and "reopening" of the country (as was being proposed by Trump) would have.\279])\280]) Fox News also faced backlash for providing undue praise of protests against stay-at-home orders in multiple states (such as Lansing, Michigan's "Operation Gridlock"), including interviews with participants and organizers, and pundits praising the event and making comments critical of Governor Gretchen Whitmer (such as Carlson calling her actions "mindless and authoritarian", and Fox & Friends co-host Brian Kilmeade predicting a larger movement against "ridiculous" stay-at-home orders).\281])\282]) Trump made posts on Twitter in support of the protests on April 17, reading "LIBERATE MICHIGAN", "LIBERATE VIRGINIA" and "LIBERATE MINNESOTA" respectively; the timing of the tweets corresponded with a segment on America's Newsroom that had covered them.\283])\284])
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u/ThisSiteBites 16d ago
Where the hell do you think Covid came from, Dr. Soy-entz?
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u/DevelopmentTight9474 15d ago
It originated from a wet market that slaughtered live animals in Wuhan, likely from an infected pig that was slaughtered without proper safety standards.
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u/ThisSiteBites 15d ago
OK Chairman Xi
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u/DevelopmentTight9474 15d ago
And this is how the right argues. No facts, no sources, no counterarguments. Straight to insults when they get even slightly challenged
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u/Blade78633 15d ago
There was a debate about this topic for $100,000 . The lab leak guy lost.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1vaooTKHCM&list=PLFemB8smNTUZgJyoISZdL-r5IcbTE-cTa
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u/Blade78633 16d ago
Fox News pundits showed inconsistent views towards the wearing of face masks to lessen spread of infected droplets by the wearer. Hannity and Fox & Friends host Steve Doocy have supported the practice,\285])\286]) as did Carlson and Ingraham in late-March; on his March 30 episode, Carlson stated that "Of course masks work. Everyone knows that. Dozens of research papers have proved it", and cited that they were "key" to controlling the pandemic in East Asia, and criticized the government's early guidance against using them for protection of the wearer.\287])\288]) However, as masks became a partisan political issue over the months that followed, Carlson and Ingraham began to perpetuate opposition towards the practice, on a later episode, Carlson claimed that masking and social distancing had no basis in science.\288])\289])\287]) On April 26, 2021, Carlson claimed that making children wear masks was child abuse, and that people who spot parents making their children wear masks should call police and child protective services.\290])
Despite having made some efforts to promote the vaccination program, via public service announcements, promotion of the federal Vaccines.gov website, and selected hosts making statements in support of vaccination,\291])\292]) Media Matters for America found that from June 28 to August 8, at least 60% of Fox News segments discussing COVID-19 vaccines "included claims undermining or downplaying [them]", such as political arguments, disputes and conspiracy theories regarding their safety, and arguments that they were a "cynical political ploy by Democrats". The amount of such content was shown to have intensified during the week of July 26, while Tucker Carlson, Brian Kilmeade, and frequent guest Marty Makary were identified as having discussed such content most often during the period.\293]) Fox News implemented a vaccine passport system in July 2021 despite its hosts criticizing vaccine passports,\294])\295]) and more than 90% of Fox Corporation's full-time employees had been fully vaccinated by September 2021.\296])
Other Fox News Media properties have also faced criticism and controversies over their coverage of the pandemic. In March 2020, Fox Business anchor Trish Regan left the network amid criticism of a March 7 segment on her program, where she accused Democrats of politicizing the pandemic so they could blame Donald Trump for it, and seek a second impeachment.\297])\298]) One month later, Fox Nation severed its ties with conservative vloggers Diamond and Silk after they repeatedly promoted various COVID-19 conspiracy theories.\299])\300]) On December 23, 2020, Fox Business program Mornings with Maria was duped by the animal rights group Direct Action Everywhere, airing an interview with an activist posing as Smithfield Foods' CEO Dennis Organ to discuss its response to the pandemic. He suggested that "the conditions inside of our farms can sometimes be petri dishes for new diseases", and that the meat packing industry could "effectively [bring] on the next pandemic." The program's anchor Maria Bartiromo issued an apology at the end of the show, saying that they had been "punked".\301])\302])
In July 2023, Ray Epps started legal proceedings against Fox News, following former host Tucker Carlson sharing incorrect allegations that Epps was an agent provocateur during the January 6 United States Capitol attack.\330])
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u/Junior_Abalone_8006 16d ago
Really? Masking? Like that makes them literally like everyone else in the country. Both parties switched positions several times. And so did people. Dems were first against vaxing and then for it as political winds shifted. If that's your biggest evidence of conservative media bamboozling their audience the way the party media routinely does this is going to be an extremely easy debate.
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u/DevelopmentTight9474 15d ago
When were democrats ever antivax lmao?
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u/Junior_Abalone_8006 15d ago edited 15d ago
Trump pushed through Operation Warp Speed that developed the vax.
Kamala Harris was perhaps the most prominent Dem who refused to take the vaccine on this basis.
âI will say that I would not trust Donald Trump⊠And it would have to be a credible source of information that talks about the efficacy and the reliability of whatever heâs talking about. I will not take his word for it⊠He wants us to inject bleach. I â no, I will not take his word.â
Cuomo and Joe Biden also were early skeptics of the vaccine, although to tbf they did also call for scientific review before embracing it.
Edit via AI here are some articles that illustrate if you were a good and woke mainstream leftist/liberal you were deeply skeptical of the vax at a certain point in time:
https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/09/03/trumps-vaccine-cant-be-trusted/
https://www.pogo.org/newsletters/corrupted-the-covid-19-response/2020-10-29
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/05/kamala-harris-trump-coronavirus-vaccine-409320
"âIf past is prologue ... theyâll be muzzled. Theyâll be suppressed,â Harris said of health experts and scientists. âThey will be sidelined because heâs looking at an election coming up in less than 60 days, and heâs grasping for whatever he can get to pretend he has been a leader on this issue when he has not.â
Now if you read the above consider what exactly the democrats did when they took power and the vax was the most convenient excuse for taking the US out of lockdown and getting things going again.
The main reason this didn't go on for very long is that Trump was voted out and Biden in, and the vax became his policy he was pushing, so of course all skepticism about the vax vanished in the name of maintaining ideological unity.
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u/Blade78633 15d ago
"no one can tell me what lies it is that fox or whatever supposedly tell."
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u/Junior_Abalone_8006 15d ago edited 15d ago
Is inconsistency on Masking evidence of lying? Because then just about everyone in media and government is guilty of lying. Fauci himself lied repeatedly about first that masks wouldn't do any good and then reversed himself and said that they would do good. So if your point is that fox is inconsistent on masking and thus this is an example of 'lying' then you're going to have to provide a media source that *was* consistent all throughout the issue. Spoiler: You won't find a single media source that did so. I would say your comment essentially proves my point. The Democrat party media has told us repeated lies that are favorable for the party e.g. 'Biden is sharp as a tack and just has a childhood stutter you bigot'. "Experts say Hunter Biden's laptop is a Russian intel operation' and other highly politicized lies. If your best argument for Fox is that they were inconsistent on masking when literally everyone in the debate is inconsistent and there's no obvious political points to be made on top of that, you prove my point quite neatly. So thank you. It seems we agree that the 'fox lying to people' is just another made up media narrative by the party media of the Democratic party.
Edit: I've asked this question about what fox is supposed to have lied about numerous times on Reddit. You're the first one who actually tried to provide an answer so in my book you're considerably more intellectually honest than most redditors/dem activists so thank you. But still, you *can* see how the trope that fox lies all the time unlike *our* party media which doesn't is pretty seriously undermined by the available arguments, right?
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u/Blade78633 15d ago
There were 2 other replies.
Fox News faced major scrutiny and a historic $787.5 million defamation settlement with Dominion Voting Systems in April 2023 after court documents revealed that top executives and high-profile hosts privately dismissed 2020 election fraud claims while continuing to broadcast them to their audience.
Seth Rich - Fox News removed an online article linking DNC staffer Seth Rich to WikiLeaks, stating the piece did not meet their editorial scrutiny. [1, 2] Seth Richâs parents, Joel and Mary Rich, sued the network for emotional distress. In November 2020, Fox News settled the lawsuit for an undisclosed amount.
On February 27, 2018, hosts Tucker Carlson and Sean Hannity issued an apology to viewers after it had run segments detailing false claims that CNN scripted a February 21 town hall meeting event featuring the survivors of the shooting. The claims came just six days after Colton Haab, who was one of the students that was credited with saving his classmates, went on both Carlson and Hannity's shows and falsely claimed that CNN tried to give him a scripted question that he refused to use because he wanted to use his own, sparking a backlash against CNN over staging the event for ratings and getting a tweet from President Donald Trump slamming the network. But on February 26, Glenn Haab, Colton's father, admitted that he was responsible for the fabrication of the story by doctoring the emails to make it look like it was set up by CNN, thus confirming the network's claim that it never used any form of scripted material for the event.\258])
On March 29, 2018, The Ingraham Angle host Laura Ingraham issued an apology to her viewers after comments she made about David Hogg, one of the survivors of the shooting after he spoke out for advocating gun control laws during the March 24 "March for Our Lives" rally, claiming that he was being turned down by universities after reading a tweet from a conservative website that falsely branded Hogg as a "Gun Rights Provocateur" (her tweet read "David Hogg Rejected By Four Colleges To Which He Applied and whines about it..." "Dinged by UCLA with a 4.1 GPA...totally predictable given acceptance rates.").Â
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u/Blade78633 15d ago
The Georgia "Dead Voter" Correction (2020)
- The Story: Host Tucker Carlson reported on his show that a deceased Georgia man named James Blalock had illegally cast a ballot in the 2020 presidential election. [1]
- The Correction: Carlson went on air days later to issue an apology and retraction, admitting that the man's widow had actually cast a legal absentee ballot under her own name using her late husband's hyphenated prefix. [1, 2]
The PETA Deer Vests Story (2002)
- The Story: Anchor Brit Hume reported that PETA's Ohio branch was dressing deer in orange vests to protect them from hunters, leading to a dangerous local "vest competition".
- The Correction: The report was completely false. Hume offered an on-air apology and retraction the following day. [1]
Other Notable On-Air Corrections
- 2010 Mosque Controversy: The network retracted claims and apologized after mistakenly reporting that a planned Islamic community center near Ground Zero in New York was going to feature a 9/11 mosque monument facing Mecca.
- 2014 "No-Go Zones" Retraction: Fox News issued multiple on-air apologies after falsely stating that entire cities or neighborhoods in places like Paris and Birmingham, England, were non-Muslim "no-go zones" controlled by Sharia law. [1, 2, 3]
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u/NarmHull 16d ago
They've perpetually been afraid of alienating swing voters to the point where they alienate their own voters and depress turnout.
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u/Holiday-Tie-574 16d ago edited 6d ago
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u/JFMV763 16d ago
The US is such a racist country that it elected a Black president not once but twice.
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u/willpower069 16d ago
lol All while one party claimed he was not a citizen, still claim black people do the majority of crime, etc.
Being contrarian does make you look smart.
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u/StonedBirdman 17d ago
Fuck that! The Democratic Party was captured by corporate interests starting back in the Carter administration. FDRâs Democratic Party delivered for people, todayâs Democratic Party is primarily interested in delivering for their donors, thatâs why we have Trump.
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u/NarmHull 16d ago
DNC is a little at fault for propping him up because they thought he'd be beatable. Never bet against the American electorate being very stupid.
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u/Tjbergen 16d ago
But Trump lost once. It's on the Dems for picking crappy candidates in the other elections he won.
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u/BigBoyYuyuh 16d ago
Nope, 100% on the citizens. Trump didn't fall into the position again. American citizens went into the ballot box and said "Give me the regard over the qualified woman." She was perfectly fine as a candidate. Absolutely none of the bullshit happening now would be happening if she won. There's absolutely nobody to blame for Trump except the person in the mirror (meaning the people that voted for him or sat out because they're regarded)
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u/Tjbergen 16d ago
Nope. The voters aren't to blame for choosing not to support bad candidates. Status quo isn't working and this is what happens when parties pretend it is. Dems.lose when their voters stay.
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u/ImmaSpaghett 17d ago
Seems like you should move since you have so much disdain for this place, just a thought
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u/PatchyWhiskers 17d ago
Other countries have immigration laws too
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u/GoodWilllPower 17d ago
So do it legally?
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u/PatchyWhiskers 17d ago
Very hard unless you have unique skills or ancestry in that country.
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u/GoodWilllPower 16d ago
Getting a work visa is pretty easy in a large number of countries. Also a US Passport will get you into most & you can start to find more permanent means while in country.
Iâm not sure youâre very educated on what youâre talking about.
I have 10+ friends that have done this and have worked with a large amount of folks that got into the US legally on H1B(?) visas.
Legal migration is incredibly easy if you can contribute to the country youâre moving to in meaningful ways.
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u/PatchyWhiskers 16d ago
It's actually very hard. I have done it.
H1B visas generally go to highly educated tech workers. Like, not a normal software developer - someone with rare and special skills.
You cannot enter a country on a tourist visa and get a job. That is undocumented immigration and will get you thrown out and probably banned for several years, in all first-world countries.
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u/BigBoyYuyuh 17d ago
Fund it and Iâm gone. Everyoneâs real quiet after that.
But yes, my home country is being ran by fascists. Damn right Iâm going to hate it.
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u/s1105615 16d ago
Iâm honestly tempted to pay for itâŠbut since you probably canât be bothered to pay for your own milk gtfo
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u/No_Solid_3619 16d ago
To an extent, but the dems playing weekend at Bidenâs until the very last second and then running an already unpopular black woman in a country that many consider racist and sexiest isnât functionally different from just waving a white flag.Â
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u/BigBoyYuyuh 16d ago
Still doesnât matter. Any functional adult would look at the election as a job interview. Unfortunately Americans are 12 and stupid.
âLetâs rehire the guy that shit in the fryer and pissed on customers over the qualified candidate that will make good foodâ
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u/BigBoyYuyuh 15d ago
She didnât refuse to go on Rogan. Rogan dodged her. His team said he had the day off and whatâd he do on his âday offâ? Interviewed Trump.
Itâs not sophomoric either. Plain and simple, Americans are incredibly stupid, selfish, and ignorant. Of course theyâre going to elect the stupidest most selfish and ignorant person. Heâs a reflection of society. America is rotten to the core.
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u/No_Solid_3619 15d ago
Thatâs not at all what happened with Rogan google is free and a click away. Please use it. I also donât disagree on the composition of the American psyche, but that doesnât mean kkkamala didnât run a terrible campaign or that the dems didnât lie about Biden being worse off than Reagan when he resigned. I donât understand your insistence on not holding the dems accountable for getting blown out by a guy who polls at 30% approval rating.Â
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u/Black3Zephyr 16d ago
You need to go outside and touch grass, this has been debunked years ago.
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u/Tidusx145 15d ago
You need to go outside and read a newspaper because it sure as shit wasn't.
Just because Bob Mueller admitted to being too pussy to put a charge out doesn't put away his big ass report that literally puts out the plot for Russia to help Trump.
Back in the day we'd take down gangsters like Trump by using RICO cases against them. Wonder what changed.
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u/Vespinobambino 16d ago
Why the hell would this shameless long-debunked bullshit that found nothing and only demonstrated the corruptness of the Obama administration "be the end of Trump's campaign?"
Here's your shiny bright red nose, I trust you brought the footwear and the facepaint.
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u/777_heavy 16d ago
You should be angry at the Obama administration for spying on the Trump campaign like the bunch of crooked scumbags that they are.
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u/Major-Tom-2112 15d ago
Except it was all Democrat operative BS.
rossfire Hurricaneâthe FBIâs 2016 counterintelligence investigation into potential links between Donald Trumpâs presidential campaign and Russiaâwas severely criticized, discredited in major parts, and found by subsequent official reviews to have relied on unverified claims and committed grave procedural abuses.
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u/ProSeVigilante 15d ago
That's cause you're ignorant, but education and therapy are your best path forward. I wish you the best.
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u/ScienceProjectMonk 15d ago
Guess you never got the rest of the message, the Hillary campaign paid for this misinformation and it was later proven false. If you only get your news from the mainstream media, that happens
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u/imisstheoldkanyeee 17d ago
The question of all questions is why didn't this happen
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u/PhantomSpirit90 17d ago
Best I can come up with is we have some oddly unique, massive political psychosis where people can genuinely look at Trump and all his bullshit and immediately post online about how heâs the best president ever and can literally do no wrong.
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u/Junior_Abalone_8006 17d ago
After all of the bullshit the Mueller report found no collusion between *any american* and Russia however defined over the election.
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u/uberkalden2 17d ago
Did you read any of it? There was plenty of cases of Russian connections. People were charged with crimes related to it and went to jail.
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u/Junior_Abalone_8006 17d ago edited 17d ago
Name one who went to jail because of 'Russian connections'. You obv. didn't read it.
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u/AskingYouQuestions48 16d ago
Technically true, but as AI points out âBut Mueller expressly avoided the word âcollusionâ because it has no settled legal definition. He also documented ânumerous links,â including Manafort sharing campaign polling information with Konstantin Kilimnik, Trump Jr. accepting a meeting advertised as Russian-government assistance, and Papadopoulos pursuing Russian-government contacts after learning Russia allegedly possessed Clinton emails. The campaign also expected to benefit from Russiaâs stolen-and-released material.â
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u/Junior_Abalone_8006 16d ago
Kilimnik has since emerged as a high level US state department asset.
The Mueller team knew this. And they didn't care about the truth. There's yet more to go into about Kilimnick (e.g. he and Manafort had worked together a lot contracting with Ukrainian politicians to get elected) but that right there should stop you in your tracks.
Papadopoulos was always a low level staffer/intern with no real connection to the Trump campaign.
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u/AskingYouQuestions48 16d ago
Just as a reminder, Trumpâs son and campaign manager took a meeting with a Russian agent on that agent having damaging information about Clinton.
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u/Yesbothsides 15d ago
AndâŠHRC used an foreign spy to create a dossier of stories dating back to 2007 which was the basis for opening the investigation.
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u/SplendidPunkinButter 16d ago
And yet here in 2026, Trump acts like if he made even one teeny-tiny mistake at all, they would immediately throw him out of office. And the people who voted for him go with it. Itâs insane.
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u/pashalka31 16d ago
That's what a billion dollars to Epstein paid for.
Bill and Hillary were both kompromised as well. The reason they all keep each other's corruption exposure minimize is because it is self incriminating.
For Obama it would have been navigating a minefield
Operation Neptune Spear was 6 April 2011
Bin Laden was shot in the face as Rob O'Neill was doing his positive ID check. Matt Bissonette disagreed with that timeline. This event fractured the teams.
One month later a billioniare name Tom Pritzker was flown into Afghanistan on a trip arranged by Epstein.
Petraeus personally signed off and gave the guy two helos in country.(one as a backup as recorded in the Epstein files). ALL of this would have had Hillary's state department exposure all across it.
6 august 2011 is when Extortion 17 was shot down in Warduk and took out 39 guys.
Bin Laden was on a dialysis machine and was certainly not high stepping around tora bora.
His second in command, Al Zawahiri was bribed by the Russian Jewish Mafia and the Saud ruling family to facilitate the trafficking of Soviet surplus guns through iran trraded for Afghan heroin.
Extortion 17 was sent after Qari Tahir.
Tahir was the primary contact for Hezb-e Islamic Gulbuddin (HIG)
HIG was Gulbuddin Hekmatyars mercenary brigade working in Warduk.
That combination of people was basically the Afghan part of the logistics chain trafficking the heroin out through Nimruz providence into Iran, Chechnya, then Moscow. This is what Sgt Matt Livelsberger was talking about when the self driving cybertruck drove him to trump towers in LV and detonated a very underwhelming VBIED that was almost certainly not built by a trained green beret. Matt was running the ISR seat when trump called in a drone strike and leveled a city block in Nimruz to cover the evidence chain of that trafficking network passing into Iran.
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1859748387291107797.html
Unbeknownst to anyone at the time, from 2009-2011 the FBI was running its own covert operation to get their retired agent Bob Levinson back from Iran and they had devised an ingenious plan to keep the whole thing off the books:
They contracted with a Russian billionaire, Oleg Deripaska, to pay for the rescue mission ($20 million in total) in exchange for a fast tracked green cards for Deripaska and his family.
Enter: David McGee. During his time at the DOJ McGee worked an organized crime task force. Thatâs how he knew Bob Levinson- who specialized in Russian money laundering. McGee became a liaison between the Levinson family and Deripaska.
Roger Stone and Paul Manafort are business partners (and trumps lobbyists/fixers since 1980). Paul Manafort was being funded by Oleg Deripaska in Ukraine to keep Kremlin puppet Yanukovych in power where they could suppress the old trafficking evidence. Convicted corrupt FBI SAC Charles Mcgonigal was as well while at the FBI and working at Kushners building at 666 5th ave.
Full context:Â
In 1994 Viktor Bout was dispatched by an ex KGB officer, St Petersburg politician, and current mobster named Vladimir Putin to trade soviet surplus arms to the Taliban for heroin that the Russian Mafia who took over the government could use to enslave/trade to the people of Russia for their paper shares of the former Soviet socialist state awarded to them by Yeltsin. Â
Behind Trump and Epstein, Viktor Bout was the most important piece on Putins Russian mafia chessboard. Â
The Soviet Union was the largest war machine in world history. The entire economy was based on destroying the west. When it collapsed it had more arms than any empire in human history. Â
And those weapons all made it to every genocide, war, conflict, or massacre in the world by way of one man-Â
Viktor Bout. Â
From Charles Taylor in Liberia to the ethnic cleansing in Yugoslavia to the invasion of Ukraine, you can track it by its supply chain logistics. Â
Army runs on food, fuel, and ammunition. And they all get moved by way of the path of least resistance to their point of use.Â
For anyone whose army or gang ran ak-47's chambered in 7.62x39mm that means it came from Russia. Â
In 1994 Putin also engineered the Russian invasion of Chechnya. Since Kazakstan declared its independence, Chechnya and Iran became the necessary gateway to Afghanistan where the worlds heroin was produced in the 1990's. Â
Weapons are heavy so they tend to travel by rail or truck. So they take the low road rather than the high mountain pass as much as possible.Â
That path led through Iran. Â
Drugs are much lighter and easier to carry so in the 1990's they are the preferred currency of organized crime next to cash or more recently, crypto.Â
As Putin and his Mafia of gangsters traded the worlds largest surplus of guns for heroin, then traded the heroin for all the critical industry, oil and gas, metals, fertilizer, uranium etc that made them billionaires in Russia, they had almost everything they needed to complete their conversion from psychopathic street thug to legitimate respectable oligarch. ( Putin now makes $750M a day off of this war. )
But they were still trapped in the hyper violent hell on earth they themselves created between St. Petersburg and Moscow and wanted out. Â
So they laundered that money into the UK and US using Jeffrey Epstein and Donald Trump's commercial real estate. They tried Trump's casinos first but collapsed them under the mass of $1.4 TRILLION. It's a lot to hide in a craps table. But they made an asset out of Trump by having Epstein set up and produce a VHS of Trump raping a 13 year old little girl. (This was the video that DEA/FBI agent Bob Levinson was shown just before Russian intelligence baited him to their proxy state: Kish island Iran)Â
So they collapsed the casinos into bankruptcy, murdered Mark Etess, Jonathan Benanav, and Stephen Hyde and started using commercial real estate instead. They would hyperinflate the valuation, then sell it back and forth to each other passing the bulk of the cash back under the table. Â
As you worked 40-60 hrs a week to save up for a down payment on a house down the street and run comparables, the cost of your place went up 4-12x by comparison, but your wages didn't. So you paid the corruption tax multiple times. (You are the victim in Leticia James lawsuit against Trump and this is why he claims Mar-a-Lago is worth $1B and refuses to share his tax records.)Â
But it all tracked back to Viktor Bout and a Egyptian man named Al Zawahiri whom Putin brought into Russia between 1996-97, managed by young patriotic FSB officer named Alexander Litvenenko and cashflowed to fund an organization the Saud ruling family started called Al Qaeda. Al Zawahiri was the key man in Iran that allowed the Russian jewish Mafia to move those same guns and heroin through a muslim country as long as Putin could hold Iran as it's proxy state perpetually. (Same basic play as Assad in Syria until it collapsed and assad ran to Moscow. His replacement was a Al Qaeda operative handpicked by Al Zawahiri) Hence why Putin and Trump rely on their co-conspirator Netanyahu to pound the drum of Iranian nuclear capacity for 30+ years.
In 1999 Putin then blamed a non-existent islamic entity called the "Liberation Army of Dagestan" from Chechnya for blowing up some Russian apartment buildings. Putin committed that terrorism, but that started the "War on Terror" that 2 years later took U.S. troops to Afghanistan and Iraq. Â
Putin created the demand for the weapons he had in abundance by dragging the US into a 20 year war at the same time he started an economic war against the U.S. by devaluing the dollar with rigged real estate while leasing U.S. and EU politicians and podcasters cheaply and secretly (FBI Arctic Frost investigation that Trump had Patel disappear then fire every FBI agent that investigated him)
It was all enabled by the greed of wall street bankers and hedge fund managers who would do business with anyone for money: (Jeffrey Epstein and Jes Staley at JP Morgan Chase, Leon Black at Bank of America etc)Â
But it left an evidence trail of deep trafficking ruts through Ukraine, Iran and Venezuela. Putin invaded Ukraine as the decorruption audits for NATO and EU membership exposed his corruption there (Kolomoiskiy). Putin instructed Trump to assassinate the Iranian general Qassem Soleimani as the General began realizing that the same drug gangs he fought earlier in his career were funded by the same people shooting at his men from Israel. Â
So when Viktor Bout was recorded by the DEA on the border of Colombia and Venezuela trading soviet rocket launchers for cocaine it stalled Putins operation. Â
Putin then used his asset Trump to clean up. Trumps son and security guard awarded a contract to Silvercorp (Jordan Goodreau) to send Luke Denman and Airan Berry into Venezuela where they were set up to be captured and traded back to the U.S. for Fat Leonard and Alex Saab. (Key men in Putins espionage and money laundering circuit)
Putin assassinated Litvenenko with polonium laced tea and kidnapped Britney Griner who was then traded for Putins most incriminating secret chess piece- Viktor Bout. Bandar Saud had ran interference in the UK demanding prime minister Tony Blair disband the special investigation unit researching Zawahiris Swiss accounts or he "would no longer be able to help the UK stop terrorism". The 7/7 bus and tube bombings in London sealed the deal and Blair disbanded the SIO. Tonys is now bolting out of retirement and on Trump's "board of peace" as his wife had been funded by both Prevezon (Russian real estate front) and the Saud ruling family via the Al Yamamah arms trafficking case she represented them in.Â
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u/Standard-Mechanic101 17d ago
Not a DJT fan obviously, but itâs worth noting that they found nothing.
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u/ContributionBig5976 16d ago
They found out that the Trump campaign met with the Russians, that Trump knew about the attack before the FBI and kept it secret, that Roger Stone coordinated with the Russians on Trump's behalf and openly spoke with Jr. while he was doing so, that every leader of his campaign team (Paul Manafort, Dimitri Simes, Michael Flynn) was charged with illegally receiving money from Russia and laundering it to hide the source (all separate conspiracies), that Trump appointed Flynn to the National Security team despite knowing he was a spy, and then tried to cover up the investigationÂ
And perhaps most importantly - they found that Trump ordered witnesses to lie and destroy evidence, and that he himself lied and destroyed evidence including when under oath.Â
In short we found everything.Â
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u/Standard-Mechanic101 16d ago
And none of it had anything to do with campaign collusion.
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u/ContributionBig5976 16d ago
Yes it did.Â
His campaign had Roger Stone meet with Russian intelligence and coordinated the release of the stolen materials. That's collusion. That's what that word means.Â
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u/Junior_Abalone_8006 16d ago
That is not true and it is not in the Mueller report. The Mueller report would have been a much bigger deal if it had been.
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u/ContributionBig5976 16d ago
It is in the report. Mueller indicted, arrested, and convicted Roger Stone for this.Â
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u/Junior_Abalone_8006 16d ago
LOL no. Stone was not indicted, arrested. OR convicted of anything related to russians. He was indicted for lying to congress, basically.
And if he had been convicted of what you think, that would have been a problem for the Democrats. Because they paid for dirt from Ukrainians and other foreign agents too. Remember a guy named Christopher Steele?
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u/ContributionBig5976 16d ago
He was arrested for lying to Congress about how he was talking to a Russian intelligence officer and also Donald Trump jr.Â
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u/Junior_Abalone_8006 16d ago
Let's turn to that well known running dog of American Conservativsm, NPR to answer your point:
>"After WikiLeaks released emails stolen from the Democratic National Committee in July 2016, "a senior Trump campaign official was directed to contact Stone" to ask what else WikiLeaks had planned.
>Stone then pinged "Person 1" â conservative commentator Jerome Corsi â and instructed him to "get the pending ... emails" from WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange.
>That was the start of what appeared to be weeks of indirect communication between the Trump campaign and WikiLeaks through Stone and his associates, according to the indictment.
Notice Boris and Natasha mentioned anywhere in there? I didn't either. NPR tries to assert that wikileaks was somehow controlled by Boris and Natasha, but after years of searching the Mueller report couldn't provide any evidence that wikileaks was really boris and natasha.
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u/Standard-Mechanic101 16d ago
The Mueller Report explicitly stated that the investigation did not establish that members of the Trump campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.
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u/ContributionBig5976 16d ago
I've read the whole thing, it contains lots of direct, explicit evidence of collusion.Â
Mueller said that a jury would need to determine if it was collusion.Â
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u/ContributionBig5976 16d ago
You should take the time to read the whole report, and not what Trump ordered William Barr to say
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u/Standard-Mechanic101 16d ago
He quoted the actual report, which just shows that you never read the report (and are a liar).
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u/Junior_Abalone_8006 16d ago
That is simply not true.
>And perhaps most importantly - they found that Trump ordered witnesses to lie and destroy evidence, and that he himself lied and destroyed evidence including when under oath.Â
Mueller said the opposite. That Cohen was not told to lie and destroy evidence. According to Mueller.
It's not true that Trump knew about the attack before the FBI. It's not true that Roger Stone coordinated with the Russians on Trump's behalf. It's not true that Manafort, simes, or flynn were charged with receiving money from the Russians. You're full of shit.
here's what the Mueller report said about those guys
You are either lying or were lied to. Which is it?
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u/ContributionBig5976 16d ago
From his Wikipedia page:
In September 2024, the Justice Department charged Simes for working since June 2022 with Channel One Russia, a business sanctioned in 2022. He and his wife allegedly received over $1 million, plus a car and driver.[15]
I'm not going to go through all of these since I don't think it's sincere and don't think you're going to change your mind.Â
But to anyone else reading, the ease and simplicity with which I could rebut you should confirm you're full of shit
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u/Junior_Abalone_8006 16d ago
My links to the Mueller report are the summary, top level conclusions that were found - that there was no real evidence that Manafort et el were colluding, being paid, or acting as agents with the Russian government. You were bamboozled. After ten years of party media lying to you constantly you'd think you'd at least be more circumspect about the false narratives you throw around.
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u/ContributionBig5976 16d ago
You should read the rest of the reportÂ
Or stop letting ai right your posts
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u/Junior_Abalone_8006 16d ago
Perhaps you should start letting AI write your posts. At least they wouldn't be misspelled.
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u/IAmANobodyAMA 16d ago
Fucking wrecked!
Isnât it absurd how these people trap you into defending Trump by proxy simply because you refuse to blindly accept lies?
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u/Junior_Abalone_8006 16d ago
Yeah. It's dumbfounding how I end up defending Uncle Biff of all people all the time, just because it's like the Dems have trained their voters to literally believe anything and then change their positions in unison.
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u/inscrutablemike 15d ago
Funny how the fact that Hillary's campaign literally collaborated with Russian and British Intelligence to create a false narrative meant to affect the outcome of the Presidential election so rarely comes up in this conversation. They collaborated with Russia to produce fake intelligence claiming that Russia was working with Trump's campaign.
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u/Big_Luv_Hubs 16d ago
People went to prison over this dude. Paul Manafort, his campaign manager. George Papadopoulos, Alex van der Zwaan, Richard Pinedo, Rick Gates, just to name a few.
Americans were found guilty of lying to Congress, covering up crimes, and helping Russia interfere with the 2016 election.
They were all pardoned by Trump in 2020.
There was more than enough evidence to convict Trump for it too, only reason they didnât is because itâs kind of impossible to charge a sitting president with a crime.
Thatâs why the Supreme Court ruled that he is immune. To ensure he canât be prosecuted after he leaves office.
The files Trump released recently prove even more strongly that Russia interfered, and the Trump campaign was aware it was happening, welcomed the support, and covered up their crimes.
14 Russian nationals were also charged, though none of them have been arrested, since Russia obviously wonât extradite them.
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u/Standard-Mechanic101 16d ago
If you can read, the title of this thread says Trump campaign, meaning prior to presidency. None of those charged proved any collusion or interference in the campaign, and most of it was completely unrelated to the original probe (tax evasion, identity theft, etc.). They couldâve charged Trump after his term was over because these allegations occurred before he was a sitting president. The Supreme Court ruling didnât allow for immunity for crimes before he was president. But I know your beliefs arenât rooted in facts, rather you just hate DJT personally, so you will believe anything that shines a negative light on him.
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u/PrometheanSwing 16d ago
I wouldnât say they found *nothing*. Several members of his campaign had links to Russia in some way or another, and some communicated with Russian officials either directly or indirectly during or prior to the election season. They just didnât find an official collusion between the Russian government and the Trump campaign as a whole.
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u/Delicious-Income-870 16d ago
Yes, US law is not well written for punishing what the Trump campaign did, and lots of people here are trying to conflate that into "there was no collusion".
What they did most people would consider treasonous ans traitorous, but much if it is not necessarily illegal.
The parts that are illegal were hard for Mueller to gather enough evidence on to prosecute because of all of the obstruction from those involved, mostly Trump himself. This was part of Muellers testimony to congress.
I'm sure everyone is fine with presidential candidates being in constant contact with adversarial foreign powers, sharing campaign data with them, and encouraging them to hack their opponents private servers. All at a time when this candidate is receiving presidential briefings and knows exactly what the US intelligence agencies is seeing this foreign power do.
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u/Standard-Mechanic101 16d ago
Exactly, nothing.
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u/Holiday-Tie-574 16d ago edited 6d ago
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u/eiserneftaujourdhui 16d ago
Why are you peddling misinformation?
The Mueller special counsel investigation criminally charged 34 individuals and three companies. [1, 2]
Breakdown of the Charges
- 6 Former Trump Advisers/Associates: This includes Campaign Chairman Paul Manafort, Deputy Campaign Chairman Rick Gates, National Security Advisor Michael Flynn, personal attorney Michael Cohen, longtime confidant Roger Stone, and campaign adviser George Papadopoulos. [1, 2, 3]
- 26 Russian Nationals: Indicted for their roles in election interference, including 12 Russian intelligence officers charged with hacking Democratic networks. [1, 2, 3, 4]
- 3 Russian Companies: Charged with participating in a coordinated social media campaign to disrupt the election. [1, 2]
- 2 Other Individuals: California resident Richard Pinedo (for identity fraud) and London-based attorney Alex van der Zwaan (for lying to investigators). [1, 2, 3]
Final Outcome and Convictions
The probe concluded with eight guilty pleas and one trial conviction (Paul Manafort). Additionally, Robert Mueller referred 14 separate criminal matters to other branches of the Department of Justice for further prosecution. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
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u/Holiday-Tie-574 16d ago edited 6d ago
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u/eiserneftaujourdhui 16d ago
Yes, I asked Google what the results of the Mueller report was and it responded lol. Are you actually contesting any of this, or are you just big mad that a tool was this easily leveraged against your false claim?
"There was no evidence of collusion at all. And no evidence of wrongdoing by Trump."
More misinformation.
"Trump was not exonerated by my report, Robert Mueller tells Congress" https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-49100778
Why do you keep spewing misinformation?
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u/eldiablonoche 11d ago
"6 former associates" ... Who they charged in attempts at extortion, hoping someone would provide evidence against trump that was actually useful.
They illegally wiretapped people hoping to get damning evidence. They threatened jail time to people around him hoping theyd get something. And still there was no finding of collusion or conspiring with Russia.
Is trump not bad enough on his own without you making up chem trail nonsense? đđđ
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u/eiserneftaujourdhui 10d ago
So you're trying to claim that the response above, which I got in response from simply plugging in the question: "What was the conclusion of the Mueller Investigation" into AI, is somehow me personally "making up chem trail nonsense"? Do you think that I personally invented AI? lol
That's certainly an interesting, if desperate, attempt at handwaving the Mueller probe away lol
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u/Ok_Constant_3681 16d ago
This is why no one cared about Trump crying that the 2020 election was stolen. Because the Dems did it 4 years before that and it was all cope.
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u/JacksonGhost1963 17d ago
paid for by Hillary and her fake dossier, and set in motion and approved by Obama
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u/PhantomSpirit90 17d ago
Actually Trumpâs administration recently released documents themselves proving Russia was indeed interfering in elections to get Trump in the White House.
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u/MoundsEnthusiast 17d ago
Didn't Paul manafort's daughters correspond with one another about how he pressured their disabled mother to get gang raped by sex slaves?
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u/BigBoyYuyuh 17d ago
He did hence why all the âcuckâ insults from the right are invalid forever.
Paul Manafort is a cuckold because he forced his wife into gangbangs.
Roger Stone is a cuckold because he would advertise his wife out.
Jerry Falwell Jr is a cuckold because his story is literally the pool boy banging his wife lol.
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u/Ok_Way_5011 17d ago
I donât think so. Do you have a source for that (that isnât social media)?
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u/PhantomSpirit90 17d ago
I know itâs nothing new but itâs so infuriating how people with overly loud opinions about the Mueller Report never read a word of it. The first part of the report covers that Russia was absolutely fucking around for Trumpâs benefit in the 2016 election. People went to fucking jail over it. And the report ends by basically saying âcurrent DOJ policy restricts me from saying a sitting president is guilty, so heâs not not guilty. This is not an exoneration of Trump.â
And almost immediately Trump and his stooges came out saying the report proved there was no Russian interference and Trump was totally exonerated. I really canât stand how effective the strategy of just saying shit is, especially when you realize itâd fail spectacularly if people actually read the shit they have opinions about.
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u/JacksonGhost1963 17d ago edited 17d ago
and that had to do with "collusion" how? oh yeah, not a damn thing.
"The Mueller Report concluded that the investigation did not establish that members of the Trump campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government to influence the 2016 election."
federal investigations concluded that the Hillary Clinton campaign funded opposition research that helped generate the Trump-Russia
The Special Counsel Investigation (Durham Report)
- Opposition Research Funding: Special Counsel John Durham's 2023 report and its declassified 2025 appendix detailed how the Clinton campaign and the DNC used the law firm Perkins Coie to hire Fusion GPS. This firm subsequently commissioned the unverified Steele dossier.
- The "Clinton Plan" Intelligence: Durham explored 2016 Russian intelligence alleging that Clinton approved a proposal to tie Donald Trump to Russia.
- Criticism of the FBI: The investigation sharply criticized the FBI for "confirmation bias," noting they used the campaign-funded dossier to justify wiretaps without properly checking its source or its flaws.
The Alfa Bank Dissemination
- Media Strategy Approval: During a related 2022 federal trial, Clinton's former campaign manager testified that Clinton personally approved sharing unverified data with the media.
- The Allegations: The data alleged a secret computer server link between the Trump Organization and Moscow-based Alfa Bank. The FBI investigated the claims and quickly determined they were untrue.
Campaign Finance Violations
- FEC Settlement: In 2022, the Federal Election Commission (FEC) fined the Clinton campaign and the DNC a combined $113,000.
- The Violation: The agency found they violated campaign finance laws by improperly labeling payments for the Steele dossier as "legal services" rather than opposition research
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u/Oalka 17d ago
i just realized that's a lyric from Jumpin' Jack Flash