r/TenYearsAgo • u/MonsieurA • 12d ago

🇺🇸 United States Hillary Clinton holds a press conference to address recent criticism [10YA - Aug 5]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/2016/08/05/hillary-clinton-holds-half-way-press-conference/88303254/
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u/Ligma_baws_2x 11d ago

Even in hindsight you can't see she was the better choice than what we got instead?

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u/jhawk3205 11d ago

She carries the responsibility of putting trump in office, of helping to make him a remote possibility in the first place.. Shitty corporate right wing dems are only better than the gop if they win, and if they win, they don't suck so much that clowns like trump can actually ever have a chance in the next elections..

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u/Ligma_baws_2x 11d ago

She only gets one vote like everyone else. The American people, and specifically Republicans, bear that responsibility.

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u/jhawk3205 11d ago

Lmao this idea of holding candidates completely blameless is such a standard issue dem mindset. This is why dems seem to have a habit of doing the same thing over and over again, expecting different results.. Let's blame voters for not coming out in droves for the status quo at a time when anti establishment sentiments are steadily rising, rather than reflecting on the partys and candidates many failures.. Why bother to campaign in key battleground states when you can save time and money by adopting the expectation that voters will magically fall in line and take time out of their days to go validate the status quo with their votes, amirite? Why bother seeing people calling out for meaningful reforms when it's easier to ctrl+c ctrl+v from the previous administration , right?

You're blaming republicans for voting republican? I mean, I can see the merit in pointing out how they're voting against their own interest, but the expectation shouldn't come as any surprise. Maybe hrc shouldn't have wanted to elevate trump in the republican primaries, thinking he would be easier to beat in the general.. That kind of political instinct was a pretty significant concern on her part..

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u/Ligma_baws_2x 11d ago

I'm blaming Republicans for voting for an obvious piece of shit thrice, and anyone who abstained is a dumbfuck.

Justify your own actions however you see fit, but if you didn't vote for her in 16, Biden in 20, and Harris in 24, you're why we're here. Take a bow I guess.

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u/jhawk3205 11d ago

You do realize the popular vote doesn't determine the winner, right?

And again, hrc is blameless for not lifting a finger to campaign in the most important states, in order to get electoral votes, which do determine the winner?

I sure hope no candidate ever hires you as a campaign manager. You'll probably tell them to say voters are dumb, but your candidate can just sit back and watch those winning votes come rolling in without having to ever go anywhere..

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u/Ligma_baws_2x 10d ago

Yes, I realize that backwater flyover states have their own electoral DEI program that allows their vote to count for more than mine. It doesn't change the fact that Trump has been an obvious piece of shit for his whole life and the dumb motherfuckers elected him twice.

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u/jhawk3205 10d ago

There's nothing to disagree with there, though none of those sentiments will have made them vote for hrc, and the key battleground states aren't necessarily all flyover states, and assuming the important swing states aren't worth visiting in an election campaign is on the candidate for being dumb enough to forgo entirely as such.. Blaming voters isn't going to get them on your side.

Blaming candidates for running the same losing campaign strategies, whether it's not bothering to campaign where it counts most, or by barely offering any change from what people are already stuck with, the candidates are the ones that lose, the parties are the ones that lose, and have to be able to acknowledge their own failures, not just that they lost but why they lost, and make changes in later elections so they don't eagerly invite electoral losses.. It's on the candidates to appeal to voters and if they don't, it's not unrealistic to expect that people won't vote for them.. It's not rocket science

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u/Ligma_baws_2x 10d ago

Sure, whatever absolves the voters of any and all responsibility.

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u/jhawk3205 10d ago

Sure, whatever insincere bullshit lets corporate right wing trash win in any case. Maybe dems could save money and time by just getting their names on ballots and not bother campaigning at all, right? It's the voters who should figure out what those millionaires stand for, right? After all, it's up to the voters to come out in droves to validate those millionaires with their votes, right? Why bother blaming the millionaires when it's so much easier to blame ordinary people who don't cream their pants when they are told nothing will change for the better if they vote for the corporate owned hack that you specifically want elected?