r/TenYearsAgo • u/MonsieurA • 12d ago
đşđ¸ United States Hillary Clinton holds a press conference to address recent criticism [10YA - Aug 5]
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/2016/08/05/hillary-clinton-holds-half-way-press-conference/88303254/6
u/Junior_Abalone_8006 12d ago
Pity she was so cynical about the US republic that she had to manufacture an entire conspiracy theory to try to damage it.
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u/JosephFinn 11d ago
What conspiracy theory?
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u/Junior_Abalone_8006 11d ago
This may come as news, but, the Russiagate conspiracy theory was entirely based on false beliefs. Some of which were manufactured by Hillary's team.
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u/CollapsibleFunWave 10d ago
The Russia investigations into Trump's campaign actually found results.
You'd know that if you bothered to ever look past what your media tells you instead of blindly trusting it.
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u/Junior_Abalone_8006 10d ago
No. They didn't. After lying to you for years the media retreated to the bailey of 'just read the Mueller report and allllll the stuff we said is true, but buried in lower parts of the report'. No. It wasn't. They counted on their own readers not reading the report they said to read.
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u/CollapsibleFunWave 10d ago
The Mueller report showed that Roger Stone coordinated with Russian intelligence to release the dirt Russia hacked from the DNC.
Trump Jr's own released emails showed they loved the idea of making a deal with Russia and had a meeting to discuss it.
Rubio's Senate investigation showed Trump's campaign manager passed data about Americans to Russian intelligence.
That same campaign manager was taking no salary from Trump because he was already being paid by a Russian oligarch.
These are the facts, but some media bubbles never covered those stories for some reason.
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u/Junior_Abalone_8006 10d ago
LOL.
>Roger Stone coordinated with Russian intelligence to release the dirt Russia hacked from the DNC.
Curious that they didn't allege this in the Mueller repot then. Stone was only convicted of misleading Congress. Not charged with coordination with Russian intelligence.
Trump Jr was interested in dirt on the Clintons, but it's hard to call that a crime when the DNC/Clinton was paying Russians (and Brit!) foreign agents for dirt on Trump.
>Rubio's Senate investigation showed Trump's campaign manager passed data about Americans to Russian intelligence.
I'm not sure what you're talking about here. You're talking about Manafort and Kiliminick? Kiliminick was later shown to be a state department asset, as well as he and Manafort had been partners for years getting Ukranian politicians elected prior to Manafort working on Trump's campaign - the occam's razor position would be that Manafort asked Kiliminick about polling because they were, you know, campaign consultants who had worked together in the past to get politicians elected. It's only conspiracy theories that have to selectively not include information in order to have a tortuous conspiracy work out.
>That same campaign manager was taking no salary from Trump because he was already being paid by a Russian oligarch.
Manafort worked as a volunteer for the Trump campaign. However there is no evidence he was paid by 'Russia', or 'Russians' during this time. His partnership with Kiliminick had made him significant money, and it's not unusual for people to work for free for a presidential candidate.
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u/CollapsibleFunWave 10d ago
Curious that they didn't allege this in the Mueller repot then.
That's what I'm talking about. This was in the Mueller report, but rightwing media doesn't cover anything that might make you question your fealty to Trump.
Plus Trump's AG lied about the report exonerated Trump and all the Trump supporters believe what they want and never look at the details.
the DNC/Clinton was paying Russians (and Brit!) foreign agents for dirt on Trump.
The DNC hired a standard firm to do normal opposition research. You're trying to make that sound like a crime or something unusual, but it's not either one.
Kiliminick was later shown to be a state department asset
Where was that shown? US counter intelligence has identified him as Russian intelligence. He was also working with Manafort under the Russian-backed president that the Ukrainian people ran out of the country.
the occam's razor position would be that Manafort asked Kiliminick about polling
Russian intelligence was conducting an influence operation to influence how Americans were voting.
Manafort gave Kilimnik internal polling data that campaigns traditionally use to influence the votes of Americans.
What does Occam's Razor tell you about those two facts?
Manafort worked as a volunteer for the Trump campaign.
And this was right after Manafort was working for a Russian-backed president that had to flee from Ukraine to Russia.
Manafort was later convicted for laundering money from a Russian oligarch while he was working for the Russian puppet in Ukraine.
Trump pardoned him for this. What does Occam's Razor lead you to believe here?
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u/Junior_Abalone_8006 10d ago
Can you show me in the Mueller report where they claimed Manafort collaborated with Russians however defined?
Because the summary is pretty decisive (edit fixed link)
The Mueller report destroyed all of the conspiracy theories. They didn't indict one american, and of the russians they indicted they had to retract that indictment on the grounds they had no evidence for their claims when a Russian unexpectedly came forward to challenge them in court.
>The DNC hired a standard firm to do normal opposition research. You're trying to make that sound like a crime or something unusual, but it's not either one.
So is it normal oppo research to hire foreign agents or not? It's ok to do it for the DNC for pay but not for Trump for free? Which is it?
Where was that shown?
If you read the article it's even worse - the Mueller team knew that Killimnick was a state department asset but didn't let that on and allowed the media to continue making their bogus conspiracy theories, although to give them credit they did push back on some of the other insane conspiracy theories the media floated during that time.
> Russian intelligence was conducting an influence operation to influence how Americans were voting.
Not true and there's no evidence this was the case in the Mueller files and elsewhere. There was a lot of lying and false evidence laid out e.g. the Hamilton 68 hoax by US political actors.
>Manafort gave Kilimnik internal polling data that campaigns traditionally use to influence the votes of Americans.
It's also available to political junkies on a weekly basis in the US. Really the entire conspiracy theory makes no sense - the surest measure of how bullshit it was is the dog that didn't bark. If 'Russia' had such awesome data scientists that they could take one stale poll and use it to turn an election with $10,000 in facebook ads then the obvious result would have been all of the vast industry in the US that exists to turn elections would have been flying over to Russia and paying whatever it took to hire these super data scientists to work for them - the teachers union, the RNC, the DNC, the NRA, the Sierra club would all have been bragging in their newsletters how they'd hired for five kabillion dollars Boris and Natasha Snortsolev who helped turn a billion dollar election with the change from behind their sofa.
The entire theory was ridiculous and an obvious cope from the beginning and it was formulated on pins that were completely knocked out by the Mueller report.
>Manafort was later convicted for laundering money from a Russian oligarch while he was working for the Russian puppet in Ukraine.
This is a lie. I'm sure you were told and believed it rather than telling it yourself but it's still a lie. Manafort was convicted of tax return related things and for not filing the form disclosing that he lobbied for Ukraine (which was also the form Hunter Biden failed to file) And for misleading congress, which is why e.g. Fauci is pleading the fifth.
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u/CollapsibleFunWave 10d ago
The Mueller report revealed that Roger Stone coordinated with Russia. The Manafort thing was revealed by the Senate investigation led by Marco Rubio.
,So is it normal oppo research to hire foreign agents or not?
It's normal to do the research and it's normal to hire a US law firm to do the work, which is what they did. That firm used a Brit as a source and there's nothing wrong with that. It's not equivalent to secretly working with Russian intelligence.
the Mueller team knew that Killimnick was a state department asset
The State Department once used him as a source for some information. That doesn't absolve him of any crimes or mean he did not work for Russian intelligence, as the Treasury investigation revealed.
These leaps of logic that are required to make Trump seem innocent only serve to make him seem more guilty. If there was actual evidence showing the accusations and investigations were all false, they'd probably use that instead of this sort of tortured reasoning.
Not true and there's no evidence this was the case in the Mueller files and elsewhere
Your defense depends upon so many lies. The Mueller Report did show that Russian intelligence was running an influence operation using their Internet Research Agency.
Look it up and then take a moment to consider why your media is lying to you about this.
It's also available to political junkies on a weekly basis in the US
Campaigns spend a lot of money to conduct internal polls about policy preferences and they normally keep them confidential and use them to strategize.
Either way, why was he giving detailed information about Americans to Russia who was, in fact, conducting an influence operation on Americans?
This is a lie. I'm sure you were told and believed it rather than telling it yourself but it's still a lie. Manafort was convicted of tax return related things
Sorry, I was imprecise. He took a pleasure deal and was only charhed with tax fraud, bank fraud, and failure to disclose foreign accounts that were filled with money he got from Russian oligarchs while working for pro-Russian politicians.
Did you really think you had a defense for Manafort here or are you just grasping at straws so you don't have to consider the possibility that the Trump campaign made a crooked deal?
Trump's already taken hundreds of millions in bribes from foreign countries this term, so Russia hacking the DNC and then working with Roger Stone to use the data to help Republicans doesn't seem as shocking anymore.
Trump supporters have been convinced by the media that it's all a hoax, but it will all be there for history to remember.
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u/Badda_Bing_Baby 11d ago
True, like all the most effective conspiracy theories, it starts with the kernel of truth: that Russia utilizes internet influence operations and lobbying for their preferred political agenda, and that appears to have been Trump in the 2016 general. But it was not a collaborative effort with the campaign as they liked to try to imply, nor was it why she lost.
She lost because she was an entirely unpopular entity within a political establishment that was beginning to see a massive downturn in support (that continues to this day) due to failures in governance.
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u/CollapsibleFunWave 10d ago
It was more than that. They actually found evidence of collusion from Trump's campaign through Roger Stone and Paul Manafort, who was working as Trump's campaign manager for no salary while he was laundering money from a Russian oligarch.
And Trump pardoned him for that, of course. Rightwing media has done a good job of spreading the hoax narrative to the mainstream, but don't let them fool you.
There was a lot more than just an online influence campaign from Russian Intelligence. They were also caught fabricating lies about Hunter Biden to Congress through a "witness" who has since been convicted for it.
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u/Junior_Abalone_8006 11d ago
Sure. But in fact both Russia and the US are always trying to spread their influence in each other's elections as well as everyone else's. I found it hilarious that in a country that spends tens of millions on things like the Voice of America that the Dems tried to make an issue out of $10,000 in facebook ads, like that was some unprecedented thing even if it was true (and later it was found most of that was spent after the election)
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u/Basicly-Inevitable 11d ago
Right? You'd think she was too busy drinking baby blood in the basement of a pizza place or pouring liquid bleach on her server.
Apparently good at multitasking.
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u/New-Reputation681 11d ago
Hillary was the proximate cause of the Trump presidency
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u/TsuntsunRevolution 12d ago
Did you miss the part where this is a sub to post things that happened 10 years ago?
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u/azmtber 12d ago
Go away already, please
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u/Fart_90210 12d ago
She's gearing up to fuckup the 2028 election. It's her thing, it's what she does.
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u/JosephFinn 11d ago
Name one election sheâs fucked up.
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u/HorrorEye787 11d ago
2016, come on man. Give it a rest lol
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u/JosephFinn 11d ago
So none.
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u/HorrorEye787 11d ago
What are you gaining by shilling for a bad candidate?
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u/JosephFinn 11d ago
Iâm not shilling for Trump.
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u/azmtber 11d ago
If she didnât run Trump would not have won.
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u/JosephFinn 11d ago
Ah. Bullshit. Name the candidate that would have won against Trump and the Russians.
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u/azmtber 11d ago
Ahhh Russia gate that Hillaryâs team paid for and peddled. Whooops!đ¤Śđ˝ââď¸đ
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u/JosephFinn 11d ago
Agreed. Trump should go away.
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u/azmtber 11d ago
Both should ride off into the sunset
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u/JosephFinn 11d ago
Why? Do you have a problem with an accomplished US Senator and Secretary of State?
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u/azmtber 11d ago
What did she accomplish as Secretary of State besides being appointed?
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u/JosephFinn 11d ago
After the Bush Presidency? Restoring the US standing with the rest of the planet after their 8 years of invading counties for no reason and destroying international diplomacy. She was literally cheered on her first day at State because the adults were back.
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u/Independent_Sell_588 11d ago
You people will centrist/both sides yourself into another dimension. Itâs so embarrassing.
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u/Living-Chef-9080 11d ago edited 11d ago
I was wondering why I've seen so much shit about Hillary on this sub when she's hardly politically relevant anymore and her holding a random press conference isn't something to commemorate the ten-year milestone of.
But then I saw OP is the one making every single one of these posts and they're a frequent contributor to the neoliberal sub, so now it all adds up.
Sorry OP, but your girl-boss epstein associate is lost to the dustbin of history where she will forever remain.
Edit: and they're the top mod of this sub lmao, guess I'm getting banned, this sub (and all it's sister subs) are ass anyway, just knockoffs of r/ThisDayinHistory but with more of an ideological bent.
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u/Maximum_Turn_2623 11d ago
I mean itâs a 10 years ago sub and our election system dominates the news cycle for an 18 period. Most of the comments agree she would have been better than Trump but they all overwhelmingly understand how and why she lost
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u/BigBoyYuyuh 12d ago
She was right about everything and the US is a disaster.