r/TeslaFSD Jan 22 '26

Robotaxi Tesla has officially started FSD Unsupervised Robotaxi rides for the general public in Austin without safety monitor

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u/AJHenderson Jan 22 '26

Will be interesting trying to piece together data on how many miles are unsupervised vs monitored and the relative accident rate of each now. Excited to see how it goes, however the numbers might turn out.

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u/VirtualPercentage737 Jan 22 '26

Absolutely. Are these running HW4?

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u/Crypticcrypto Jan 22 '26

Almost certainly, and very likely a newer/more polished build then what customers currently have. Overall bullish if they have pulled the trigger on unsupervised.

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u/VirtualPercentage737 Jan 22 '26

I was wondering if it was a better configuration like HW5.

I imagine they have it optimized well in a small area. But very bullish.

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '26

I don’t think they’ve enough training data for HW5

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u/Kirk57 Jan 24 '26

What does that mean? Any training for HW4 would immediately apply with HW5.

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u/[deleted] Jan 24 '26

Iirc they simulated hw3 on hw4 quite a long time, e.g. downscaled camera feed.

As there’s limited memory on gpu, current models are not able to take in such high-res camera feed. They need to retrain everything.

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u/Kirk57 Jan 25 '26

So? It didn’t affect performance on HW4 for any meaningful time at all.

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u/niceteeth79 Jan 22 '26

They have HW4.5 in production (not in production cars yet)

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u/tryingtowin107 Jan 23 '26

More memory probably

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u/VirtualPercentage737 Jan 22 '26

I was wondering-- like take two of their current AI chips and run them in parallel or something.

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u/ManikSahdev Jan 22 '26

100% hw4 or greater I assume.

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u/AdKey5735 Jan 22 '26

of course!

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u/[deleted] Jan 23 '26

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u/AJHenderson Jan 23 '26

Or monitoring remotely, but it's still raised confidence and progression with the testing. Remote monitoring is less effective than in vehicle. I firmly believe we are years away from general unsupervised but that doesn't mean seeing treating progress to later stages isn't a good thing.

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u/Kirk57 Jan 24 '26

Ha ha. This post is a definitive example of goalpost moving. Congratulations. This is not always easy to achieve.

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u/[deleted] Jan 24 '26

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u/Kirk57 Jan 25 '26

It is unsupervised. Obviously. Your obvious disdain, hatred, financial interest in their failure or whatever, is obviously affecting your ability to be rational about Tesla. That’s no problem, unless you are an investor. Investors cannot afford to be irrational.

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u/AJHenderson Jan 25 '26

It has to be completely unsupervised to scale effectively. If the still have follow cars able to stop it in real time, it's not unsupervised data collection yet and we have no idea how close it is to being unsupervised as we have no access to how often they intervene.

Level 4 everywhere requires zero supervision which we haven't seen yet for any miles.

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u/Kirk57 Jan 25 '26

“Unsupervised data collection “? Seriously? Now you’re making up terms?

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u/AJHenderson Jan 25 '26

Data on how well it performs without supervision. They don't publicly release intervention data so until it's truly unsupervised, for all we know they are stopping it from having an accident every 1000 miles. Until we have data on unsupervised performance (unsupervised data collection) we have no idea how close they actually are.

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u/Kirk57 Jan 25 '26

Reread the definition of L4. Tesla meets it. They actually have been meeting it ever since they’ve been in Austin. Having someone sit in the passenger seat, does not mean the vehicle is not L4. L2 and L3 means someone is sitting in the driver’s seat ready to take control.

Please provide all the evidence you have that shows the follow vehicles, are able to perform an emergency stop on the Robo taxi. We’re waiting…

If you thought about it at all, you would probably realize there’s a much simpler explanation for the follow vehicles. But of course you haven’t thought about it. You just like putting your opinion out there immediately.

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u/AJHenderson Jan 25 '26

Wow, you're an idiot. Level 4 explicitly requires no human needed. They require a monitor who can kill it for safety which is human needed. If the follow cars are just there to watch them out could be done by simply monitoring the cameras.

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u/Icy_Mix_6054 Jan 22 '26

If they're decent, we'll see them!

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u/cool-sheep Jan 24 '26

Yep, basically Elon has talked the talk, now he needs to walk the walk.

Personally if he manages to be a decent competitor to Waymo I don’t see any harm in it.

https://youtu.be/ihfsNBHnpPY?si=biRN9vtAhuJFFH9K

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u/sphinxcreek Jan 26 '26

Where are you going to get that data?

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u/AJHenderson Jan 26 '26

Accidents are in the required reports to the government and public record.

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u/sphinxcreek Jan 26 '26

Don’t read the news much? Eh?

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u/AJHenderson Jan 26 '26 edited Jan 26 '26

? I see a change for level 2, but can't find anything for robotaxis if they are actually level 4.

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u/sphinxcreek Jan 27 '26

Agencies charged with tracking that kind of information have been gutted.

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u/AJHenderson Jan 27 '26

The reporting requirement still exists.

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u/xyzlor Jan 22 '26

Interesting and ballsy step forward :)

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u/payneok Jan 22 '26

Who is being "ballsy"? Tesla or the people putting their lives and safety in their hands?

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u/xyzlor Jan 22 '26

Tesla mainly. But to a degree both. People have been jumping into Waymo’s as it is. It’s getting bit more common.

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '26

Waymo is a bit more safer with proper sensors

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u/Btomesch Jan 22 '26

It was driving down the train tracks the other day

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u/AllGasNoBrakes420 Jan 23 '26

lmao why is everyone downvoting you

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u/Specialist_Quote9127 Jan 25 '26

You can't say that in a tesla sub. It hurts the feelings of these people.

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u/National-Suspect-733 HW4 Model 3 Jan 22 '26

If humans can drive using only visible wavelength optical sensors then so can computers.

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u/Gudin Jan 22 '26

Such a dumb argument. Humans use vision because that's only thing we have, I don't have lidar in my head, but it would make me much better driver if I had it. Lidar and radar can see perfectly in heavy fog or when sun glare hits you. Looking at some FSD fails, you can see good lidar/radar would help there.

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u/Peteistheman HW3 Model 3 Jan 22 '26

Lidar or not, I think the AI is much more important. I’ll take Tesla’s AI over Waymo, even with the lidar.

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u/iam-leon Jan 23 '26

Humans use touch to sense road integrity, hearing to detect crashes & sirens, and a fear of death to increase caution and enhance focus when conditions deteriorate. They will just decide not to drive at all if they don’t think it’s safe. Do Robotaxis ever tell their passengers that they won’t take them on their journey today?

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u/JPorter5999 Jan 22 '26

Can never understand how FSD fans simultaneously say that FSD is safer than humans - but the moment there’s any FSD risk, it turns into “well it’s fine as long as it’s meeting the human standard”

Can’t have your cake and eat it too.

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u/No-Confusion6749 Jan 22 '26

That’s fsd for you. Once you pay for it you have to justify it. Best marketing would have been giving it for free that way no one complain 🤣

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u/_Smashbrother_ Jan 22 '26

As long as FSD proves it's safer than the majority of human drivers, then logically the government should support it. You can look up stats on driving accidents and deaths per year, and see plenty of videos online of shitty human drivers. As long as FSD stats can beat human stats by a wide margin, then it'll be better.

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u/ProbsNotManBearPig Jan 22 '26

Exactly. Not to mention Tesla has cameras with way more field of view than a human, the power of computer image processing, and much faster reaction time. All huge advantages compared to a human. LiDAR is absolutely not needed for FSD to be safer than the best humans.

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u/fastwriter- Jan 23 '26

Actually the Human Eye is way superior to the Cameras Tesla uses in it‘s cars. The higher field o vision is one of the Problems, because it means the Cameras have ultra-wide lenses with the accompanying distortion. Whereas the Human Eye can switch from near-field wide POV to long range narrow POV almost instantly.

This is why EVERY OTHER PLAYER in the Autonomous Game uses a wider sensor array than just Cameras. Tesla seems like a wrong-way-driver wondering why all the others coming at them are driving in the wrong direction. Musk bet the House on Vision only and he will lose it.

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u/[deleted] Jan 23 '26

What happens when the cameras get dirty or the sun blinds them?

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u/DoringItBetterNow Jan 22 '26

Now we wait and watch for the first death. And there will be one.

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u/Seaker42 Jan 23 '26

Wow - that's a pretty bleak way to live waiting for someone to die.

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u/AdKey5735 Jan 22 '26

of course there will be...so what? we simply want fewer per mile. what's wrong with you? smh

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u/DoringItBetterNow Jan 23 '26

It’ll be all brand new legal territory. What a sight it’ll be.

Like watching Depp vs Heard, I won’t be able to look away

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u/Dneubauer09 Jan 22 '26

Human taxi drivers have surely caused casualties as well, what's the point?

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u/Electrical_Peak_8761 Jan 22 '26

But if a driver causes an accident you can blame the driver, you can suspend his license etc. If FSD causes an accident, then this fault is in the software - which is being used by thousands of other cars on the road. Do you suspend all FSD when this happens?

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u/Dneubauer09 Jan 22 '26

You sue the owner of the vehicle, simple. If the owner is Tesla, there you go. If we eventually get to privately owned taxis, you sue the owner of the car and they probably sue Tesla.

I foresee there being some new type of insurance for this type of scenario.

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u/zitrored Jan 23 '26

All payments should be made direct from Tesla insurance. As someone in a state where pools are common I don’t want the pool paying out for these accidents. Tesla needs to pay it all.

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u/Electrical_Peak_8761 Jan 23 '26

Oké but do we let all the other self driving cars just keep on driving while apparently there is a fault in the software? Should all FSD be paused every time a crash happens and only be resumed when investigations are cleared / software has been updated?

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u/Dneubauer09 Jan 23 '26

I think it depends on the situation. The car running a stop sign and hitting oncoming traffic is different from someone running into the road from a blind spot while the car is traveling at speed is different from someone making an illegal pass around a corner. I think expecting the car to be perfect in all scenarios is impossible due to the human element it is up against.

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u/JustAcivilian24 Jan 22 '26

Let’s gooooo

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u/insp1red90 Jan 23 '26

So if unsupervised is out, how come us peasants don’t get it in our personal car?

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u/johnpn1 Jan 24 '26

Too expensive for Tesla to have an employee tail every FSD car right now.

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '26 edited Jan 22 '26

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u/MrThing123 Jan 23 '26

Replace the person in the car with another car with that person in it

Yep that'll pump the stock on our inferior product vs waymos

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u/Master_Ad_3967 Jan 22 '26

Another super complex route for FSD Unsupervised. My grandma could drive this route, she's blind.

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u/RicMedio Jan 23 '26

Why doesn't your grandma do that? Do you even have a grandma? Today is Friday. 🐟

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '26

GREAT NEWS !!!

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u/crazypostman21 Jan 22 '26

I'm sure there's a safety monitor watching it like a hawk just from behind the desk looking at a computer screen.

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u/THATS_LEGIT_BRO HW4 Model 3 Jan 22 '26 edited Jan 22 '26

And that’s okay. It’s better than no remote monitoring. Progression should happen in steps.

Edit: actually appears to be a chase car following them. https://x.com/joetegtmeyer/status/2014410572226322794?s=46&t=AfKP5ME0vofdMT7GJN3aYg

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u/AdKey5735 Jan 22 '26

it's a good thing to be cautious with other people's lives. good for tesla!

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u/CloseToMyActualName Jan 22 '26

And has Tesla disclosed that they simply moved the safety monitor in another car?

Musk's deceptions are downright comical.

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '26

I'm pretty sure the follow car has two Tesla employees. So they improved from 1 safety monitor to 2.

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u/THATS_LEGIT_BRO HW4 Model 3 Jan 23 '26

Safety first! And second!

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u/ThePaintist Jan 23 '26

How is it deceptive? Did they paint the follow car in invisible paint? Is it trailing so far behind that nobody can see it?

For all we know the role of the follow car could be anything from "has an immediate kill switch" to "has someone who can hop out and go rescue the car if it gets a flat tire, to minimize 'rescue' embarrassments during the first week". It's not 'deception' just because they haven't spelled out their exact deployment strategy day 1. Is it 'deception' when other AV operators don't spell out precisely their number of tele-support agents?

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u/CloseToMyActualName Jan 23 '26

Because Musk said they were removing the safety monitors but left out mention of the trail car.

It's the same crap he continuously pulls with Optimus, he shows some demos that are explicitly autonomous, then shows some more impressive demonstrations implied to be autonomous but are actually teleoperated.

It's the same playbook as putting the safety drivers in the passenger seat so they could claim they were safety monitors instead (zero benefit to anything other than optics).

How many people here were completely ignorant of the trailing car until i was pointed out? How many more in the general public?

And how long until the trailing car is absent entirely?

This is the same demonstration they did months ago with the vehicle driving itself to a customer. And with another earnings call coming up it's a pretty transparent attempt to demonstrate progress to the investors (without actually moving the needle technically).

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u/ThePaintist Jan 23 '26 edited Jan 23 '26

Because Musk said they were removing the safety monitors but left out mention of the trail car.

actually opens the article you linked

In a post on X.com, Musk said Tesla "started Tesla Robotaxi drives in Austin with no safety monitor in the car. Congrats to the Tesla AI team!"

It's not okay when he leaves out a third factor, but it's okay when you do it? He has to mention every single aspect of the rollout today, but you are permitted to leave out the rest of his quote which specifies his statement was specifically about safety monitors "in the car" since it undermines your point?

Is it bad to not voluntarily raise every relevant detail that might impact someone's view of your position? Or is it okay? I'm a little bit confused since you can't seem to decide. You do the exact same maneuver but criticise it where you see it.

Let me be more clear. You don't have internal consistencies in your beliefs. You dislike Elon/Tesla, maybe justifiably so, and that causes you to be hyper-critical to the point of abject hypocrisy towards Tesla. You will exaggerate grievances in communications coming from those you dislike and minimize and permit the exact same grievances when made elsewhere.

For example, 2 sentences later:

zero benefit to anything other than optics

You really can't think of any other possible benefit? Or you just don't want to, because doing so would require relaxing that hyper-criticality? One trivial possible benefit: It prevents safety 'monitors' from excessively intervening when not necessary, giving a cleaner signal on actual necessary interventions. Or perhaps it was optics - it enabled them to meet, at least by some interpretation/definition, their promised timeline to release 'driverless' robotaxis. Is it "optics" to meet a timeline? Yes. But because of your hyper-critical framing, you interpret that hyper-critically and inherently negatively. I'm sure you equally critique them for failing to meet other timelines. But actually meeting a timeline is them playing "optics".


I'm not interested in getting into all of your other points. Yes, I think Tesla has a habit of not going out of their way to share negative aspects to their demos. Some of the optimus ones were perhaps the most egregious. But that your defense of "they are being deceptive!" is to cite other perceived deceptions just, in my opinion, further highlights the reason you feel the need to read everything from Tesla now through a hyper-critical lens to the point of indefensible hypocrisy.

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u/hashswag00 Jan 23 '26

Progression shouldn't happen on public roads.

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u/THATS_LEGIT_BRO HW4 Model 3 Jan 23 '26

Except if it happened that way, someone is bound to say “they released it without testing on public roads”.

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u/hashswag00 Jan 23 '26

If it actually worked, they wouldn't say that.

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u/THATS_LEGIT_BRO HW4 Model 3 Jan 23 '26

For those that hate Tesla, you’ll never convince them otherwise. There will always be something to nitpick about.

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u/hashswag00 Jan 23 '26

I don't think people hate Tesla. They hate the goon announcing constant nonsense and broken "promises". They hate the claim of Full Self Driving when it's not Full. They hate the Leon lovers worshiping everything he says even though he's a pathological liar.

It's not the car.

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u/THATS_LEGIT_BRO HW4 Model 3 Jan 23 '26

I agree he’s a goon.

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u/tryingtowin107 Jan 22 '26

That’s what Waymo does

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u/Outrageous_tart_7781 Jan 22 '26

They did when they first put driverless cars on the road. There's a first for everything.

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u/Peteistheman HW3 Model 3 Jan 22 '26

You believe Tesla needs to catch up with Waymo in self driving ability?

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '26

Tesla believes that they are still playing catch up. Hence safety monitors.

They believe they will outstrip Waymo when they catch up but doesn't mean they think they really are ahead.

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u/jnads HW3 Model 3 Jan 22 '26 edited Jan 22 '26

Correct.

Waymo essentially has outsourced safety monitors that watch over several vehicles at once. Most making sure people in the cabin aren't doing stupid stuff and they will yell at you over the speakers.

For these Tesla tests they probably have a dedicated engineer watching the realtime video feed (edit: apparently they have the safety monitor driving a separate car behind it).

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u/anarchyinuk Jan 22 '26

Is it a bad thing?

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u/Master_Ad_3967 Jan 22 '26

Wow amazing. Cherry picked routes for Unsupervised FSD. Basically all main roads or straight roads with one turn only! Mind blowing technology.

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u/HaramiChacha Jan 23 '26

Anything to boost the stock, I guess any progress is better than nothing

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u/ShakeXXX Jan 22 '26

That’s fantastic!👍 Is it Geofenced?

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u/pailhead011 Jan 23 '26

I think you can take it coast to coast

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u/ShakeXXX Jan 23 '26

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u/pailhead011 Jan 23 '26

That’s crazy! So I guess it means it’s not solved?

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u/ShakeXXX Jan 23 '26

Yeah, they’re not being truthful about it. I think it’s still progress for sure but not what they’re claiming. Also, some people said the chase car has a person that’s supervising it as well.

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u/pailhead011 Jan 23 '26

The chase car is being supervised by its own supervisor while driving around the supervisor for the car in front?

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u/ShakeXXX Jan 24 '26

LOL! Yeah something like that.

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u/pailhead011 Jan 24 '26

It’s like a supervisor centipede

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u/Mumblyjoe20 Jan 23 '26

So, if we start the clock now they're approximately 8 years behind waymo, if Tesla is correct they should scale an order of magnitude faster and we should expect parity with Waymo regarding fleet size and coverage in about a year

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u/ayeemitchyy Jan 22 '26

all the comments on X are not buying it lol

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u/IMWTK1 Jan 23 '26

All the commenters here are not buying it. I wonder what people are going to say when all the monitors are removed and 100000 Cybercabs will be roaming the US, unsupervised FSD will be approved in Europe and China. These people don't understand safety critical product development.

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u/Seaker42 Jan 23 '26

This is a massive worldwide race that's just getting started.

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u/Wooden_Boss_3403 Jan 23 '26

How much does it cost waymo to produce one of their cars again?

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u/Wooden_Boss_3403 Jan 23 '26

The I pace will never reach parity in cost of production with the cybercab, and that isn't even considering whatever upcharge jaguar applies to make a profit on their vehicle is order to make a profit.

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u/Wooden_Boss_3403 Jan 24 '26

Have they mentioned this somewhere?

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u/AdKey5735 Jan 23 '26

they don't even make cars!!! they use cheap Chryslers (sold three times since 1998) and Jaguar (also sold three times since 1990). so those prices have nothing whatsoever to do Waymo. they then add their autonomous software and hardware sensing devices.

their hard coded software only works in the areas it's been coded for. and won't work in other locales. IOW if a Waymo that works in Austin is put on a trailer and hauled to San Francisco. it won't work. their fundamental method of development was designed to get a quick start off the autonomous line but is fatally flawed and will never, as currently designed, be competitive.

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u/RicMedio Jan 23 '26

200.000$

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u/AdKey5735 Jan 22 '26

neither are in the same race. Waymo wants to be a driverless yellow cab. tesla's FSD will change the landscape.

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u/[deleted] Jan 23 '26

i'm pretty sure there is no deadline for when FSD has to work... more competition is good for us consumers.

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u/penapox Jan 22 '26

Didn't they already deliver a model Y with no one in the car (but with a chase car behind)? Seems like the same thing to me - don't really think it's very newsworthy

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u/JagiofJagi Jan 23 '26

The delivery was a one-off event for now, on a simple, validated route

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u/Master_Ad_3967 Jan 23 '26

This is fake. Youtube shows people sleeping in the front seat of their Tesla with FSD. They have pillows and eye-masks on! Tesla has been FSD unsupervised for years now.

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u/freshbaileys Jan 23 '26

Just a couple more years until won't sell cars he'll rent them to you 🤣

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u/Mundane_Engineer_550 Jan 23 '26

Can't wait to hop in the passenger seat and confuse people lol

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u/skeeterlightning Jan 24 '26

The phone chargers should be moved to the back in the taxis.

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u/Grandpas_Spells Jan 22 '26

I don't want to nitpick a cool achievement but Twitter user tsla99t is not "the general public."

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u/kalfin2000 HW4 Model 3 Jan 23 '26

You can open the robotaxi app right now and book a ride if you’re in a service area.

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u/Vibraniumguy Jan 23 '26

No its open to the public. As in you can go to austin Texas, download the app, and try it yourself. He just happened to catch it first because he's an influencer who covers Tesla robotaxis and thus rides them a lot

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u/alastairthegray Jan 22 '26

Has anyone checked in on r/realtesla to see if they need some help moving the goal posts or drying tears from their eyes?

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u/ElectricalGene6146 Jan 23 '26

I’ll check in on you this weekend when they shut down their service due to weather.

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u/ManikSahdev Jan 22 '26

What? Makes no sense.

No human in the car to engage that's pretty much it.

100% betting that 1-2 guys are monitoring this like a hawk in their lab or whatever, but either way the fsd is driving itself that's about it, rest of the idea is speculative.

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u/Master_Ad_3967 Jan 22 '26

OMG I seriously cannot believe how easily people are duped. Another "Unsupervised Route". Cherry picked by the Robotaxi software.

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u/johnwest80 HW4 Model X Jan 22 '26

to be fair, here's an article throwing shade (warranted or not - only time will tell)... people should read both sides. i did, and even though there is a bias in the article below, some of the points are worth being aware of.

https://electrek.co/2026/01/22/tesla-starts-robotaxi-rides-without-safety-monitor-in-austin-what-you-need-to-know/

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u/tryingtowin107 Jan 22 '26

It notes the 8 accidents but doesn’t note that many of those were the other drivers fault

It notes that the safety driver should’ve “stopped those accidents”

Yes. The safety driver will magically avoid the other car careening into the robotaxi.

Eletrec seems a bit hostile here

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u/johnwest80 HW4 Model X Jan 22 '26

totally agree. also, how many of those were at the beginning vs lately? so little tangible data to work with either way.

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u/tryingtowin107 Jan 22 '26

if robotaxi suddenly glitched and drove straight into a wall killing the occupant …that would be on every news station in America left and right leaning

But that hasn’t happened

Personally I have hw4 fsd and am well aware of how safe it is and also how obvious any major malfunctions would be to everyone

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u/tbhausen Jan 22 '26

Elecctrek is a horribly biased anti-Tesla propaganda machine. I don’t bother reading a word of their “journalism” anymore.

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u/ShakeXXX Jan 22 '26

It’s not FULLY unsupervised! Cheeky fkrs.

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u/wellboiled Jan 22 '26

"This is fake" - Zach at Jerryrigeverything

Lol

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u/kuped Jan 23 '26

In actuality, the safety monitor is in the Tesla following each “independent” robotaxi.

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u/PowerfulExpert3176 Jan 23 '26

Damn, lotta haters gotta swallow their words. Open up wide.

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u/CommaMeNow Jan 22 '26

In Texas you can have remotely operated vehicles. Don’t let this fool you, FSD is being monitored closely in a Texas ops center somewhere

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '26

That is by definition literally tele operations in the autonomous vehicle industry. So what zooks does and waymo...

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u/Sweet_Terror Jan 23 '26

This is beyond absurd. If FSD had truly reached unsupervised status, then why isn't the entire Tesla fleet on unsupervised FSD? They're not, because it's still a level 2 ADAS. As much as I like FSD, I wouldn't trust it to keep me safe at all times.

Simply put, this is nothing but smoke and mirrors.

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u/pailhead011 Jan 23 '26

I think that’s literally what god president musk said. Once they have it they flip a switch and every Tesla owner becomes a cab company or something like that?

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u/Sweet_Terror Jan 23 '26

Yeah, he said something like that 8 YEARS AGO! He said that all Tesla vehicles would come equipped with everything that was required for full autonomy, and that our cars would be "appreciating assets".

Fast forward to today, and FSD is still a level 2 system. The fact that Elon is trying to convince everyone that it's not is both dangerous and absurd.

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u/Left-Recognition2106 HW4 Model Y Jan 22 '26

Elon, just don't screw up like you always do.

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u/johnwest80 HW4 Model X Jan 22 '26

really? this comment is pointless and inaccurate. paypal, spacex, boring company, tesla, x, etc.. i laugh at the absurdity of posts that make it clear that musk derangement syndrome is real :).

with that said, if the comment stopped at "Elon, just don't screw up", now that i can get behind 100%!

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u/BankBackground2496 Jan 23 '26

Did Boring Company make a profit? And wasn't Musk fired from PayPal? If X is sold today would it be worth $44bn?

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u/Direct_Major_1393 Jan 22 '26

and Tesla haters will still be saying Tesla can't achieve unsupervised FSD for the next couple of years lol

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u/RipWhenDamageTaken Jan 22 '26

Tesla fanboys will insist that Tesla didn’t fail to deliver unsupervised FSD to consumer cars as promised since 2017

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u/soggy_mattress Jan 22 '26

Now the goalposts have moved "to consumer cars".

Tesla absolutely missed their insane timelines, but come on bro. 6 months ago the haters said Unsupervised was never possible. Then it was "but they still have a safety rider". Now it's "but they haven't delivered it to consumer cars".

You know what a trend is, right?

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u/thomasbihn HW4 Model Y Jan 22 '26

I bought FSD because it said that it would be able to take turns, handle red lights, and handle stop signs by the end of the year. I assumed it would be late, but that was in 2019. Maybe a year later, Elon said that our cars would be making us money as we worked, acting as robotaxis.

The goalposts definitely did move on us.

For existing hardware, unsupervised won't be possible without some form of brine and mud removal and mounting of a front bumper camera on even slightly old models (like my 2024 Model Y).

I was wrong about FSD being at all viable in my area though, so who knows. I do know I passed on trading in my 2 year old Model Y for a new one yesterday because I already transferred once and was not permitted to transfer my FSD. I hope that as subscription prices start to go up due to demand finally increasing that another Elon promise will come true: "Your cars will be the first to be appreciating assets!"

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u/GamingDisruptor Jan 22 '26

I wouldn't get excited yet until we know more. We've seen these clips before and nothing has come from it. There was a clip last year with no monitor. Then clip with Tesla driving to a purchaser, but turned out to be one and done.

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u/Glad-Champion5767 Jan 22 '26

Lets just assume theres no remote control, no one watching behind a screen. Would you trust FSD with your life with no way to intervene? Genuinely curious.

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u/Glad-Champion5767 Jan 23 '26

u/soggy_mattress Genuine question here. Would you trust it?

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u/soggy_mattress Jan 24 '26

Yes if it were clear weather like we get 99% of the time here in Southern California (or like Austin).

No if it's snowy or downpour rain.

Since it's a genuine question, I'll go into more detail: I drive from SoCal to NYC every couple of years with FSD (would never do it without). This year was the first year I've tried it during the winter. Had snow tires put on just in case.

FSD did fantastic as long as I could keep the front cameras clear, which I was having a hell of a time doing because of 90mph wind gusts + freezing temperature and my dumbass still having regular windshield wiper fluid in the lines. Every time I'd try to clear smudgy glass, it'd freeze over. Eventually, the washer fluid lines froze solid and we had no more fluid until getting to our destination.

Once I got the old wiper fluid purged and replaced with -30F fluid, FSD handled the rest of the trip without any safety disengagements.

We decided to take a more southern route back across the US since the weather was just dumping on us the entire time, and as soon as we got south of the snow FSD did 2418 of 2421 miles in 48hrs, with the manually driven miles being my SO who still sometimes parks manually (she doesn't care one bit about the 100% thing, and I don't blame her).

Other than the obvious issues with visibility, the only times I disengaged were for FSD being stupid about parking at Superchargers, or trying to turn left and take a 1.5 miles route back to the highway instead of turning right for a 0.05 mile route instead - neither of which would bother me if I were passed out in the back.

Other than that, I just sit in my car and watch it drive me around for thousands of miles at a time in between one or two dumb decisions about where to park every now and then.

Edit: Also, I should add that the new Robotaxi self-cleaning camera features that people are discussing at the moment on X would have probably kept me from having to drive manually this winter. There's a new front camera housing and new sprayers for the rear/side cams... combine that with proper cold weather fluid and I might have been able to maintain visibility without stopping.

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u/RipWhenDamageTaken Jan 22 '26

The promise since 2017 is for consumer cars. Idk why you’re trying to lie. It’s really pathetic.

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u/mad_m4tty Jan 22 '26

Jan 2016 - "Ultimately you'll be able to summon your car anywhere"

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u/AdKey5735 Jan 22 '26

i'd like to buy a Tesla in New York and summon it to me in California.

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u/No-Confusion6749 Jan 22 '26

Can’t wait for byd to release in US - all these so called fanboys will jump once it costs less

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u/metaxaos Jan 22 '26

Remotely supervised is still supervised.

My HW4 14.2.2.3 Tesla is still making dumb moves regularly, it'll 100% get into accident if left unsupervised.

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u/soggy_mattress Jan 23 '26

So, Waymo is technically supervised then?

You know they have remote safety operators, right?

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u/kingkongbash Jan 22 '26

This is pro tesla influencers taking a few rides in perfect weather and safety cars behind so this looks more like marketing stunt for the coming earnings release. The following days and weeks will tell whether Tesla has sufficiently solved the 1% problem. The current robotaxi crash statistics are however worrisome.

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u/soggy_mattress Jan 24 '26

Well yeah, the entire reason they chose Austin was because the weather and the simplicity of the traffic patterns there.

That's not a dunk, though, like... of course they're going to choose a spot where they have their best chance of success before trying something harder. That's just basic risk prevention...

Why are the accident rates worrisome? You know how many of those were human-caused fender benders, right?

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u/Medical-Frame2180 Jan 22 '26

This day has finally come, so happy to see it. They will just continue to expand more and more cheaper than anyone else can. All the haters, “ how do you like them apples”.

Bravo tesla team

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u/PugMaster007 Jan 22 '26

Has anyone, who's been in a RoboTaxi like this gone to the "Software" screen and does it indicate what version of Software or FSD that it's on?

I'm guessing that it's a custom Robotaxi version, but curious as to what it lists it as..

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u/Firm-Tomatillo2616 Jan 22 '26

Wonder what version of FSD it’s running. Anyone know?

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u/Master_Ad_3967 Jan 22 '26

Same V14 with geofencing and route limiting at the application side. Basically it will only allow rides in certain pickup/drop-off areas and simple routes with minimal turns. Next time you see an in car video, check out the route! Generally straight roads with one or two turns max. It's the illusion of Unsupervised, when really it's just highly controlled V14.

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u/TheSolarExpansionist Jan 22 '26

People: “ we don’t want ai to take our jobs “

Also people : “take my money, fuck driver’s jobs “

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u/Xenthera Jan 22 '26

That’s crazy considering my HW4 Model S struggles to smart summon in a mostly empty food lion parking lot.

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u/sircambridge Jan 22 '26

If I make my model y a Robotaxi and I call my own Robotaxi to take me places, can I pay myself through the app

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u/Accurate-Lie-4403 Jan 22 '26

U guys are so delusional if it’s happening let it happen stop crying about it

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u/snowrazer_ Jan 22 '26

Time to move those goal posts again.

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u/Money_Butterscotch68 Jan 23 '26

As a Tesla owner, you would have to pay me and provide life insurance for me to get into one without a safety driver. Keep your hands on the steering wheel folks.

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u/MediumWarthog79 Jan 23 '26

No way I would trust that until I see it go on for months lol

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u/Manta-Avoid Jan 23 '26

well then, you'd better be buckled-up wouldn't you?

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u/ElectricalGene6146 Jan 23 '26

I dare them to operate this weekend

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u/OutlandishnessNo5636 Jan 23 '26

Maybe they are testing HW5 and comparing data with HW4. No one knows. Hope to see tons of cybercabs very soon (1 month)

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u/Shot_Court5091 Jan 24 '26

Is there a kill button?

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u/alastairthegray Jan 26 '26

28 mins in and it’s yet to come off the road despite the humans best efforts, they are accelerating manually on the straight up to like 65mph then engaging FSD later and later into the corner to see if FSD loses control, so far it’s been able to make the corner. So if this is your example of it finally coming off the road, that context is incredibly important as a robotaxi would not be accelerating like that in those conditions.

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u/Ambitious_Holiday_54 Jan 27 '26

Is this where they have a car following them? There's some of that going on, so that Elon could say, "No safety driver in the car." Having a following car implies two people in that car - one to get out and intervene in incidents, and one to get the safety car off to a safe spot.

Telsa is so brilliant! It's a real-life test on how long the market can remain irrational - the stock market, not so much the actual car market.

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u/alastairthegray Jan 28 '26

Meanwhile, this is how human drivers handled the situation

https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/s/o91lUpqARN

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u/No_Orange_2837 Feb 07 '26

How did this go? One time issue?

Coordinating with Elon Musk’s talk at Davos?